a full charge sheet so that is what has been pencilled in for the twelfth of june we saw on wednesday when he was sentenced for for a bail issue he was given a maximum sentence. double what the soap or so-called speedboat killer was given who was only given six months and was given fifty weeks it should be noted it's punitive you know jordan has been persecuted throughout his time in the embassy by the government it's a very politically motivated situation but why do you think the average tailor ignored all your. editors clemency pleas all the mitigation a little history deborah taylor felt that none of that mitigation was worth even looking at whereas we said outside the court after her judgement we would actually call on everyone to read the submissions that we submitted in court they're not long and to make up your own mind she she went so far as to completely discount the united nations saying that the ruling that the united nations have given twice

saying that both sweden and the united kingdom had a duty to let your innocence free she said was based on misconceptions of fact and role and had no bearing in her court it was an extremely dismissive thing for her to say jews and i know they're not removed journalists here on the international so many other international organizations have expressed concern about what's happened to your editor i've got to ask you obviously how he is because we have press freedom advocates sources have told us they fear for his life what is his health how is he facing these new prospects of to being in the embassy for that long and now in the so-called guantanamo britain exactly so you have to remember that he lived in in a building for seven years with no access to the outside we saw when he was forcibly removed from the embassy that he he he had deteriorated compared to when we had seen him go in and so he went from one virtual jail on top of on top of it initially being

a safe place and his refuge turned into something far more hostile went from one virtual to joe to another now when we saw him in court on wednesday when he was presented i noted that here significantly lost weight. conditions in belmarsh prison are not good two to a sturdy measures and cut backs. the prison population is forced to be in there in their cells for twenty three hours of of the day which is tantamount to solitary confinement in fact it is a definition of solitary confinement in terms of visiting you yes on torture there is and in fact urine rapper terror territory has requested a visit and is going to visit him in belmarsh next week the conditions are poor a little very strong person and he will he will survive it but that doesn't take away from from the extended campaign for many years to break him down

fidel you must be watching out of the mainstream media in this country is covering the case you knew julie was six of those seven years what have you made of being portrayed basically as a as a poor house guest is that the story and why are they covering it like that was he basically tortured in europe i think there is contained to smear julian i think is complete and therefore to distract their attention from the main thing which is a journalist trying to be extradited for police into full information which was the reason for his political asylum the fact that julian assange is now. fighting extradition proofs that there was. no and that he was always right asking for that aside and so. and handing him over to his prosecutors has committed is in a sense a crime so in order to distract from the crime and the smear campaign media reports

always talk about the luxury vehicle dorian embassy what conditions was during the sanjay in seven years but their embassy is very very small apartment with not. windows that allows sunlight he was very very difficult conditions not at all not privileges for genocide even under these conventions the guarantee is. they cut off his communication in the last year with the new government of learning more and not julian assange jaws basically isolated and communicated that was the start of trying to break him down in order to force him out of his own will which failed. didn't have internet he didn't have access to telephone he didn't have access to visitors apart from his lawyers. can attest to that because even i wasn't able to go to us he says he's last year. at the embassy

so. they tried to break him down they failed and they need to bring. their side undoes why they are alleging behavior the relationship between julian assange and the diplomatic stuff and the other minister of all the quadrillions was very respectful very respectful from him towards us and from us towards him always and the un was special rapporteur was supposed to visit about the ecuadorian embassy yes the special repertoire on territory was just to go and visit and his asylum was ended before that visit was able to take place probably because they knew that. the conditions were so appalling. that there would be a very negative element coming out of that visit now the u.n. recognize that he was basically a political refugee and so on did you did you know he was being spied on well it

was always difficult to have privacy in the embassy less not forget that they were doing embassy was the most surveilled place in the planet so it was at the beginning right to still cameras inside the embassy in order to safeguard the political leslie and the embassy staff however with the change of government that same equipment became basically spying tool against julian assange and you suspect lenin merino is under pressure because of the i.m.f. and the cia base in monterrey absolutely absolutely i think there's a combination of two elements for the decision. of revoking the asylum the international pressure coming from the united states the new foreign policy of ecuador is not sovereign anymore he's completely sold out today to the united

states. was noted when when he actually allowed foreign countries policeman into the embassy absolutely absolutely and before that there was. there was not much coverage about that but in january this year. the u.s. prosecutors. interview something like fifteen diplomats. in london in the embassy in london not exactly in the embassy but in the commercial office which is part of the diplomatic mission. regarding julian assange who was supposed to be protected by acquittal so that shows you the kind of. their cooperation between the court and they call the government with the americans in order to hand over julian i saw your replacement in london on the show the your former media partners the guardian which is arguably more exercised about rape

cases as channel four news just tell me about the reader information request that the italian journalists have on your marriage. revealed to us versus c.p.s. she had received three or four investigations which according to the freedom of information requests both. the crown prosecution service in the u.k. and the prosecuting authority in sweden was able to put together a correspondence between the two in that we found that close was. instead of acting as the c.p.s. should have which was british crown prosecution service this is a time that pierce stramash other director secretaries instead of them acting nearly as a conduit in order to progress the swedens case which was almost a non case because they had refused to challenge your d. and. was actually giving strategic and legal advice and and pushing sweden to

continue the case to not question him in the u.k. pushing sweden to to keep the case going for as long as possible so the british authorities would try to persuade sweden to uphold accusations well why do you think judge debra taylor this week didn't think much of that being relevant to him skipping bail today that she didn't take that into account she didn't comment on it but why do you think that is i mean we have an independent judiciary here in this country presumably it's as i said previously it's an extremely politically motivated situation it's. do we have an independent judiciary when you see that the c.p.s. is suggesting on how to progress or not progress the case of another country quite above them julian just suffering arguably all those developing nations. secrets were exposed. for the benefit of those peoples we mustn't forget as was josie

manning who is in solitary confinement as well as julian's underwear the josie manning is also facing a long stay in prison yesterday and was aware or because that happened before chelsea was put in into prison before kurian was arrested before his asylum was forcibly and illegally removed. she's put into prison for saying that she's refusing to testify against him. and let's remember that she's already being tried she's already served a sentence she's had a sentence commuted this displays that the future for journalism and the future for julian and the vehemence with which the u.s. administration is trying to get him is going to be setting a very bad precedent for journalism in the future but also that they will definitely be he will not be facing a fair trial if he were to end up in the united states will counsel joseph thank

you after the break a caricature or to follow one of the world's great just brought you this censorship and a lifetime's work on the track and after russophobia side of phobia the boss of britain's foreign affairs select committee accuses china of nesting dragons. and all of them all coming up a bunch of going underground. they can come and blow our brains out at any given time and we can't really do anything actually america is the only country in the world where you can kill people outside

of war and legally get away with. all of the fire crawls still beriah all the troubled history failed the point it's hollow flying to k.k.k. exists because america wants it to exist they are the biggest terrorist group to ever operate in this country and they're dead to me they're worse all than the people who destroyed the world trade centers are those grow why. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or somehow want to be next. to going to be

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welcome back it was may day international workers day this week when u.k. labor leader jeremy coleman had been accused didn't mention the impact on workers struggles around the world of julian the son whose pleas for clemency were rejected this week by judge debra taylor in a london court that's just bite messages alleging that corbin's choice for breakfast secretary presided over attempts to prolong the incarceration of the world famous journalist and publisher corbin did within an hour of assad being sent down attacks resume for austerity where does the prime minister think this government has gone wrong when we've reached the point where people now expect to live shorter lives may said corbin was the problem it states the right honorable gentleman first of all that it is not the case that people are now expecting to shorter lives and they have done in the future maybe the only feels that way every

stage of life we are ensuring that we as conservatives are improving people's lives i mean so many of those areas that right on the right on the agenda has done nothing but those against the policies it's got to go. elsewhere this being international workers day the boss of the u.k. foreign affairs select committee put the boot into china and chinese telecoms company while away the decision that has been discussed in many parts of the world at the moment is the possibility that we will be nesting a dragon that's tom to going to have to cause this channel a hostile agent carrying out information warfare comparing the u.k. business relationships with the superpower of the twenty first century to nesting dragons. well someone not afraid of using the dragon motif is one of the world's greatest political cartoonists steve bell who draws for the guardian he joins me now steve welcome to going on the go before we get to how dangerous you are as a human being it has all of that now as it has an office let's go straight to this just take us through the iconography here well it's obviously the main image from

the the screen grab from the it was a video that you'd love to run. with you with your fixed camera disco to get where they were out twenty well then i heard somebody go to hear this and that's it's such a powerful because it first is the shock of him this all bearded bloke point his finger like a sort of completely unlike so unexpected so you reach this photograph which are obviously based on the screen grab is quite shocking and then i did the other because of course it's all about. extraditing him to the states so. that my metaphor for the states is of course trump now that there is a question or a good story we're going to be where you exams are but on the other trump is such a disgusting receptacle i. quite useful that is for you trump is a toilet because i think with defenders

a target is to come into the. i think he's beyond the he's you know creeping towards the realms of fascism in the not just creeping towards these galloping towards it i think he's he's dangerous as well as you know he was in the us ambassador in london. and that well i was sure they were but it's just the idea of. kowtow to these devolves to for him to be extradited on. whatever charge they have charged him on yet or charge about it but it's probably carries a five year penalty until they decide to change it i should imagine i don't think he stands. goes to a cat hell's chance to get a fair trial in the states and the judge in this country is already disgraced himself by calling him and also it's just. that's fairly unnecessary. i think. so we like about assad and that he's done vital and necessary things this in no way

does raise the question of television being a visual medium and the two political hay their political good years of the nineteenth century. even competition with the image i mean there you take you know you know i you know i thought plunder. photographs all the time but also plunder works of art and old cartoons as well. i'm fascinated by the visual medium we are surrounded by because we were so out of it we were drowning in imagery so how do you know how do you navigate how do you articulate these images and that's what's fascinating about cartooning is that you actually are one of the first to go through before it's actually allowed to tinker and play with and interrogate imagery is one thing you have to admit about corba newsies is a democratic policy to be lectured by nine times as an m.p. and that's that shows at least some kind of commitment that he's depicted in the public prints i think the press and all the rest of them as

a kind of terrorist somebody who's out to undermine you hear these. halfwits like mark francois such remarks or start by how to moderate moderate or talk to boxers which is. sort of stupid nincompoop thing to say it's because you depicted them is the mona lisa by davinci. in the sense that people don't really know what global audience will really is in some ways spectacular mysterious because he's he's an old biddy with a snaggletooth and he's staring right at it whereas tony blair had a staring left out of this there's not much sci fi. we have a thing about staring eyes oh yeah it definitely is very important if. every because that's a thatcher had the staring left eye and it was an element there was always an element of madness about thoughts which i think i caught on to. the on in the

eighty's early eighty's i was doing it every prime minister depicted by you as an air of madness there we. were definitely definitely the two that it was blair but the main the rafat it was there was definitely an element of believing her own kind of propaganda she finally went off the rails when she introduced the poll tax and against all advice pushed and pushed and it drove a party nearly off the rose of julie go rid of her i was i was grew up where the vietnam war was on and the coverage the footage the documentary footage on the news every day was horrifying and it was constant the it was really graphic stuff about what was going on in vietnam which of course turn people against the war by the time the pope was capable i think the state had loads its less of the dog you keep keep the details because you control access so the cartoonist there here's

a chance for a cartoonist to so a mad surreal strip with penguins and sort of you clear i would say think so it's quite a it is an opportunity to make actual serious comments about the whole process i mean you've insulted so many politicians of all different political persuasions and being so. i suppose their relatives would say up pulling to them and yet it was israel out of all the different subjects that you were finally spike for one cartoon or have you been sensible though of been sport before that. so with the recent thing which is the. the us in university and medical exam israel says. i mean i notice that there are so shocked by it from so there's this image of her as it is of a ruler who would with a headscarf and i wanted to do a tribute it was

a desire to make it because. it was being forgotten and i looked on the look did a search of the go there was no there was one story i was one mention of and this is this this is happened several days before i was quite shocked at this so i wanted to. netanyahu is on a visit to bering street so i took the traditional image in front of the fireplace which is where the heads of state meet the prime minister entertains with a flag a flag out of the fireplace in the middle paper overlaid a meaning they said this is a reference to the gas ovens of the of the second when i i was so shocked that they should have taken that firstly it's easy to read what i hear but also it's based on a fundamental crude bit of racism in the sense that it identifies all of them and if you voice netanyahu as representing all jews i know history of the jews which is what he wants people to put out on them and the man doesn't even represent the israeli state he represents he's own interests he's corrupt he's a he's

a well the he's a silly proceeding and yes. you have been indicted here he's unspeakable so it was a sort of heartfelt and but. the paper sort of stopped it and the worst thing was they wouldn't discuss why i had it and it was closed down it just didn't go out i was very disappointed about it and of course the thought is once the folks of that series of your is running and people are true you know there's a kind of. group think takes over and it's very hard to make once one of the idea that it's a reference to gas ovens which of course it isn't you know oprah. so people are on the side of caution in the the cartoon was last i've been there for the. coming up to forty years i think into you know you know years this year i've been working for them. and you know they generally i do it send it

occasionally there's a not for some reason usually taste and decency or it could be law able that's another thing that's obviously but then you learn how to steer around that sometimes a bit like juggling with high explosives but it's not it's also it's important in the speech so i think cartoonists we have the opportunity to do that because i have to quote this though this chomsky quick censorship is never over for those who've experienced it it's a brand of the imagination that effects the individualists it forever. you don't feel that censorship you're still with all the strictures you just outlined whether it be liable and no i don't i don't feel so you know i don't feel i'm heavily censored or a no no i i mean i don't mind my vote on my most vigorous editor if you are the one who takes decisions are you you're trying these are tested things you go you know you're pushing things getting away with things if you like but you're always doing it i was so responsibly ongoing saga like bricks. does it get more and more

difficult to come up with your original out of dollars and dimensions to the story the thing about things like bricks is it becomes it takes over and weirdly people get more interested in politics at that time it was boring it's ridiculous it's endless trying to find a new a new metaphor for tourism is useless niceties is difficult it's one of those issues i've always felt sort of fairly neutral about oddly enough yet it's whipped up into a kind of divided the whole of society between louis was a rebellious which i think is absolute it's not it's a do diversion from actual politics we've been diverted from politics for years now because of this stupid internal tory party norms and every day of the world it was on the b.b.c. you get ten different brands of tory m.p. talking giving us their views as if politics is just about what happens in the tory party i mean it's such a such an irrelevance it's i love i love it for that reason but it's very funny

it's very this is a very stupid deeply ridiculous. seatbelt thank you that's it for the show will be back on monday with a brazilian philosopher rebuttal under who once told barack obama and joe that he would not try socially just on monday. pony's you know one of the. underworld. just totally.

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