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that exhibit disrespect for international behavior why do we continue to fuel the war i have no problems with saying these weapons are made to kill. our demand is kevin owen and he's going to be here with fresh news bulletin for you next hour right now though cross talk looks at how the growing persecution of christians in many countries is being swept under the carpet you are watching it with. a low in welcome to all things to consider and i'm peter lavelle a recent report from the u.k.'s foreign office highlights in detail the persecution of christians around the world in the middle east the cradle appreciate. christians

face extinction why is it deemed politically incorrect to defend the west foundational religion. cross-talk in the state of christianity i'm joined by my guest it in front home in copenhagen she's a theologian political commentator as well as founder of the you tube channel her own home talks in belfast we have david vance he's a political commentator as well as the editor of news media dot net and in london we cross to peter tatchell he is a human rights activists all right cross talk rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let me go to evan 1st in copenhagen. it really took me aback after the fire at northridge. the way they talked about the catastrophe in terms of turf them architecture but the fact that it was a place of worship for christians was very rarely mentioned also after sri lanka 2

luminaries that bill clinton and i'm sorry brock obama and hillary clinton referred to easter worshippers well i don't know what that is no one worships easter but they were obviously avoiding the using the word christian in christians why is that go ahead. that's a very good questions because nobody has been able to answer that and so this last couple of weeks it's a big mystery why. i think you can say that secularists has seen chris tennessee as its enemy for a long time and democrats and leftists and also globalists they only believe that nicol minorities women. and homosexuals can be victims not christians white men and christians are evil people so to say so i think you can say in that regard it would be political correct to say these things but i think there is a deeper reason i thought. a lot about this and i was

a 1000000 you tube video on it on my own channel and i think there's a spiritual reason for this i think globalists there actually and that's not something we talk about a lot in the political comments commentaries but i think that they have a sort of you know dark side and it means that they have a kind of hatred against christianity because what globalism really wants is to turn over the christian world order and implement and you believe system and they have to get rid of christianity for this or to carry out this plan and i think that's why they don't do anything to stop persecutions of christians and i think i'd like to think it's right to say that that there is a kind of demonic element in it because it's not because it's really not rational because we have so many human rights movements and it's really a mystery why nobody everybody is really

a silent about christmas and if you they've interesting thing when we go to peter in this u.k. report highlights that christians are the most persecuted people in the world and on a very massive scale in where a lot of that is happening is in muslim dominated countries but you don't hear human rights reports coming out at least the one coming out of the u.k. foreign office seems to be a bit of an anomaly isn't there a double standard in play is it to oppression and discrimination really at the core of this but one is mentioned one is not peter in london go ahead. well i have to say that all the major human rights organizations have reported about the persecution of christians in north africa the middle east in south asia and many other parts of the world now i've been champing this course myself for many many decades i just want to add a caveat. christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world they're not the most persecuted group per se but they are certainly the most persecuted

rivera's square and i think it's very important as you mentioned that we do highlight this anomaly the way in which some people in public life seem to be reluctant or slow or completely failing but peter to address this where here is a crucial because it is really trying reluctance come from peter. i think it's a fear of perhaps alienating other religions which is a nonsensical argument or justification i think it's also partly because i suppose christianity has been hedging monic for many many centuries and has been behind many great persecutions particularly of women and people who are old g.b.t. but that is not an excuse there's not a justification and i say this myself as a human rights defender who happens to be gay and also a leftist that i believe the persecution of christians is an issue that everyone

should be concerned about and the governments around the world should be acting upon it day david why has the west turned its back on christians particularly in the middle east here you'll see at the bottom of the screen when you watch the program the numbers in syria and in iraq i mean this is a catastrophe absolute catastrophe for these christian communities and you know by the way christians are protected in the area that the assad government has control of in syria outside of that they are persecuted and an ethnic cleansing as it were being carried out and what you don't hear much about it it's because it's christian . that are the big tims here if it were not their group you'd probably hear a whole lot more go ahead david. yeah i suspect you would hear a considerable amount more if it was other groups the fact of the matter is paper that i think in general terms it's because there's a widespread ignorance of the scale of the issue in the government report to which you refer it's suggests that a rowing 3 quarters of

a 1000000000 christians are persecuted are running the world it also suggests that 4 out of 5 or if you like 80 percent of those people of religious views facing persecution or christian it also suggests that a running $3000.00 questions are put to death each year or so so that's the reality check in this one this is massive wide scale global persecution of christians noise when you then sort of consider well you know what's what's causing this well we do have to then ask peter the very obvious question who's doing the persecuting and the reality are that it varies but predominantly in those countries islamised countries christians are being persecuted essentially to the point of extinction also in communist regimes like china north korea christians on a date all other faiths are being persecuted so we need to read is the fundamental

the wordless of the fact that christians are the biggest issue but i mean when did you last hear anyone talk about christian a phobia we certainly hear enough peter of other forms of you for being silent but not a christian no phobias and yet christians are being wiped off the face of the earth so we need to face end of the issues on the challenge even in the wake of the of the destruction of military dom it's bound ational roof. i like to think of myself as pretty well informed i mean media is my business i had no idea how many churches are attacked and defaced in france. every single year and the numbers are astronomically high from a year ago and it only if you took that tragedy for me to become aware of the scale of the attacks on places of christian worship in france ok part of the west here what is happening there and what is being done about it because it seems like the authorities don't care go ahead a bit just in 2018 there were

a 1000 churches that were vandalized just in france and nobody really wrote about it. it was completely silence and again i would like to stress that the western political elite and a lot of the western culture is at war with itself at war with his own tradition and that's why they don't stop this is genocide against christians because they need to get rid of the christian church the christian war is to implement a new world order to implement a new belief system because christianity actually gives people light to understand what is the truth and to give person freedom and this is exactly what they don't want i mean it is a kind of anti-christian spirit that is at work and normally in this but it will progress we don't talk about spiritual matters but we need to do that because you can't understand what's going on in the world today if you don't understand that underneath the political agenda there is a spiritual agenda and it's not really rational but is full of hatred against christianity because nobody can explain why in these human rights times that nobody

really cares about the christians and in france so many churches has been attacked then the lies you know statues has been broken they have taken out the host has spread all over europe unaided on the virgin mary. had been even cut off the head of a virgin mary is that you lately and it's also taking place now in scotland recently just a few weeks ago there were 2 churches and scotland that had the same treatment it's all over the place it's globally and that's why i say it is the globalist who sits back and. and they do nothing about this because they want it and i even think that they are making islam do the dirty job so to say because it is the western elite that is behind all of this and we have to be aware of that it's ourselves we have turned on i mean we have turned against ourselves and i think this is a really big tragedy and a catastrophe you know. i think that the thing that is that we go back to peter in

london i mean if we have so much thought police right now you have to be very very sensitive when you're when you're dealing with people with different sexual orientations if you have a certain if your skin color is darker than mine i have to be on guard because i have to be careful what i say but smearing and looking down at christians there's no there's no penalty for that 00 ok it is taken as a norm that you know you can you can slander christians and you'll have no downside . go ahead peter go to suffer one correction you said that in syria in the areas controlled by the government christians are not persecuted but they are persecuted no there there that is not true that is not true that you're wrong you're to run peter i'm sorry you're wrong i said you said you said in the areas controlled by president assad christians are not persecuted that's what is true but then you went on to say they are persecuted elsewhere in syria yes they are is not true now that

is an absolutely that is absolute you let me finish please can you let me finish they are not persecuted in the kurdish controlled areas and they're not persecuted in the areas controlled by the democratic opposition they are persecuted in the area i hold i'm not sure whether your democratic opposition is ok i would call them terrorists and one thing are you going on hearing on correct hang on the data go to the opposition controls a large areas of northern syria around isis isis are. isis i'll go as you are they still bring iraq to me can you once you know i have to rudely i have to fact check you i have to back check you ok r i'm alive and then you can refer to go to a short break it's harder exactly i apologize me with out into rather short break we'll continue our discussion on christianity save 40.

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welcome back across like we're all things considered i'm peter bell we're discussing the state of christianity in the world. ok let's go back to london with peter we were talking about the persecution of christians in syria go ahead. yeah you are correct in saying that christians are not persecuted in the areas controlled by president that is correct but then you went on to say they are persecuted in other areas well we'll just have to disagree on through what does happen if we are not through which is not true let me explain why christians are not persecuted in the kurdish controlled areas and they're not persecuted in the areas controlled by the democratic opposition and every friday after prayers there are mass protests in those democratic controlled areas where

the people there protest against both president and against the islamic extremists ok you made your point here i'm going to go to david i know you cannot for the democratic opposition doesn't exist in syria ok i get a j are terrorists and hopefully they will be thrown out of live as soon as possible so christians won't be using a excuse me i gave me i want to finish what i like what else will he do i want to see you make another many employees like the same point twice you know i know i don't i don't want to talk about that it points i want to make another i have created a separate point i'm sorry i want to listen to separate companies it's not your point go ahead david go ahead other people are given a chance i would like these aren't you to make your point your field filibustering please stop doing it david jump in can you please let me finish my i want your mike i want to go to my other guest david. go ahead dave thanks very much peter i mean look the you know the fundamental issue is here having this discussion regarding

the level of persecution of christians in parts of syria misses that it does miss the fundamental issue here we're talking about the global persecution of christian people and we're not really dealing with the fact that one of the fundamental drivers of the persecution is the rice off islam and that's very uncomfortable for some people to take on board and you know is a factor that we clearly see in islamic countries that the concerning thing which amban just pointed out is when we look at the west and we look at what we see in france and italy and other european countries we do see what looks like very much like the beginnings of the continue of persecution of christians in the heart of europe a society which was so much to its christian heritage so that's deeply concerning and we see it for example in london when we see christian preachers being in the street being arrested by the police so it's very peculiar to see this this

persecution of this truly religion of peace but you know peter maybe that's a reason point people find it such an easy target because unlike certain other religions christians tend not to fight back it's endemic within the faith that they have and that we have but that perhaps then makes some people think that christianity is such an easy touch when in fact christians deserve the same respect as every and any other faith you have in the great irony of all of this here is that the more europe becomes secular the more it becomes islamic and i don't see minorities and people of different sexual orientations would fare very well if europe were to turn into a. absalom continent go ahead it been you know i think it's very right that it is very alarming that islam is on the rise in europe but the only reason why they're

able to attack christians even in europe is because our goldmans do not do anything about it the reason why europe is becoming more and more islamic is because of the weakness of the christians or our governments who has you know turned against christianity the reason why that europe is becoming more and more islamic is because we have this spiritual void so islam is just filling out some kind of empty room we have and as long as we don't understand this and we don't acknowledge this it will just go on and on it's not enough just to close the borders and to have some kind of put some kind of political. agenda which is trying to tighten up the islamic. influence in europe it is a spiritual thing here and no it's very disturbing are not unusual for people who are watching you know political programs to deal with spirituality but it is a spiritual problem it is a spiritual war more than it is a political struggle and i think in europe is

a losing it because we have lost the faith and our governments is even against a christian world order they want to implement some kind of globalist world order which is and any type christian society we already see of the breakdown of nations same sex marriages the attack on the on the on the traditional family things like that gender so everything that belongs to belongs to that to the christian world all is being broken down and islam going to take over but even i mean but you make the most important point is that if christians are not going to defend their own faith and who will. yeah but we are so spoiled we're going to know that i mean we are used to that our governments will take care of it and we are very naive because we believe in democracy and you know. freedom of speech and all these things but then many christians are right now who cannot talk about their faith because they're going to get punished for it because the folk please is already there you

cannot you know say anything against same sex marriages you cannot say anything against to endanger isman all the old christian values are politically incorrect so it means that you are it's already you know taking place here in europe christian persecution and then in the last subtle way and christians really have to wake up and see that i have to fight for that when i guess if i think you're right i mean and it has to start there peter did it to switch gears a little bit here you think one of the reasons why or western governments don't speak out more about the persecution of christians in the middle east is because the the united states and its allies have been conducting so many illegal wars in the middle east it's kind of embarrassing that they are the legal invasion for example of iraq is really damaged the vitality of the christian community there and then the illegal occupation of american troops in syria i mean if you start

meeting that yeah our politics in the region is hurting these communities that might be a reason for them not to do it anymore go ahead peter. well you're true that in some people's eyes christians are going to fight with the west so when the west does bad things whether it be in afghanistan or iraq or wherever people do tend to blame christians and it's very unfair to blame individual christians for the actions of western governments that that is a gross. generalization and making a connection which is not there but i would say that going back to the main thrust of this debate that it is true that in muslim majority countries the persecution of christians is most severe but not all muslim people share that persecution and i agree i agree why the lagering sure that ok i work quite a lot supporting christians persecuted pakistan and time and time again i've come

up with or met or dealt with muslim people in pakistan who have defended their christian neighbors and shopkeepers and their churches well we mustn't make generalization that's a very good point to the point about the value about the christian church in the west i mean even today the christian church in the west is leading the battle against the right human rights of there's been gay bisexual and transgender people it's opposing women's reproductive rights it in many cases is opposing relationship and sex education in schools to try and reduce teenage pregnancies abortions and hiv infections so the christian churches or some of them in the west are still playing quite a negative but that gets down roll they believe in god gets into a big debate about should this state. stablish what is of value in morality and that is the great debate and that's the great tension there david you've been so

patient go ahead. you know patience is a virtue. one of the things people are just pitter just reference pakistan and i mean i think that's an interesting scenario because in pakistan we do see fierce persecution of christians and not resulted in one christian lady. b.b. basically having you know being sentenced to execution. and she applied to get sanctuary here in the u.k. and the u.k. government to its eternal shame said no and why did they say no peter that's a good question and the reason that the u.k. government said no to providing asylum to this lady facing execution for fear was because it might upset communities in the u.k. upset i think it's very reasonable to lask upset yeah which might be upset and

a lot of my ideas on how they are going to get us out of this i don't know how are those let me finish go ahead yeah you're absolutely right peter it is corridors because the government uses the word upset it's a euphemism if the government has further information it should have provided that but at the end of the day the british government was quizzed quite prepared to let a lady a christian lady in pakistan facing execution die rather than give her shit sanctuary what does that say about the state of christianity here in the u.k. never mind anywhere else i wake conniving spineless government that's what we have . bin what do christians need to do i mean i agree with much of what you have to say here but it seems the weakest link are christians themselves yes that's right it's not the strength of islam but it is the weakness of the christians that is the problem so christians at least in the western part of the world really need to be

able to be warriors to fight and also be ready to dive for their faith i mean that's how the christian faith spread and the roman empire it was because christians were would stand up for their beliefs and they would be ready to die with very spoiled we're not ready to die for anything where we just won the welfare state or to care for it and you know everything is distill right but we need to learn that time is changing and we cannot depend on our governments to print to protect our churches and our faith so i think we have to go back to the catacombs so to say and fired and i'm curious to see whether this is going to happen in the western world because we see it everywhere in the middle east where it's very dangerous to be a christian you see christian standing up for the faith and actually in the middle east the christian faith is growing and a lot of muslims are converting to christianity even let me let me jump in here let me give peter the last 30 seconds in london peter go ahead. i totally agree that we

must defend the right of christians to hold their beliefs but not their right to discriminate against others and sadly here in britain many of the christian churches have supported legal discrimination they are going for service really gay and bisexual and trying their i.d. there's a lot that is very very wrong because later could you not interrupt me please i let you i listen to you polite you got an offer of a say on it or. can you let me start on rumi the road is not all right and we're going to you time being rude to each other we've run out of time a lot more could and so many thanks to my guests and one. in belfast and in copenhagen and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time and remember.

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