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yes has sixty five days to give a full charge sheet so that is what has been pencilled in for the twelfth of june we saw on wednesday when he was sentenced for for a bail issue he was given a maximum sentence. double what the soap or so-called speedboat killer was given who was only given six months to do was given fifty weeks it should be noted it's punitive you know jordan has been persecuted throughout his time in the embassy by the government it's a very politically motivated situation but why do you think deborah taylor ignored all your. editors clemency pleas all the mitigation a little history deborah taylor felt that none of that mitigation was worth even looking at whereas we said outside the court after her judgment we would actually call on everyone to read the submissions that we submitted in court they're not long and to make up your own mind she she went so far as to completely discount the united nations saying that the ruling that the united nations have given twice
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saying that both sweden and the united kingdom had a duty to let your day in a sound free she said was based on misconceptions of fact and role and had no bearing in her court it was an extremely dismissive thing for her to say jews and i know they're not removed journalists international so many other international organizations have expressed concern about what's happened to your editor i've got to ask you obviously how he is because we have press freedom advocates sources have told us they fear for his life what is his health how is he facing these new prospects of to being in the embassy for that long and now in the so-called guantanamo britain exactly so you have to remember that he lived in in a building for seven years with no access to the outside we saw when he was forcibly removed from the embassy that he he he had deteriorated compared to when we had seen him go in and so he went from one virtual jail. on top of on top of it
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initially being iraq as a safe place and his refuge turned into something far more hostile went from one virtual to joe to another now when we saw him in court on wednesday when he was presented i noted that here significantly lost weight. the conditions in belmarsh prison are not good two to a sturdy measures and cutbacks. the prison population is forced to be in there in their cells for twenty three hours of of the day which is tantamount to solitary confinement in fact it is a definition of solitary confinement in terms of visiting yes on torture there is and in fact for turks or has requested a visit and is going to visit him in belmarsh next week the conditions of pour a little very strong person and he will he will survive it but that doesn't take away from from the extended campaign for many years to break him down
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fidel you must be watching out of the mainstream media in this country is covering the case you knew julie was six of those seven years what have you made of being portrayed basically as a as a poor house guest is that the story and why are they covering it like that was he basically tortured in europe i think there is contained to smear julian i think is complete and therefore to distract their attention from the main theme which is that journalists claimed to be extradited for police into full information which was the reason for his political asylum the fact that julian assange is now. fighting extradition proofs that ecuador was try to learn. and that he was always right asking for that asylum so. and handing him over to his prosecutors has
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committed is in a sense a crime so in order to distract from the crime and the smear campaign media reports always told where the luxury vehicle dorian embassy what conditions was during the sanjay in those seven years but the embassy is very very small apartment not. windows that allows sunlight he was very very difficult conditions not at all not privileges for genocide even under these conventions the guarantee is. they cut off his communication in the last year with the new government of learning more and not julian assange jaws basically isolated and communicated that was the start of trying to break him down in order to force him out of his own will which failed. didn't have internet he didn't have access to telephone he didn't have access to visitors apart from his lawyers. can attest to
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that because even i wasn't able to do was he says he's last year. at the embassy so. they tried to break him down they failed and they need to bring. their side undoes why they are alleging behavior the relationship between julian assange and the diplomatic stuff and the other minister of all the quadrillions was very respectful very respectful from him towards us and from us towards him always and the un was special robert there was a privilege about the ecuadorian embassy yes the special repertoire on it was to go and visit and his asylum was ended before that visit was able to take place probably because they knew that. the conditions were so appalling. that there would be a very negative element coming out of that visit now the u.n.
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recognize that he was basically a political refugee and so on did you did you know he was being spied on well it was always difficult to have privacy in the embassy less not forget that they could the embassy was the most surveilled place in the planet so it was at the beginning right to still cameras inside the embassy in order to safeguard the political leslie and the embassy staff however with the change of government that same equipment became basically spying tool against julian assange and you suspect lenin merino is under pressure because of the i.m.f. and the cia base in monterrey absolutely absolutely i think there's a combination of two elements for the decision. of revoking the asylum the international pressure coming from the united states the new foreign policy of ecuador is not sovereign anymore he's completely sold out today to the united
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states. was noted when when he actually allowed a foreign country into the embassy absolutely absolutely and before that there was . there was not much coverage about that but in january this year. the u.s. prosecutors. interview something like fifteen diplomats. in london in the embassy in london not exactly in the embassy but in the commercial office which is part of the diplomatic mission. regarding julian assange who was supposedly protected by acquittal so that shows you the kind of. their cooperation between the court and they call the government with the americans in order to hand over julian i saw your replacement in london on the show the your former media
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partners the guardian which is arguably more exercised about rape cases as channel four news just tell me about the reader information request that the italian journalists have on your merits. revealed to. us she had received three or four investigations which freedom of information requests both. the crown prosecution service in the u.k. and the prosecuting authority in sweden was able to put together a correspondence between the two in that we found that paul close was instead of acting as a c.p.s. should have which was british crown prosecution service and this is a time that gear stramash other director secretaries instead of them acting media as a conduit in order to progress the swedens case which was almost a non case because they had refused to challenge your d. and. was actually giving strategic and legal advice and and pushing sweden to
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continue the case to not question him in the u.k. pushing sweden to to keep the case going for as long as possible so the british authorities would try to persuade sweden to uphold accusations well why do you think judge deborah taylor this week didn't think much of that being relevant to him skipping bail today that she didn't take that into account she didn't comment on it but why do you think that is i mean we have an independent judiciary here in this country presumably it's as i said previously it's an extremely politically motivated situation it's. do we have an independent judiciary when you see that the c.p.s. is suggesting on how to progress or not progress the case of another country quite above them julian just suffering arguably all those developing nations. secrets
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were exposed leaks for the benefit of those peoples we mustn't forget as was just the manning who is in solitary confinement as well as julian's underwear the jersey manning is also facing a long stay in prison yesterday and was aware or because that happened before chelsea was put in into prison before during and was arrested before his asylum was forcibly and illegally removed. she's put been put into prison for saying that she is refusing to testify against your dad. and let's remember that she's already being tried she's already served a sentence she's had a sentence commuted this this displays that the future for journalism and the future for julian and the vehemence with which the u.s. administration is trying to do. is going to be setting a very bad precedent for journalism in the future but also that they would definitely be he would not be facing
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a fair trial. if he were to end up in the united states will counsel thank you after the break a caricature to follow one of the world's great just brought you this steve bell and censorship and a lifetime's work of attacking. her russophobia sign a phobia the boss of britain's foreign affairs select committee accuses china of nesting dragons ok and p.n.p. all of them all coming up a bunch of going underground. they can come and blow our brains out at any given time and we can't really do anything actually america is the only country in the world where you can kill people. war and legally get away with. all the fire crawls still. all the trouble here's
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the point it's how low flying the k.k.k. exists because america wanted to exist the of the biggest terrorist group to ever operate in this country and they did to me the worst saul's in the people who destroyed the world trade centers. wife. what is it calling the coin is magic internet the new type of digital currency the centralized digital scarcity chancellor bring a second for bankers call the genesis blog for reason to calling it civil disobedience a source of optimism because i can control my own financial destiny it's just a new way of coming to consensus is
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the mountains of waste only grow. seemed wrong. but. just don't hold. any new world yet to shape out these days become educated and in gains from an equal betrayal. when so many find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground. welcome back it was may day international workers day this week when u.k. labor leader jeremy corbett been cues didn't mention the impact on workers struggles around the world of julian the son whose pleas for clemency were rejected this week by judge debra taylor in a london court that's just bite messages alleging that corbin's choice for breakfast secretary presided over attempts to prolong the incarceration of the
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world famous journalist and publisher corbin did within an hour of assad being sent down attacks resume for austerity that where does the prime minister think this government has gone wrong when we've reached the point where people now expect to live shorter lives may said corbin was the problem i say the right honorable gentleman first of all that it is not the case that people are now expecting to shorter lives and they have done in the future maybe the only feels that way every stage of life we are ensuring that we as conservatives are improving people's lives i mean so many of those areas that right on the right on of agenda has done nothing but those against the policies it's got to get government. elsewhere this being international workers day the boss of the u.k. foreign affairs select committee put the boot into china and chinese telecoms company while weigh the decision that has been discussed in many parts of the world
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at the moment is the possibility that we will be nesting a dragon that's tom to going to have to cause this channel a hostile agent carrying out information warfare comparing the u.k. business relationships with the superpower of the twenty first century to nesting dragons well someone not afraid of using the dragon motif is one of the world's greatest political cartoonists steve bell who draws for the guardian he joins me now steve welcome to going underground before we get to how dangerous you're as a human being it has always said no as a as an office let's go straight to this just take us through the iconography here what it's going to mean is from the screen grab from the. it was a radio that you love to run you look with you with your fixed camera disco and dad when they were out twenty well then i heard somebody's got to hear this and that's it's such a powerful because it first is a shock of him they sell beauty bloke point his finger like
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a sort of completely unlike so unexpected so the image this photograph which are obviously based on the screen grab is quite shocking and then i did the other because of course it's all about. extraditing him to the states so. that my metaphor for the states is of course trump now that there is a question or a good story we're going to be where you exams are but on the other trump is such a disgusting receptacle i. quite useful because for you trump is a toilet because i think with defenders a target is to come into the area i think he's beyond the he's you know creeping towards the realms of fascism in the not not just creeping towards these galloping towards it i think he's he's dangerous as well as you know he was in the u.s. ambassador in london. that well i was sure they were but it's just the idea of you know kowtow to these devolves to for him to be extradited on.
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whatever charge they have charged him on yet or charge about it oh but it's probably carries a five year penalty until they decide to change it i should imagine i don't think he stands a ghost in a cat hell's chance to get a fair trial in the states and the judge in this country is already disgraced himself by calling him and also it's just think that's really are necessary. now i think. so we like about assad and that he's done vital and necessary things this in a way does raise the question of television being a visual medium and god. political hay their political good years of the nineteenth century. even competition with the image i mean there you take you know you know i always thought plunder. photographs all the time but also plunder works of art and old cartoons as well. i'm fascinated by the visual medium we were surrounded by it
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we were drowning in imagery so how do you know how do you navigate how do you articulate these images and that's what's fascinating about cartooning is that you actually are one of the first to go through performances actually allowed to tinker and play with and interrogate imagery is one thing you have to admit about corbin is easy is a democratic policy to be lectured by nine times as an m.p. and that's that shows at least some kind of commitment that he's depicted in the public prints you know the press and all the rest of them as a kind of terrorist somebody who's out to undermine you hear these. halfwits like mark francois such remarks or start by how to borrow money to talk to boxers which is. sort of stupid nincompoop bush thing to say it's because you depicted them is the mona lisa by davinci. in the sense that people don't really know what go well either given she. in the sense that people don't really know what
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go well either or he is in some ways spectacularly i'm mysterious because he's he's an old biddy with a snaggletooth and he's got a staring right. whereas tony blair had to stare left out of those there's not much significance we have to think about staring daring eyes so yeah. it was very important to emphasize is that every because that's a thought i had the staring left and it was an element there was always an element of madness about thoughts which i think i caught on to fairly early on in the eighty's early eighty's and i was doing it every. a prime minister depicted by you has an air of madness there we. were definitely definitely the two that it was blair but the main here a fact it was that was definitely an element of believing her own kind of propaganda she finally went off the rails when she introduced the poll tax and
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against all advice pushed and pushed and it drove a party really off the rose of julie coverage of iraq i was grew up where the vietnam war was on and the coverage the footage the documentary footage on the news every day was horrifying and it was constant it was really graphic stuff about what was going on in vietnam which of course turn people against the war by the time the pope was capable i think the state had loads its less of the dog you keep keep the details because you control access so the concert is there here is a chance for a cartoonist to so a mad surreal strip with peregrine's and sort of you clear ahmed citing so it's quite a it is an opportunity to make actual serious comments about he d.c. of the whole process i mean you've insulted so many politicians of all different political persuasions and being so i suppose their relatives would say up pulling
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to them and yet it was israel out of all the different subjects that you have finally spike for one god you know if you've been sensible though of been sport before without. so what would the recent thing which is the erosion of the us in you know city of magic killed by israeli forces. i mean i notice that there was so shocked by it for us and there's this image of her as it is of a ruler who would with a headscarf and i wanted to do attribute it was a desire to make it because seat. it was being forgotten when i looked in the look did a search of the go there was no there was one story i was one mention of and this is this this is happened several days before i was quite shocked at this so i wanted. netanyahu is on a visit to bering street so i took the traditional image in front of the fireplace which is where the heads of state meet the prime minister entertains with
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a flag out of the fireplace in the middle paper overlaid a meaning they said this is a reference to the gas ovens of the of the second when i i was so shocked that they should've taken that firstly it's eugene read what he here but also it's based on a fundamental truth bit of racism in the sense that it identifies all of them and if you boys netanyahu as representing all jews and all history that which is what he wants people to put out on the mound the man doesn't even represent the israeli state he represents he's own interests he's corrupt he's a he's a more well the guy i'm not my own he's a silly proceeding and yes. you have been indicted here he's unspeakable so it was a sort of heartfelt and but. the paper sort of stopped it and the worst thing was they wouldn't discuss why i had it and it was closed down it just didn't go out i
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was very disappointed about it and of course the saudis once the folks of that sensitive you know is running and people are you know there's a kind of. group think takes over and it's very hard to make points one of the idea that it's a reference to gas ovens which of course he's. oprah of so people are on the side of caution in the the cartoon was last there for the. coming up to forty years i think you know thought you know years this is the work for them. and you know they generally i do it send it occasionally there's a not for some reason usually taste and decency or it could be law able that's another thing that's obviously but then you learn how to steer around that sometimes a bit like juggling with high explosives but it's not it's also it's important in the speech so i think cartoonists we have the opportunity to do that because i have
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to quote this though this chomsky quote censorship is never over those of experience that it's a brand of the imagination that effects the individual is evident forever. you don't feel that censorship you're still with all the strictures you just outlined whether it be liable and no i don't i don't feel so you know i don't feel i'm heavily said cytherea you know what i mean i don't mind my vote on my most vigorous editor if you are the one who takes decisions on your troy these attesting things you know you know you push the good things. getting away with things if you like but you're always doing it i would say responsibly only going saga like bricks. does it get more and more difficult to come up with you you are raising a lot of goals and dimensions to the story the thing about things like bricks is it becomes it takes over and weirdly people get more interested in politics at that time was boring it's ridiculous it's endless trying to find a new a new metaphor for treason most useless niceties is difficult it's one of those
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issues i've always felt sort of fairly neutral about oddly enough yet it's whipped up into a kind of divided the whole of the society between leave was a rebellion as which i think is absolute it's not it's a do dog person practical politics we've been diverted from politics for years now because of this stupid internal tory coffee gnomes and every day of the world it was on the b.b.c. you get different brands of tory m.p. talking giving us their views as if politics is just about what happens in the tory party i mean it's such a such an irrelevance it's i love i love it for that reason but it's very funny it's very nice and very stupid deeply stupid is ridiculous. c.b.l. thank you that's it for the show will be back on monday with a brazilian philosopher or budget under who once told barack obama and joe that he would not try socially just you know money.
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money you know what. underwater. total. money we didn't. all you i didn't go to all this movie. it has nothing to do with the propaganda that the daily mail is pushing but when you have a population that might be susceptible to propaganda they can easily be manipulated into thinking that fracking is something other than what it is it's not economically viable it costs more to frack then then then you make a profit it's cash flow negative it's also environmentally negative you destroy the
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environment incredibly. my son. my son doing drugs my nephews was still in drugs my sister just with doing drugs it was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse he started going after the users in the prison population who are we started treating sick people people who are addicted to these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill i increasingly became convinced that the war on drugs was a mistake there are countless numbers of people who are in prison for. certain sins for boring or minor offenders in the drug trade it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in wave and say by day as you're
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walking out of a business it's just it doesn't get easier. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next but the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to sit in the home field where everything is familiar. on the other i wanted a new challenge and a fresh perspective and i'm used to surprising. what not to do. i'm going to talk about football not the or else in the sink i was going to do. by the way ways of the fly here. not. something.
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that i was. afraid third unsuccessful bid to unseat the prince william president from power the opposition leader won by joe rally supporters on the streets of caracas says nicolas maduro visits the military forces refused to betray him says nicolas maduro visits the military forces refused to betray him.

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