troll my own financial destiny is just a new way of coming to consensus is a game changer in the human history of. columbus discovering a new world this paradigm shifting technology that transforms economics and finance in a heartbeat the apollo eleven landing on to the room with max and stacy. hello and welcome to crossfire all things considered i'm peter lavelle to force machine change in iran the trumpeting ministration risks up ending global oil markets also if you want to russian passport being a citizen of ukraine could help. liking

some real news i'm joined by my guest here in moscow dmitri she's a political analyst of international and in london we crossed alan's enemy cures he is a writer on legal affairs as well as the editor in chief of the duran dot com and when cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let me go to alexander in london well the gambit is about to begin the waivers are being dropped may second these gambit goes into play it seems to me a number of things are in play here it's the americanization of the global trade system specifically and in the in the petroleum markets here and it is very there's a lot of consequences here and essentially united states is saying we're going to suspend with free trade and you will trade whom with whom we wish or who we do not wish it is a gambit is very very dangerous and what. happens if it doesn't work go ahead

alexander well a lot of good points peter because i agree i mean first of all the united states is basically saying to all the countries of the world this is who you can buy oil from this is who you cannot buy oil from when you were in force of use of porn you which may not be your views by using the position that the dominant position we have through the reserve currency status of the dollar you will risk fines for your companies if you don't obey what we say and in effect the united states is trying to impose an economic blockade on the run by stopping its oil exports and it isn't forcing it on all other countries and it is doing stir outside the provisions of the u.n. charter and outside the powers of the u.n.

security council which under chapter seven of the united nations charter is the body which is also rights to impose sanctions and economic is on is it an essential way a declaration of war is this a so i'm going to. say it comes very close to being that our i don't think we're in a situation of armed conflict but of course we can easily see how it could develop into this because we're since the united states is imposing on iran what is essentially an economic blockade if these economic instruments these financial instruments it is using don't succeed one can easily see how it can start to do what the british used to do in the nineteenth century which is actually used force to try to enforce that block paid on third countries and on iran itself and that could very easily escalate. into armed conflict so i think we're not quite there

yet but i come back to what is it chapter seven of the united nations charter group . the security council will power to enforce blockades it is part of the power of the un security council has which includes the power to wage armed action so this you want to think comes very close to the kind of armed action that is in be each in the un charter there are good they were quite there yet but the distance is very small let me go to you obviously countries like china or are most likely going to ignore this a great deal of iranian oil is purchased by the chinese this is a huge i mean smaller countries you know if we really are getting back to the nineteenth century of you're a small country you're going to have to do what the the hedge amman's of the world demand but china is a peer of the united states and this type of policy you would certainly undermine

the chinese economy and we have we don't we shouldn't forget global oil prices are a war most likely go up it's a fool's errand to believe the saudis and this is what the trump administration believes that they will be able to pick up the slack that's unlikely well it's not the only the big country of. the european union who are against this pressure bob also a country like turkey turkey you know ian yeah this is a lead in turkish newspaper we had an article just two days ago which basically said since we are forced to have basically forced to. trade with iran let's remember that not only turkey about also some of the very important u.s. allies such as by wine such as south korea such as japan they're all full force don't forget iraq exactly and the newspaper says that at some moment this main malfunction big. was this is what you do to your elyse instead of making

them richer and guaranteeing your they are security you are making them poor and you have basically been making them less secure and the response from the wrong response from here on is that they signaled that they will not come back to the nuclear deal even if another democratic administration comes to power and they like the expression by a foreign minister mr zarif he said that i'm quoting we have b. team actively acting against us benjamin netanyahu or saudi crown prince mohamed bin solomon and the united arab emirates crown prince mohammed bin zayed well bin solomon so i think it's a b. team or b s characters make in a b. movie without plan b. that's my descriptor that was but i think that's perfect that we have that i'm going to go right at that to put that in my refrigerator and i'll let me go back to london here it seems to me when truly going to happen alexander isn't there you're just going to have

a huge black market of oil and the prices are going to be very high and the rain ians. have been experiencing these type of sanctions for a long time they've survived it and people will actually rally around their leaders and this is going to be a big flop what i worry about is that when it is a big flop what the us will do then because they are determined determined to have force regime change in around and they don't have the tools to do it and what they're going to do is probably blow up the oil markets in the process and you know what it's a lose lose lose lose lose for everybody go ahead alexander well i agree i mean where they reach dumont as the rescreen raining or it will there will be supply because the goose as you correctly say although prices will be ronnie's and that he's going to incent to go it's all cool to find ways of sending back to all you because they're going to be profits and they're. all sorts of people around the

world it's been quite clear about this who are prepared to accept those sorts of risks and as you correctly say smuggling is going to grow and of course if you are committing yourself to a policy or regime change and publicly and. even in. publicly and as determinately as the united states is doing how do you back off example losing face the risk is that if one strategy doesn't escalate you're going to escalate succeed you're going to escalate on another and that is the slippery slope that the united states is now on it's made a massive commitment to regime change in iran it's as you correctly say destabilizing the oil markets if that policy doesn't succeed even starts creating heavy economic

costs for the united states it is very easy to see how the united states could start expanding this strategy by doing all sorts of things like perhaps attacking iranian oil installations or doing other dangerous things well you know it is crimes but alexander. also has a tools in its tool kit. and the streets of power movies i think you know what i'm getting at here if it if iran is going to suffer so tremendously and it might around could turn around and others will suffer too i don't think that's it once a do that it's the last resort but it's certainly possible absolutely this is why we originally had the j.c. p.l.m. because there was an assessment not just by the united states and the bomber ministration but by the world powers that there was a balance of force if you like in this in this area and in that situation. and you

need to compromise and compromise once the j.c. pleo away if you throw out that compromise and disregard the balance of course you see all sorts of dangers that flow from the in negligible escalation already with consequence is that this on the oil market this policy is persisted with and escalate further greater and greater dangers were the rice you know you were talking we just heard from alexander escalation here how our lives are being held hostage here and their companies are being held hostage as well. what does this do to global trade in general mean the united states and i think donald trump is right to want new trade deals i think a lot of them were bad but they were done for geo political reasons and now they're there is more financial reasons here but you know that the united states and china

are in the midst of very important trade talks in now there's a possibility that during these trade talks the united states are going to start sanctioning chinese company and i mean that's kind of i thought i would say the patience of the cheney is the leadership is awesome because they keep suggesting solutions they've given just in compromisers facing almost direct pressure from the united states like mr trump almost made it to isolate chairman of wrong from the international economy but we're talking about huge figures here because iran right now is exporting two point three million barrels a day and if the sanctions are introduced and they're respected by the countries that we've mentioned this will go down to a van million. barrels a day they had sixty which described and we have we don't think we should remember also the shenanigans being played by the united states again spend as wayland examine his way when oil into. i mean you do the simultaneously really and the

point is that what does the united states want from from iraq they say openly regime change but also abandoning iran three gentle allies what does it mean it means that iran would allow al qaeda to operate freely in syria on its border no way iran is going to allow their paid i want to be your be analysis about this because the law of unintended consequences is definitely in play here are you gentlemen i want to say goodbye to alexander me curious in london thank you alex for joining us we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real new stage with r.t. .

my seven years doing drugs my nephews was still in drugs my sister just with doing drugs it was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse started going after the users in the prison population sewer we started treating sick people people who are addicted to these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill. then the war on drugs. there are countless numbers. in prison for. sins for minor minor offenders in the drug trade it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in waves and say by daddy as you're walking out of this it's just it doesn't get easier. what politicians do. put themselves on a low. they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president i'm sure.

some want to be rich. but you going to be cross posted like that before three in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters about how much. more suitable. this is a pretty this sort of scenario it's just first right it. would be someone who would believe that it was my job to the. moon is its ability. to get rid of that all you want to go to the banana that is a liberal still it was bad. enough well it was pretty good way to lose a. little bit of what used to do which could go along with the done long ago but i know many. here do you. use your money

you know did you storm the lead here so my looked up from mood subversion i did in the clue which are coconspirators some are going to be. welcome back across the uk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. ok now we're joined by john laughlin in france he is a lecturer in political philosophy at isis the catholic university of vendee john welcome welcome to our program today. we do speed. to my producers you said you

wanted to paint a broad canvas of what's going on in the country known as ukraine we this have presidential elections where we have a comedian a political unknown about to be inaugurated and since then. we get a mixed signals from this zelinsky character during the campaign he used russian and ukrainian which was obviously. a move towards some kind of reconciliation and then after being elected he seems to echo more of what puerto shanker was saying and then i hear he wants to meet with putin but merkel and mccrone have to be there i guess as some kind of chaperon i don't know john give us a broad picture of what's going on in ukraine. well you know peter i think that this is an occasion not for political commentary but instead for literary criticism that. there is a strong tradition in the twentieth century and incidentally a tradition that's in many ways linked to ukraine of surrealism and satire in

literature some of the greatest writers in russia like mccardell dark of nikolai gogol have described fantastical scenarios in which reality and fiction blend into one another and in which you don't know which is which and very often this satire is used in a political context it's particular case of course with goggle who knows famous stories the inspector all the knows are about satirizing political authority and this is a an old russian tradition this mingling of fiction and reality and politics it goes back if you like to the famous potemkin villages built in crimea to deceive catherine the great and it goes all the way through to soviet jokes doesn't it you know the satires that satirical jokes that people used to tell in the later soviet period to make fun of their power this ukrainian election is an example of that you

know people say we live in a post-modern area era when there's no difference between truth and reality. and it's certainly true that lots of people are brought up on reality t.v. where real life situations are presented for entertainment on the television what we have here is satire becoming reality and the victory of a comedian who rose to fame prevent presenting a political satire in which an ordinary man becomes president almost like by accident a bit like chancy gardner exactly being there. actually shows in my view amazing maturity on behalf of the ukrainian electorate because what they are saying is politics or at least ukrainian politics is a joke and we're now in the position in ukraine rather like the scene in x. for in king in shakespeare's king lear where the full speaks truth yes while political

power has gone mad ok so that. i have nothing else to say to you apart from these rather philosophical reflections because. this is this goes beyond the u.s. government just like when you described it as an artist so you can put the motif i appreciate that demon let me go to you one of the things that i think is very interesting is that when we were flecked upon the failures of the pushing coal regime is that the political elites and i think is a mask for deep deep corruption because i think that would zone if he had any kind of political messages and you know it's really about corruption i would argue is that he's not much different from polish and he just wants less stealing ok however the paradigm that they're in reflecting on the what john just said is that they're pursuing a. binary that does not exist i mean they are pursuing nationalism but they have no nation and it's one of the reasons why it doesn't work go ahead

well for us i agree with drawing and by the way war and while we. what russia does but they were born in ukraine so if we follow what the current western polish is like there is nothing in common between russia and ukraine they wouldn't be able to believe in russia because they would be korean citizens and you would have to rewrite all the western history of russian literature because then they would be considered ukrainian writers which of course they weren't they were russian writers but you're exactly right about. that of the situation and the western reaction was absurd there was a moment of panic before the second round of action when suddenly all the western newspapers started writing that didn't ski's inexperienced that putin may out to eat him and suddenly they were full of praise for poroshenko let me just call to the new york times rolled in a detroit credit i had a television character for president crazy and answers what they wrote about

poroshenko he crashed his shelf ball issue for us yes thirty thousand people killed and they call and we're going down fifteen percent in two years he's trails polish your favorites but he can take radiate for some credible reforms since he became president in two thousand and fourteen yes five hundred russian writers prohibited one thousand russian actors not able to enter ukraine great reforms huge difference you know ukraine and russia are very much of a candidate in the united states so imagine that you live in canada and you can not listen to frank sinatra because he's pretty but that drone of course was on in russia was the same as frank sinatra in the united states they were often compared to you live in canada and you can't you can't listen to the songs that you i mean you can listen to them on the internet but you can't watch it on television you can't mention it in an article these people are pretty limited but to the election was a complete rebuke of all of that let me go back to joe they said no because they voted

seventy five percent against twenty. and know it's very important no suddenly all of the western newspapers say that you should not meet which involve on ok and we hear from the guardian that western diplomats you know want to again storch into the set but it just little saying that goes on because i want to go to john here john i mean this was a complete failure five year plan failure of regime change in ukraine because it's gotten him nowhere whatsoever and it was quite remarkable where was the tour you knew and when poroshenko needed her in her cookies here i mean this is an abject failure of western policy and they can't even admit it but they never do go ahead john. yeah i mentioned to make sure i mentioned bill got off and go precisely because of course i know that they are both from ukraine i've been to the uk of sousing here you know but to continue with the literary. or the literary way of

answering your question about failure peter. what i think is that again if we look to the theater of the absurd and to surrealistic. how we can find we can begin to wait make our way to the to find an answer one of the most famous examples of surrealist literature is the italian author appear in delos play six characters in search of an author when the soviet union collapsed in one thousand nine hundred one you had fifteen republics in search of a history fifteen republics who had historically been part of russia when i say historically i mean going back many many centuries even in the case of the baltic states and suddenly they found themselves obliged to invent a story for themselves net history yet the word story and history is the same in every other language apart from english the story in russian in german east while in french they had to invent a story for themselves and you know one way and the out one way or the other all of

them managed to do it you may not have agreed with the story you may not have agreed with the baltic states national narrative you may not have agreed with the. invocation of central asian medieval warriors in the central asian republics you may have disagreed with them but all of them managed to come up. with a national narrative which gave their states some kind of reason to exist ukraine failed in the ok john you've got a mini jam i want to talk about one more i want to talk about one marine issue here and then over here let's talk about the lack of justice for a marine we can in the unit here in the united states eighteen months prison nine months already served well as just. because she agreed to cooperate with the investigate us and the west and used. for example bloomberg immediately admitted that she could not be a spy because if you agreed to cooperate with the investigation in your

a spy that means you're a traitor and you are no longer welcome in russia but russia said fine you know let's put it that just get out of there because let me remind our listeners that mario bruton is a twenty nine years old young woman who can paint in the united states i mean she she just means order with people from the national rifle association she is in a party in russia that advocates are the right to bear arms and she was arrested in july last year she was kept in solitary confinement for several months she was promised that she would be deported if she cooperated with their investigation and now she gets nine months more the maximum and the judge. who gave her this sentence is saying your a young woman the hardworking and telent that you have everything in front of you and then you give her nine months you can actually enjoy. the last minute and

a half sen john in front of me this seems to be a verdict of spite because the thing that i find so brands of brands of all that not only is this was. not guilty of anything other than what so many other people do in washington is is to lobby for foreign governments if this is a spiteful outcome your john are your thoughts it absolutely is but forgive me for once again using a mystery allusion we're dealing here with a fantasy it's trying to see that she was a spy trying to see that the trumpet ministration was somehow. couldn't stop it and an example of collective hallucination in which people can no longer distinguish between reality and. while. imaginings and this poor woman is the victim yes that spite but also of collective hallucination and of a narrative that ran out of control and began to take control of reality itself its

theme of the last twenty seconds when there was given her that sentence the judge said it was not just some misunderstanding by a foreign student it was an attack against the united states well we have heard. that there was no could lose it and it still continues you know what's going on you know what it is going to take one's dream and you know what or because mistake was loving america and with loving guns had nothing to do with politics whatsoever and she's put into this meat grinder as what john laughlin said this great loose a nation and that's all the time we have here many thanks to my guest here in moscow london and in france and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time remember cross titles.

they can come and blow our brains out at any given time and we can't really do anything actually america is the only country in the world where you can kill people outside of war and legally get away with. the whole of the fire crawls stillbirth you all the trouble here is briefly all the points it's hollow point to k.k.k. warning system because america wants it to exist the of the biggest terrorist group to ever operate in this country and they're dead to me they're worse also than the people who destroyed the world trade centers for the scroll why. why.

why. the people that are now doing those manufacturing jobs also start end of it because that's where the innovation happens on the factory floor so the factories or been moved to china as you point out that the cio let china end that we moved all of our jobs manufacturing over to china now all the innovations in china so we don't it's not it's not created in california built in china is going to be created in china built in china. or oh i don't. want that product and i couldn't do it and only right. now. nazis go. by that.

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