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clone welcome to all the part of the recent political changes in the world where inexplicable try applying to them some friends suppose quantum physics recombination from our guest today who comes from a rare breed a physics professor turned out of state how does thinking about voter assess having the properties of both a particle and a way of. understanding the phenomena of bracks and or donald trump to discuss that i'm now joined by the president of armenia. mr president it's good to talk to thank you very much for your time. as well so now now one of the most common wards to describe quantum physics we're it's a weird kind of science and i think given all that einstein had difficulties grasping and he described it. to be real is that the same for a quantum politics. for solar mass for you

a question of course why your program is called the world apart because i think you can always disagree with somebody and you can always agree with somebody on many many many things so what i'm trying to do in this program mr explore the things when we agree and when we disagree so if you want to apply some sort of known classical thinking even to your program probably will start with something saying their world is definitely going towards being a part of this all the same time is going to be getting together at the end of the day it is going to be very difficult for you to define two things is simultaneously is the world going to part is going to get getting integrated or together but that's just a matter of. the realities. that is why my first training and my first profession i was a professor of theoretical physics mathematics at the great chance of being

educated in in armenia soviet union armenia had one of the well known centrist or theoretical physics and astrophysics and i saw i was there or through astrophysicist thinking about the structure of human is the universe and stars and in mid eighty's. i and eighty four in one nine hundred eighty four eighty five working at cambridge university middling and having not only professional discussions with great scientists but also talking about the structure of the universe and asking a simple question. to someone life's evoking. at the end of the day if we are of the earth for the physicists. what do things is there a god or not or do we need the presence of god to explain the structure and there's

a very fundamental question is how did you narrow them down to politics something as mundane and parochial as pull it in and have telling you the chronology of the of this piece at the end of the thinking about politics and thinking about god probably thinking about god is much more complex and complicated that i remember my discussions with devotion. and eventually years years after i think i returned back to this discussions because he made a wonderful series of documentary films but he was coming to a conclusion which i could agree with the path. by the destination and according to me it was wrong with the same logic you could prove you need god and there with a save you could prove that. there is no god so this is much more complex story

than the politics but speaking about politics it's not about politics as as as a craft you said the end of the day politics or diplomacy is a craft and you have to learn you have to learn not only at school but with the with the good master of you if you are like you have a good master if they learn their craft and some craftsman become great artists they think is as usual i don't know if you are that remain but i think the demand for that kind of diplomacy in some countries is diminishing because many of our me is in russia's part there is in the west no longer practicing the in the these kind of diplomacy in this kind of politics and i'm sure you would agree that trump is the first hour and a prime example of a leader who doesn't care much. well there were other. sorts of values for the moment the you are quantum thinking jumping from move from the fathers' would start to discussing their vision mr pran trumper president proud trump is not is not

the only one because at the end of the day what i was trying to do i was trying to be an observer of what is happening in the world to the thing where living exciting times. and it is exciting times is that some of the beginning of the twenty first century we have accumulated huge knowledge that we inherited from twentieth century starting from the fathers of quantum physics and those great scientists like albert einstein that had phenomena of a normal known known sort of a standard way of thinking but for him probably it was difficult to not understand but to put the quantum behavior of particles into his own theory which was about the large scale of the universe eventually this is what we

are going to get one day which is that you need a unified theory of gravitation over everything. but if if you observe the world today we are seeing the day after day huge examples of technological technological development rapid development people told it for the industrial revolution. for me it's not the fourth industrial revolution it's sort of a revolutionary evolution i mean because it will lucian or revolution revolution will have been exposed to chile and the rich life probably will change in five to between five and ten years dramatically it has changed dramatically probably starting from sixty years ago until today when the first transistors were made and we had the with the smartphones so technologically it's fourth industrial who will who shall start the slash the way i want to describe this revolution

a revolution where it's not only that the very high quality scientific discoveries will serve start serving us will change dramatically our lives but also different sectors of sizes they don't july will start merging to each other mr president that my competence is no where near yourself i'm primarily focused on politics let me pursue this all of the questions that are of interest i'm sure some are there are countries when we have i mean time is limitless in the universe but then not on this program and i don't know if you. accelerate some time is relative so as i understand your time is shorter than my time but at the end of the day we are seeing a huge technological change led by many things going to computers up to the new wave of lasers artificially dodges the that but on the other side what we are going to see here is that the human beings are not the same. they are

in there was a famous dramatic piece chilo they sort of regime obviously if you remember and this was about october revolution in russia but for me the the two words the man or the human being with with the with with a gun for the moment it's not the gun for the moment it's the connectivity with the world so the the world is becoming different because our experiences in life are that we're not only connected to each other we're not only getting huge amount of information to it not only that piece of small small piece contains all of our lives and memories and there were things but it's becoming more and more deeper because in our activity. we are missing though entertainment. with active entertainment interactive entertainment and some oh you know where

you're getting used to look at what's happening to you you have some someone as someone is right or the writing or drawing tonight a story then that sort of is becoming either ifield series or it's becoming a film then after that they're producing what a game and that same becomes interactive so we humans live to interact and we're using this gadget today the biggest entertainment is sport and out of the sport the because entertainment is food for sure but people are more watching today much more. not to live sport but the sport which is virtually sports why because just watching football football is a passive entertainment and gaming is interactive. and is there's only one step from gaming entertainment to politics so in

twenty first century politics also is going to get some elements of entertainment i don't know do agree or not politics is all center of entertainment as well and the moment there it is entertainment people would like to have interactive entertainment which is happening today individuals are using their judges through facebook through twitter and other interacting with political events and getting excited. from the because they are seeing the results well we are not getting much interaction between you and me for now but i have to take a short break and we'll be back in just a few moments. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do

next. different clubs on one hand it is logical to go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and a fresh perspective i'm used to surprising people. why not if you think. i'm going to talk about football narvi or else you can think i was going to do. by the way what is it that flying here. is this is a sticker from the old water bottle found in the stomach of the fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing us away industry should be blamed for all this waste to company has long promised to reuse the plastic. to cook absolutely.

essential projects funding me. on i knew that is the end of. the fun now the mountains of waste only grow higher. welcome back to on the part where the president of armenia our mannatech you sound mr president. if i may ask you for permission to ask you

a few pointed questions about your theory i would be very grateful for that. politics has changed but governance is still pretty much the same we still have to pay pensions you still have to run schools you have people who can hear you can do that through facebook and twitter and the knobs absolutely only about fifty and i'm not speaking up and well in many ways pensions and pensions salaries will be paid the electronically so one judge of which will be your credit credit card and everything together i think from the point of view you will come to the same gadgets which is going to be some of the is a government you have to have the capacity. of boards with this is about how do you address people and there is a classical way address and every four or five years people come together they they go for a referendum or election campaign and they like a democratically in some countries democratically they elect the parliament or

a president and then the president or the parliament rules for a while and people give them a credit for this or four or five years sometimes they get fed up with this credit and the credit finishes earlier but that the other would that's the classical way of doing it but the in the twenty first century is going to be permanent. permanent i mean the permanent sort of elections or permanent referendum you say every day big majority of people will be reacting with one this or their own decision i mean that will define the dynamism of decision making at the end at the end of the presidents prime ministers politicians parliamentarians are human and they will be under constant pressure of the their electorate live speaking to them live getting their feedback with life and making their decisions on the size of on the type of the taxation pension paid and how and from which sort of resources they'll be on

the pressure from the from the public as a sort of the public will be involved in this decision making. your own country went through a peaceful transition of power last year and i think the biggest secret of any revolution is that you need to change not only the government but the but the local culture to people around the world they're much more demanding of their authorities down of themselves for example in armenia the grey sector is thirty percent of g.d.p. that's larger than in many other countries how do you persuade the population to be as demanding of themselves as they are of their leaders well noise i figure about more or less exact figure about the of the so-called great great well then as i said is not i.m.f. . the reality is they're out is changing people's culture i mean the way they seeing it's is much more difficult than that the way they act i mean my

assessment the what is happening in armenia today i feel i mean on the on the level of feeling that the political political sort of a. valuation is a lot of ordinary people especially young people to feel freer. feel sort of a confident that they can do better and that's why one or two words that we can hear in our media a lot today is is for example the startup everybody wants to build the startup of course building a start up it's about the innovation being young believing you're a genius but at the end of the start of this is a culture the start of needs infrastructure the start of these connection with the world starts up as at the end of the need venture funds and so on and so forth which are not there i mean there's a big venture fund i mean this should be connected to the world and in fact the venturing today is mostly developed in big countries like united states will be

charged a bit in europe a bit in russia and elsewhere but because the world is interconnected because is the world is becoming even closer and closer because their ideas a real real discoveries will have. sort of a fundamental value i mean every young man will have a chance to believe that he can be the next bill gates or steve jobs there is a popular sumption a. good democrat i say ssion in the former soviet union is only possible through a set of evil democratizing playbook that any country of the former soviet union that to some extent that is the new europe can only democratize on that the e.u. supervision and i think your country is some of them defying that assumption do you think your a stand alone example and do you think it's possible for the former soviet republics to improve themselves without western guidance you know i think the

having a sort of a overall. solution or definition for everybody i think it's a wrong approach or they'll leave for seventy years or more for us in a russian empire than a soviet union and we have a lot of common things person a lie when i travel or when i'm in cause us the norah. when it was based on or i mean said that this berg i feel oh but that's me maybe then and i think it's very important for the next generation of people that we were growing both in russia below to sort of as a son or armenia they have they should have the same feelings because we i mean common culture has i mean common culture has has a great value too but on the other side we are different so i will not even try to have to have a sort of a standard solution for everybody a stand that will be put on this is the stand for in fact this is not something new in my life or a belief in my life when i was prime minister in one thousand seats as a sort of

a rebellion i was a young prime minister. who knew what i wanted to do a great friends if the support of should not was and was although we had the big difference in our ages it was a good friend of mine and i knew a lot of politicians in the west but i rebelled for example when the when the world bank and i.m.f. came to me as saying this is the plan this is what you have to do that i'm sorry i cannot accept that and i went to washington to have the serious discussions then with jim wolfensohn and i bet a presentation at the board of the world bank which is not the standard thing to do in fact i got the support of the russian director those at that they had surprising the whole idea was that we can you cannot develop our army know with this program that comes let's say from africa or somewhere well and here just last month your current prime minister nicolas kind of film mounted that america doesn't support it

doesn't comment enough on the armenian democracy why do you think he cares about what wattle there whether the sun the minority here to comment on the wall at my prime as it has with the to say first of all i mean you know is a parliamentary republic and the role of the president is not. the role of commentator of what they were this or that politicians including the prime minister had a source and i i'm sorry for phrase that it was overweight first of all so it's not uncomfortable it's let me rephrase it i'm sure you would agree that the relationship in the united states is important for your country because it's a major source of foreign investment there's a larger meaning diaspora there and the other it's clear that the united states is kind of apprehensive not only of armenia's relationship with russia but also i mean his relationship with iran do you think armenia has what it takes to balance those relationships in

a way that the people who only benefits without consequences because this is mistaken can deliver consequences we all know so heard your evaluation again i want to repeat the thing i think in the parliamentary republic it is government the prime minister the foreign minister who are formulating the foreign policy of armenia not the president so from this point of view i would agree with you with that idea and the mini indeed has to have. good relations with the united states army indeed has to have good relations with european union in fact i mean as you know in one thousand and seventeen. twenty third's of the member has signed an agreement with the european union and the armenian indeed the dollar has to have very close relations with russia and this relations are historic i want to ask you about your personal account of a somebody because you recently were caught on camera. chatting about something

with joe biden the the former vice president of the united states and c.n.n. speculated that this was about his possible presidential bid deep he tell you anything newsworthy about that well again the if even the he did not going to say this publicly be it when the. and i think i will. i will say yes or no if i get a permission from mr biden himself because there's a simple i think of behavior even between politicians so i know joe biden for a while for several years would bet there we had discussions and i think we both. felt that cameras and we think that was a part of our discussion it was very very sort of a. no intensity and but very friendly so you know you are not the first i miss c.n.n. wanted to find out what they say we are the journalist ressa simple minded i mean

they were there and i think you don't have to wait alone because at the end of the days mr budding going to run for presidency or not it's quite obvious and you will you have already had the answers for the last two years mr biden has been telling audiences around the united states that. that's too shall pass and he was referring to donald trump i'm going to involved in notions of quantum politics once again and do you think based from that perspective do you think trump as a phenomenon is going to be over in two years you know again i thing where we're changing the subject at the end of the i'm not going to try to him and tried to. give value a shadow of mr trump the not asking for evaluation of him but other than only that he represents whether any of us any of us including you including me if not today but tomorrow will become

a human being with quantum of sort of the fichu in our lives in our professional life in our political live and so on and so forth there are some politicians but there's some countries the you can see if you can see them today and mr trump i think you like talking about mr trump because i know your life talking about he he well i love to i like to i love to speak about quantum politics and will like to speak about the future of this world and at the end of the day when we politicians we come and go our discussion was initially about the future of this of this world i mean will i be the proud president the why me and will not it will have some impact but at the end of the this world is changing to changing quite rapidly for the moment away are you very much involved in finding out who said what and how he said our internal relations and

and interaction and problems between the states it when european union briggs's russia the lawyer things that is in a very important things but in the meantime there are also other important things which are happening now on this planet let's take for example everybody speaks important things there are but it speaks about. about how we are damaging our environment some countries are making an effort to reduce their carbon production from x. amount to the next amount but the reality is that that issue is absolutely serious one why it is serious because if we're honest to each other. even if the world will decide tomorrow. there are military expenditures and spend all of that money on making this planet greener it will take a lot of time in the meantime this planet is having a lot of problems this is one issue no matter how much we invest

a day or renewables that path is going to be quite a long one it will be shorter if we will start using again i mean fighting or fear against nuclear start using nuclear again that will become shorter but we are we have this produces with nuclear and in russia. i like nuclear as well as at the end of the day before fukushima the world had overcome the fear of chernobyl and the world the world starting in europe and china everywhere but it was starting talking about nuclear war sure noble and. the end of the as a result of human they're not the technomage so even if we introduce the nuclear into the basket steel the time will be huge still will damage this planet so much that it will be very very difficult to return it back i have to thank you for being

so gracious. thank you very much for your perspective thank you very much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media. same place same time here on worlds apart. during the great depression. mr remember there was most of the family were unemployed working class there wasn't it was bed you know much worse objectively than today but there was an expectation that things were going to get better. there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america where shaped by the

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