martin killing a quarter of a million in yemen or trying to start world war three by threatening russia and china and as for new defense secretary penny mordant when it comes to britain's most defense less her voting record is for tory cuts credited with killing one hundred twenty thousand she voted against taxing bankers' bonuses and for restricting trade unions and the army the so-called military covenant is a british colonel on what it is and what it means for serving soldiers' families veterans and relatives of the fall and the military covenant is the bond between the nation on the soldier one goes to the other in terms of commitment anymore than voted against that government but what about the armed forces governance here explained by that same colonel who now takes orders from the essential thing about the divs that it removes disadvantage the ndis junctions of service life and puts servicemen on an equal plane with their peers and sit in life well his new boss british defense secretary penny mordant voted against that government to end this

all comes after two previous s's went for allegedly breaking the law rather than leaking to journalists or sexually harassing them not the mordant is arguably too up on the law she is being slammed for appearing to lie about european union access in law as for the e.u. breck said now threatens the break up of the united kingdom scottish nationalists one another independence referendum an island may be reunited but did road to independence actually begin twenty years ago today when scotland and wales first held devolved elections joining me now is the father of evolution britain's former attorney general and former shadow defense minister lord morris lord morris welcome back to going underground before we get to well stephen lucian there i got to talk about our defense secretary gavin williamson and to raise a made a minority government leader sacking him in the most extreme way possible accusing him of credit being a traitor what was your take on it well i haven't read the letter and it seems that the prime minister thought she had very vague. evidence she also adds in the next

sentence there's no credible alternative which i thought weakens the sentence. i find it astonishing that anybody has leaked from such a high powered committee. and. claims that he should be prosecuted which obviously there may well be an offense here. the difficulty is in succeeding on a prosecution because no journalist worth his salt will reveal what he's been told all that he has been told my view is this the government should seek the advice of the attorney general who is in charge of all the sponsible for the crown prosecution service he is independent as a prosecutor though he's a collective cabinet of responsibility in all the matters but as a prosecutor he's a dependent and they should consult with him and see whether it's a feasible pop proposition to prosecute can you remember at any time in post-war

british politics a little dissension even a cabinet minister could be sacked with such a thing what i mollified it's alleged to have happened and. there have been instances of cabinet ministers being sacked. as chancellor of his check a moment some expression of the journalist of the star athlete sacked him the following day. i was over the soviet era but not on those grounds i remember john prefers to call soldier jump of whom i was a shadow defense minister i was a defense minister a long long time ago i find the idea of anyone leaking from such a high powered committee so appalling as to be almost unbelievable because governor williams and denies absolutely all of this and this really is a defense ministry you might have met a journalist because williamson does say he talked. a lot about what was going on

in the meeting between the heads of five and six i suspect he may be one of the few . people present who admitted to talking to the journalist whether there is any other feds other than the fact he. he is said to have talked to a journalist and may have admitted talking to a journalist whether there is any other evidence i do not know it's twenty years today that the first welsh elections took place but you now want to abolish the westminster job of the secretary of state for wales the job you used to hold and one that you write about of course in the in this book yes of course why do an abortion well there's no function now where i was secretary of state and i was minister for everything you can think of. i accumulated responsibility for trade for industry for agriculture for the civil service. i was doing of

wales in wales i was the middest of all the estates. between cardiff and. the present state only has a staff of about thirty has no responsibilities he's does the propagandist for the conservative party in wales he has no function whatsoever i'm sure he would deny that would you think he would deny what do the gallon cans does all day. but here he attends cabinet. at the bottom of the list of participants. flogging the conservative party which is not an easy task. but he's got no executive functions yet if you could ask him what exactly do you do in the morning on planning on health on transport. we. missed electrification of the two. we never got it all you could have done

to give us the government his colleagues please may we have had no executive response ability and now when i travel to west wales because of the sponsibility is with westminster. i have to wait an hour for trade. to go on. i mean that's the importance of the office i'm sure though that though i'm not tourism a sector state for wales they might say look what happened in northern ireland. quickly if something goes wrong in the devolved problem and one of the nations that make up the united kingdom power suddenly has to return to the sector of state as it does in what we've now reached that possibility and i think it's it's not a practical politically there is no argument. against evolution well let's go back to how you started the ball rolling as it were were and how you were first

interested by harold wilson for the devolution process that has led to today nine hundred fifty three i worked on it very lonely job and very low dig having it when you had opposition from all sides and they varied we had three meetings at checkers and the opposition very did each one. of the prime minister led it would never have called school and eventually when i became attorney. i was back of the cabinet committee. many years later and i had the privilege of handing the acts to the queen in cardiff to side in both languages setting up the assembly at the official state opening and ever since that time her majesty has attended the state openings in both cardiff. because all the opponents tony benn roy jenkins denis healy jim callaghan they're all gone by the way i should say though and you

do recount all of the politicking in the in the wilson government we now have recent papers that show that there was a fear that there was an attempt to kill prince charles of his investiture can often cause and sixteen there's less of the context of that wilson nationalist. element while you were working on the prose as would turn you into the father of the evolution i was at investiture there was a very very tiny proportion of the waves for the army i think it was called. burning cottages at that time in wales but it was a very very small minority and there was no serious attempt to do anything more significant the burning a few cottages and perhaps i don't know attempting to. put a bomb under the trade that i had trouble dog but it was. two poor chaps were killed in their enthusiasm against the investiture well now this whole idea of

evolution is even in the news because it was the intention of the scottish nationalists to call the new referendum do you think you paved the way because of something that you hadn't foresee a situation like brics it for the possibility of an independent wills. i don't think any of that at all economies bode together. but if the scots we really want a. weather should have it to test the water i suspect that why scotsman will not go along sticking to wales i mean there's been quite a lot of criticism of the labor leadership there for instance when article fifty was declared and that's a common scotland immediately said we'll take over some of those e.u. roles the welsh assembly went no can take it all.

of many wales doesn't seem to be taking many of it but certainly whereas say germany coburn in london is talking about free tuition fees no rental fees child care policy the devolved labor administration is not for jeremy coleman's policies at all in fact they can tell they've taken millions from aston martin from from amazon i mean is wales turning into this new liberal center in terms of a nation where britain is starting to move on from that what i think the welsh government believe for the welsh government is to go but they're pursuing their road poses. they've been for the whole of the period of devolution sometimes. coalition now because of the additional members it's very difficult had been dissipated this very difficult to get a single majority by any party so the chances are.

that there is a coalition and i've just got to finally ask you because it's also the anniversary of mrs thatcher telling the house of commons that there was no truth in that idea is that harold wilson who you give a lot of credit to for the evolution no there was no evidence of m i five in my six and dirty tricks against the wilson government you tend to agree with mrs that's wrong and i want to get. i think i did have a i say they said my new book how to deal with webs under the bed and the. binding him and all sorts of people. i think. one of the few weaknesses of what i've got is a very great model of a great partner and a very good friend of mine thank you. after the break why owning an android or i phone may not be the sign of progress you think it is we speak of an officer and former advisor to both luda and dilma governance professor. and is every system in

life capable we speak with journalist and filmmaker who is calling trip advisor paris fashion week and the mainstream media both of them all coming on but to have going on the ground. what politicians do. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want. to go right to the press this is like the for three of them or people. i'm interested always in the

water power. welcome back according to a new stage of the nation report social mobility how to raise a maze crisis hit minority government in britain has more or less ceased but is there a way to change the distribution of economic advantage and redistribute the profits of multinational corporations joining me now from cambridge massachusetts in the us as well bernanke philosopher and former minister in the brazilian lula and dilma governments professor but his new book the knowledge economy is out now we're about it welcome to going underground so what is your understanding of the knowledge economy and why has it gone hand in hand with inequality specially in say developing nations nature nations. in every historical circumstance there is a most advanced practice of production the most advanced practice of production we

are now able to understand is the one that is closest to the imagination. it used to be conventional industry what we call for dished mass production and now it's something else that we call the knowledge economy or the experimental economy or then you are coming and it is characterized by and intimate relation between science and production the activity of producing things comes to resemble more and more the activity of imagining things and the best for him come to be more like the best schools the knowledge economy has a series of potentially revolutionary characteristics but it doesn't reveal them fully in its present form because it remains confined to fringe too insular vanguard that exclude the vast majority of

businesses and their workers and the consequence of this insularity is on the one hand slowdown in economic growth and growth and productivity and on the other hand the aggravation of inequality now you know it it's most simplistic people are going to say to you you're using this phase insulin van god far from insula people have got i phones and android phones this van god has been democratized that's true that that's a common misunderstanding so one misunderstanding is to associate the knowledge economy only with the ants manufacture itek industry in fact it is present in every part of the occurrence. me including intellectually dense services and even perception or scientific agriculture but every part as a friend and the other misunderstanding is to suppose that anyone who buys

the products and services of the knowledge economy becomes part of it that also isn't true the knowledge economy is not just a collection of gadgets and the use of these gadgets it's a revolutionary way of organizing work and production for example among among its deeper characteristics that it has not fully developed and revealed because of its confinement are there are these so first of all the most universal constraint in economic life historically has been what we call diminishing marginal returns you commit an import or an innovation to the process of production the return to weight initially increases then plateau it's and finally falls why the deep reason for that is the episodic or discontinuous character of the new of the nation the

knowledge economy holds the promise of sustaining a form of perpetual innovation that loose ends or reverses the constraint of diminishing marginal returns a second characteristic is to bring together our imagination and production and promise a radical change in the relation of the worker to the machine everything that we've learned how to repeat we embody in a formula and then we. put the formula into the mechanical device the point of the machine is to do for us everything that we have learned how to repeat so that we can preserve our supreme resource our time for the not. it repeatable and then this combination of the machine and the antique machine the human be becomes immensely more powerful than either of them separately i third

deeper characteristic of the knowledge economy is a revolution in the moral culture of production the earlier exams practices of production require that generalization of the low level of trashed among the participants and work and there is a command and control scheme it's like a traditional incent tree brigade the knowledge economy flourishes on the basis of a height. of the level of discretion and reciprocal trust among all participants in production and one aspect of the knowledge economy of course is taxation and a lot of debate about why these big companies don't pay that much taxes perhaps it'll surprise some that you you say the v eighteen is is the future i don't know whether because a big accounting firms at city area know let me explain so one of the major consequences of the knowledge economy is the aggravation of inequality because

a chasm opens up between the xander and backward parts of production. and the traditional device for moderating inequality is compensatory and retrospective redistribution like taxes and by social spending so progressive taxation on one side and redistributive social entitlements. on the other side but if the inequality is overwhelming then this attempt to correct it after the fact is very inadequate so the first thing to understand the bag inequality is that the right way to attack inequality is to change the arrangements that shape the original the fundamental distribution of economic and educational advantage and not simply to try and

correct the inequality after the fact through this retrospective redistribution that doesn't mean that progressive taxation and social entitle mintz have no legitimate role they do but it's a subsidiary role now on that row we come to the other point in the short term what matters most for the impact on inequality of taxation and social spending is not how progressive the tax system is on the revenue raising side it's. what the aggregate level of the tax take is and how that tax take is spent i'm just going to ask one final question obviously with the brazilian provenance you work with dilma and with lula do you think some of the inspiration for this book is a revolutionary book came from the favelas anyone who's been to

a favela or in a brazilian city has seen innovation and ingenuity well our country has at its most important attribute. a tremendous like talent it's a seeding cauldron a few many energy as the united states also is and our historical tragedy has been to deny to the majority of our fellow citizens the instruments and the opportunities to turn this vitality into constructive action the great the image the theme of empowerment and the message is let's become bigger together but we can only become bigger together by innovating in the structure of society it's not enough to humanize and that's what the progressives in the contemporary world had in general done they had presented themselves as the sugar covers as that humanizes of the inevitable humanisation is not enough what we want is empowerment

a shared empowerment. a larger life to which we can ascend together and the creation of a disseminated and deep in knowledge economy is a singular opportunity for the advancement of that liberating project. thank you well what happens when the knowledge economy eats itself journalist and filmmaker who bottler who faked a top rated restaurant from a shed in his back garden trick trip advisor paris fashion week and mainstream media and explains how in a new book he joins me now from new york about the welcome do going underground i have to ask the success of the shed of course indulge the top restaurant in london i understand you're in new york now just to remind us about the shed in using reviews on trip advisor you became number one restaurant yes so essentially i used

to live in a garden shed in college like a south east london suburb and i decided to get it verified as a restaurant on trip advisor which i was able to do even though it never existed it was a false restaurant that over the base of six months from april two thousand and seventeen to december. seventeenth i got it number one in the whole of london despite having never served dish and yet using false reviews growth hacking that kind of thing of course when you did your reveal and explain to mainstream media what the scam was i'm sure on looking back at the interviews you did you might have been thinking why did they seem so fearful and so keen to say you're a corner did you detect some kind of fear in mainstream media about would you don't i think it's interesting i mean that doesn't stop with the book. i mean are we always going to release the book originally on the twenty sixth of february then the twenty third of march and that's coming out in the twenty third of april and

the book is actually been banned by the singapore government not ban but they the the had legal teams from the government saying you should be difficult you should be. kind of careful about publishing this here and the same in the cayman islands they said this is not kind of. i mean maybe you might get sued which i definitely don't want i would be surprised if it was banned in other places too soon maybe even russia. america i don't know is supposed to be subverting the structures of what it's was unable people to you know it's the book the up one percent don't want you to read essentially you can apply this to any this the tenets the philosophy behind it to any walk of life and banning it is obviously what you probably want because it'll make the book do better arguably did you see why people called you the donald trump of trip advisor in the sense of the insouciance it's a good point. yeah i mean i i think that yeah it's the first step i genuinely just

a good way to live though you know not being completely defined by the outcome of what you do and just trying to make this enjoying your life enjoying it enjoying the day to day having fun think that there's i think it's a good way to live and in terms of the washington post called me the town trip advisor people said a lot of things when the shed came out you know you had as i said singaporean parliament used it to form new laws on fake news and then really redzepi runs and which is the you know most famous restaurant can because it was a critique of online reviewing coach or food or being coached i mean people said a lot of things but you know this is kind of the philosophy behind the book but on the shed the book is as you say optimistic but you think it has fertile ground is an audience because there is a feeling post twenty zero eight crash that hoodoo when do deserve it and those who lose end up at food banks let alone the restaurant. show how to

fake a difficult sort of juncture. and in the people could especially at this moment in time do with kind of us trying to escape the. what they're bound to every day in their lives and to try and do some type of cells out there and actually start enjoying themselves is got to be a good thing as the problem is that and it happened with the shared indulge you did actually have to meet people and what about the what about the dimension of class here if you'd been. someone say laid off for many fracturing in britain from a working class background white working in your fifty's would it have been difficult to persuade the kind of. the elite that you indeed would the guy who had the best restaurant in. deathly have a sense of privilege anyway but i'm not you know on the youngest of six didn't go to university i grew up in

a tiny house and we all shared bedrooms so i really think part of that. i wouldn't call myself part of con and as most a lot of journalists. and people are now unfortunately it's like in terms of class it's quite. there's not much representation in terms of working class people. and i yeah i mean i think that having the ability to just. both really invaluable whole and i think the hope that that wouldn't just be exclusive to people who come from a privileged background but to anybody. thank you and how to book your way to number one is out now available through web publications and that's if the show will be back a wintry speak we can only advise a u.k. shot of charles the john mcdonnell about creating a britain where people no longer stalls until then keep in touch by social media till wednesday.

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