when me and i pledge to marry soon president drawn has his own security service and probably some kind of secure communication channels promptly believe it just like that i am guessing you used or maybe they were supposed to use special technology and would track the source of the phone call. no no no yes of course he has a security service but mr zillion ski is not the president of ukraine yet so he doesn't have access to the presidential communication lines. he can't use the ukrainian embassy in paris to set up an official phone call with another head of state but again as always so when zelinsky was invited to meet with president mccrone in paris they contacted him through his campaign staff. to come the french could not have contacted the candidate through any official channels for answers but only three people in his campaign. we were able to keep ahead of the

game going to night because they know it doesn't matter it's not the first ukrainian you're praying to you have played pranks on the current president before four times and probably would not have called from his personal cell phone and don't tumble and you know there were several different situations we've tried different kinds of communication with president bush. once he called us thinking that he was calling the president of kyrgyzstan we also used the same plan we used on president mccraw and we left our phone number and when he was in his office surrounded by aides so he made a phone call using a special secure line when you invited he thought that he was calling another secure line not a regular virtual phone number. but i shouldn't call also used a mobile phone we found out about it a year ago when we also called him pretending to be the georgian. leader i think

we also wished him a happy new year but i really it was good them it was a great break we made an audio recording of jens stoltenberg statements he heard his words begin to express his excitement in english while but at the end of the co alexei killed his enthusiasm a little bit yes he sounded very disappointed. well i think maybe we were the only ones who called to wish him a happy new year that criminals now are going back to that conversation with micron i thought he sounded pretty guard that i mean the you managed to draw a couple of a lot of sense i'm interesting admissions from him but by and large he was quite diplomatic do you think he suspected something fishy no i don't think that he expected something from our side i think that he's a from from conservative diplomatic school so he was pretty. polite and he he wanted to just just to congratulate

not talk about anything else but it's we try to press him and ask more and more relations between our countries he wasn't prepare for such a conversation that's why he was a little bit quiet about that and he didn't answer a lot. now look if you like to focus on president poroshenko and bring up he's a legend problem with alcohol i personally don't think it's all that funny because i remember the shame i felt when the drunkard was the leader of our state i'm talking about president yeltsin. yes why do you bring up the subject so much don't you feel sorry for the ukrainians. who tell you who but i'm listen it's their choice we don't interfere with their political life we don't tell them who they should vote for you they chose this man but i shall call personally doesn't

symbolize the whole country of ukraine so any head of state can be made fun of that's part of having democracy and civil society the president's looks or behavior inspire these jokes as well it could be them that were with us you know it's a good shoot good moment good just want to shank all looks funny and we often see this horrible wrinkled suits like he was drinking and then slept in that suit somewhere if you will use it even though we mostly focus on political aspects in our talks and we don't discuss subjects that are of no interest to us. to kill an interest and i'm sure much that i am still praying sisters therefore we tried to do something funny play a joke to us is this odd man and bottles of alcohol in his pocket are part of his image. of us become the just because they are poor kind of man that but to us today it's why we always use this joke. the funny thing is is that when we told mr

mccrone this joke. because i wish to die on the dew used. to be from bombs going on i hope i will drink champagne but hopefully i will not get as drunk as but i shan't go usually does he laughed hardly yells at the door because alicia it seems like europe knows that the president of ukraine lie. just mentioned the big laugh that the year ger out of prison the crown ad the mansion of passion as drinking habits but the french president was also. i think he made the quite unflattering comments about russia and the russian leader president putin here joked about him having locked up all his political presidency that prime sounded perhaps more compromising of putting than of how do you feel about it we don't care about his answer he said what he ford's in fact so he for that yes he for.

russia is not democratic. country it's his opinion but what is more. important there is that she's read it to improve the relations between. countries. for months and he's ready to change relations between our countries including new korean russia germany and france because we saw that he's tired of all situation in donbass and he should to fix mistakes of course he agreed that poroshenko wasn't right on when he was a president and his behavior was not correct now speaking of president elect selenski he looks like a person who would i think appreciate your sense of humor have you ever tried to get through to him well we. will try to reach him before when he was he

was and candidates on the president elections and it was a few pranks with him one was from when we called him from. military service and come to army and the second was when we called him and. he didn't speak of the form but you picked up before on exam for i'm curious if. and kill him was he was a near miss him and he picked on the phone and tried to frame it and say that's i will find you i will catch you and. it was life is just a little like a strike between the. column one ski that by the whole thing that says alinsky is victory is one big political crank for three years he played a president and now he suddenly becomes president we got what they've been seen since you love comedy what can you say about such a plot twist. of principle so well this is an interesting choice

given that at the selection the ukrainians didn't really have a lot to choose from there's the elite that has been in power for several decades now. and those people who represent a done busts of the opposition such as. they took part in every election in ukraine . so what i think is that the ukrainians have grown tired of all the same faces especially so when nothing changed every time a different politician was elected the situation in the country remained unchanged again and again and then the my done revolution happened in two thousand and fourteen and everyone had very high hopes people dreamed of joining europe and living a beautiful life five years have passed and now ukraine sees a civil war the economy situation is dire the dollar exchange rate has soared and

that's why the people had no choice but to play the big political prank on the establishment. i wouldn't say it's so praying it's ukraine's last hope for change. now you have a very large collection of american francs prank the american officials and i think they're the funniest and also the most unsettling because they expose. absolute ignorance that many american politicians have about their world despite the fact that they have a lot of influence. isn't it scary for you to live in this kind of world when people who know nothing about other countries still command a lot of power over the events of those countries yes it's a i think it's a drama for or walt because yes i know that they manage the lives of other people who lives on the other side of world they have a big influence so we want to show their real face to all other societies to show

that they can live what they are real really what what their education is what their. real opinion not do is show opinion not like every politician has his own mosque so we want to show his real face was in that it wasn't issued in there let me ask you another question in the us a particular narrative that has been covering increasingly popular over i mean is that the democrats colluded with the ukrainian authorities in order to undermine you don't hold trumps reputations and that come himself said the other day that he hoped that there during the general would look into these claims was is that you have a cute collection that may actually be a source for a great many interesting details regarding the issue. would you give your files to the u.s. justice department. or stiffens they all are publicly available we don't keep

anything a secret do we upload all that we do where we waited for that fake material or the fake materials to. console. them to mr miller or really yes it was probably him in the earlier conversation with adam schiff not not for the machine for his line from his visit here. we tried to reach officers of the special console miller and we were in touch with the team and we were already provided fake. fake documents them and they already have sort of maybe maybe it's a real reason why this started to investigate that collusion between ukraine and democrats seriously you know that sometimes fiction. tells truth badder than. it yes they latch truth so i think as we say in russia in every job there is only a little a little bit of it yes that's the truth that we make

a reality through our phone calls and conversation it's usually we predict the future through our phone calls for example when we when we. save the lives of. pilots. and then it happened exchanged between sergeant and other our soldiers were in ukraine and for example. tried to repeat what we did what we have done so we looked at us and say you are the real power master says that yes it was great of the wood trade to manage police politics. well guys for the time being let's take a very short break but we'll be back in just a few moments states you. montes

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welcome back to worlds apart with alexis the lead author and of lead the american it's all better known as russian pranksters blacks as and of on alexy we are now recording this conversation in you consider in boric and where you leave. is joining us from that of what i see screeches twenty six hundred kilometers away walk me through the logistics of it how do you guys get together for your francs how does it happen so we don't have to be close to charles or to make our praying so we do it through internet so you see that's we have a good connections with skype now and we usually make a conference between each other and we call for a conference and we that's moments we can we could be located. three thousand miles from each other so it's it's. a challenge that you could be sitting in your bedroom or wearing your pajamas and calling well you know these are nice yes and

there was a cup of coffee for example the usual it's like in the morning you can go to the store buy a. coffee. or a cross on come back to torment you so you that you have a conversation with the secretary general of nato so you you can watch the t.v. shows and then when the time. switch on your left to. discuss any anything i did say has described the almost utilitarian conditions of your work i got it have you ever tried to call president putin in the same condition. i am sure you can call putin in any conditions but he. actually took us two years to get to mr mccraw and. we waited for a window of opportunity for two years and finally we got

a chance to text him and give him some information it's always a very slim chance you can't be sure if they take debates or not you know will we would be happy to get putin or trump on the phone i think ocean would be the pinnacle of your prankster career in terms of the sensational ism and the complexity of fulfilling the timeless if you ever get a chance to get in touch with putin how do you think you would set he not know almost some villain to do that we would need a telephone number to call any contact details not just the number of his administration and i think you need to pick a country first the president's press secretary mr peskov number is not hard to get to know no one calls to scoff if they need to talk to the president doing so he has international communications advisors who can organize a phone talk to me or you can approach the minister of foreign affairs not that good but you need to pick

a country first to make up your mind on the leader of what country you're going to be. it must be someone who doesn't have close contact with mr putin already remember last year spring when we pretended to be armenia's pm nicole pushing this man had come out of nowhere he came to power as a result of a peaceful revolution and had an established contacts with other world leaders at the moment we didn't have an office and he could use to get in touch with them quickly if needed we used this story and called officials in europe dr jean claude juncker. and boris johnson pretend. to be pushing. the same kind of story is needed for a break with putin or trump or any other world leader this is the way to go but he meant it was given they were going to put on the religious the still ability gets to mention champ have you ever tried to get through to him. yes we try it for

example and probably. we tried to reach his of ministration. but we didn't find a person who would be best for that conversation because when we tried to reach him from ukrainian authorities his administration wouldn't talk to them because ukraine is knots i can't say that maybe ukraine is not so important for trumps of ministration so it's enough. for example the president is enough to talk to secretary of defense secretary of energy and energy. over the years or was enough to reach trying to rescue us so it's not enough so we need to find another another person if they could talk to him to see he said say that because i don't know if you've read the miller report. released recently but it actually mentions that put in ad the at one point when the allegations of collusion were at

their highest complain to one of the russian bankers that he doesn't know whom to talk in the trunk administration so it seems like you guys who are in this similar situation. probably probably so we also. and so we also called two american politicians and for a way the fake documents and fake fake news spread like it's now it's more than two to show fake collusion between white house and the kremlin so and politicians are ready to believe so they believe firmly that they want to believe not that it's not only in truth deep in the miller report it was from the miller report it was clear that swirling around town for a lot of them pollsters and people of very very shady yesterday political swindlers . do you. thing is made it easier or perhaps more difficult to reach john because

everybody in the west or many people in the west believe that the kremlin had a direct line to the child but it seems like both the best russian pranksters and the kremlin administration didn't know how to reach him. i think it doesn't doesn't impact. on or reaching to trump so. i think it's many of its many cheaters around trump and ministration for example there are some praying prank was charmers already have done buds by american citizens soloists year one radio host called him and when he was in his air force one so he called to speak on speech wards of white house and told that he is a sin that's are and then the us. told them that he would like to urge a phone call with strom. workers and one white house reached.

jarrett question or and told them told him that sort of this is somebody else i'm going to be to did you feel jealous no no i think because it was a. it's not it was not a good prank is about two minutes and trond didn't answer or something interesting something special if we would be on the place and we or of course we would we be more perfect but it's like it's proof that it's possible to reach even trump or some other world leader without. secret service is a meeting we're not sure where the you can see this or not but today aleksey is wearing do you work for the year you t. shirts i guess you hear this question quite a lot because your ability to build connections is head and shoulders above. of what an average journalist is able to achieve i think you must have certain friends

with connections or at least friends with special equipment. unless it is for what we do we don't need any special equipment to get to talk to world leaders what we need is to find the approach that works best in each case. with them up but only in those that would you actually some people mistakenly believe that there are some underground or underwater telephone lines connecting world leaders which they used to talk to each other in this case. when europe was diffused away all have their own secure lines but when you try to call somebody else you don't know what kind of equipment he's using at the moment. you need to know the right approach you need to have certain social engineering skills we have vast experience in this area we have been doing this for over ten

years now we started to pull pranks on world leaders around two thousand and fourteen we've been making progress like any other professionals were able to achieve more than those who have just started as a challenge why do you do what you do just for fun or maybe you see other value in pranking apart from entertainment. initially when we started we did this mainly for fun i'm not talking about breaking world leaders we started with breaking showbiz celebrities and freak personalities but after some time we got tired of it so when the ukraine crisis began we shifted to journalism began to pull pranks to get the information we wanted. them to and we call what we do pray in journalism we don't just call someone to

make fun of him or her but we're conducting an interview of a kind of course we are not doing this openly we're going to we also prepare for these interviews we prepare a set of basic questions we try to guess the answers we might get and try to set the direction of the conversation we choose a subject we're interested in and we choose a person we consider interesting we also want to unveil the mystery and show others what kind of people the world leaders actually are and what world politics really is. heard here joke that russia has to real reliable allies they they had carious and the crankcase and i think you left out the trolls but even the hackers and the pranksters this is the kind of joke

that many people take a very very serious there specially in the west do you feel like what you do serves russia's interest russia's national interest so we're. we don't have any connections to government so we do our job by ourselves only without any help from any other sides. including. secret services. for lease or diplomats all thing that's we have done was done by our political view of course we dorms want to harm anyone we don't want to make or relations between countries worse and we're more that's. have something consequences and yes i know the. consequences and future but we of course think about before we do our pranks and

some think is interests or fall countries suffering is not in the interest of our country but it's also popular not only in russia but in all our of the warped guys it's been a great pleasure talking to you thank you very much for thank you so much for your time. this conversation going our social media pages. on same place same time here on worlds apart. we have no political agenda here we just. cost more to get out what you get when

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