and my gravelle joins me now via skype from birmingham in california thanks so much and mike for coming on the show before we even get to your campaign for 2020 what do you make of mike compare the u.s. secretary of state claiming in effect that you and jeremy corbyn are disgusting for not supporting a coup in venezuela well of course what he's suggesting that we should join in the murder that's going on in those well keep in mind with our sanctions that are going to be thousands of children they're going to be dying as a result of just who and how could he get a straight face talk about going in and pull a new crew off another coon tree and then let me know this is against its national law this. law in the united states and it can only be perpetrated because trump who knows the cystic fool bumping a.o. is a religious nut you know he thinks that he's been ordered by god to. ok well peo

may say that and some may agree with you but it is the european union as well as washington that want the overthrow of the doro even your a contender fellow competitor a contender for the presidency or the primaries for the d.n.c. said my duro is a terrible man if the european union and washington who want regime change well it has been a product of american imperialism and there's something that the brits should look something above but armor could improve. the idea that we are shapira to anybody you know we can back it up with are ridiculous expenditures on military hardware we have no business sanctioning people we're sanctions sanctions are chacon the lowest part of ringback the society for saying she the poor dear wants and suffer as a reason. all of the sanctions deliberate and just look at it they can join whom

you know he has missed a meal in quite a while and so the early sanctions effective no just a contrary. and the sanctions are in moral because when thousands of children die which is for sure and a sanctions against iraq under clinton's presidency then 500000 children die and our foreign secretary metal all great sort of workers has the fortune ringback there's actual adderall damage well my little fright said it's a price worth paying but then of course this policy continues now with iran surprised about the differing policies from the d.n.c. candidates on iran you think joe biden will support the u.s.s. abraham lincoln being sent to the persian gulf to threaten iran of course you and joe voted for the war you know joe's conventional wisdom which the american

imperialism the republican party will point in time is really up to reveals that they are the shrunken party but the democratic party you know as you know that slate we were there during early you know under barack obama hillary clinton and worse and. savage 7 times the legitimate election early we know that from wiki leaks of course from the protest or e-mails obviously the founder of wiki leaks is under a detention of the term by the un i'm going to want to get into that a bit more in a 2nd but perhaps one reason the so-called mainstream media doesn't want to cover you like say there's you know john protests in paris is that you're not a centrist like micro or about the parties in westminster here or get your friend joe biden but you don't have any center. was centrism today is right you know it's

about half way too far right that's occurred in our country since clinton who really moved us to the right end and of course this is what we hear from the from biden is that you know he's a centrist you know centrist. if you vote for the wars in your century or warmonger and you buy into all the crazy expenditures of the military industrial complex that non-essential as a centrist would be a person that would act in a balanced fashion between what's going on domestically and what's going on internationally and then going round the world and instigating coup like were did were done in the in venezuela like we did in the well the coup that we did was just horrible because after the coups take place you have nothing nothing but confusion

energy and then loss of life even bernie sanders his to be toning down his rhetoric about venezuela he is speaking up about iran though is that the reason you're running to pull the agenda in that more progressive line because some people might say well why don't you just support money thought isn't forget it that the regional and in the race has to pull the entire group to the left in l. and up and centrist but but the effort to pull things to the left in my mind is just logic well what it was so illogical about one piece i'm an advocate for 2 things basically one is peace on earth and and you can accomplish that with considering wars in 2 that even if good people get elected to office what we need is to bring people into the operation of government as long.

makers' obviously clinton was a war candidate obama was a war candidate but trump arguably was the peace candidate he was the one thing he didn't want wars and look what happened 1st off i don't think he's smart enough to realize what. they were giving him. and so they feel it belated him when you get the national security advisor claims that he ordered. an aircraft carrier. to go into the persian gulf will never seen that in the days of henry kissinger who really brought sway he never ordered as if it was ordered it was done behind closed doors but no bolters is such an egomaniac and you know rid of horrible human being if he were to have his way we be at war on time we go behind us of course yours is netanyahu and israel were trying to gin up a war with iran we're trying to gin up

a war with the venezuela who say from us at this point in the world and i go into the whole nuclear problem that we face which isn't sent in any country that button to that doesn't realize here if we are spending somewhere around 3 trillion dollars to refurbish our nuclear arsenal the government says $1.00 trillion but they don't count the normal cost overruns but what does that mean that means that we're spending this money to develop additional weapons or better weapons when the point of fact is the mother of boondoggles because again usuals weapons we've seen now and i know ma the representative there has been accused of anti-semitism for raising israeli power in the united states but he sont is obviously his family some of whom perished in the holocaust is being accused of antisemitism. you think

you are because ready semitism for calling out netanyahu i don't know and i don't care that the this is a yahoo is an evil person and if you love israel you have to post anything but anderson yeah you presumably have seen some of these wiki leaks then sent me about the pedestrian mails or their reaction to hearing that british authorities have detained julian a sunday in london well 1st up i was very disappointed by the actions of the u.k. . i don't like many many people who are a little meyer the good side of u.k. nutley imperial 6 i think but doing it to american pressure which is so typical this is the 2nd world war thing on earth because you u.k.'s losses its encourage all then thank god it's lost its imperial power because that was not the best part of the u.k.

julian or sunshine my mind is a hero. and along with chelsea manning. and and and the person who. wasn't more over the apparent us legal or other world using our technical capabilities to spy on others to sabotage we did that in iran when will we get it there and try to. change the codes under centrifuges in iran. that china's whitish they have the ability to take a technology that we developed and use it on us and we we resent for it we resent that they resent what we did to them do you think julian assad would get a fair trial if the british authorities here agree to him being exposed extradited to the usa no if he wouldn't get a fair trial they hit the. so that's a that's

a given anybody who reveals the inner workings of government to the people and of course that's that's that's a given that has to take place has to people know what their government's doing then of course they don't they don't impact on the policies of government so how can the people right now the united states. express themselves on moving the carrier flotilla into the persian gulf what it what is a body going to do mainstream media will sustain and just reported as fact but what kind of people do buy get you are at liberty and you together with daniel ellsberg help to promote the pentagon papers which revealed the lies told to the american public about the war in vietnam but you are at liberty so what do you mean the secrets can't be told well of course i meant liberty but here i don't get the last time you saw me under any means a.b.c. n.b.c. you know mainstream media the mainstream media is controlled lock stock and barrel

by wall street and the military industrial complex and that's the tragedy in our society because there's no tools to alter that my gravelle thank you after the break because disgusting to see the leaders in not only the united kingdom the united states as well. who continue to support the murderous dictator dictator but europe in his 1st international interview since his suspension britain's former shadow fire and emergency services minister chris williamson explicitly responds to us secretary of state mike compares damnation of jeremy corporal jeremy corbin arguably fails to best to raise a baby on the n.h.s. of b.m.p. use as he avoids criticising a former us health care boss now running british full health kept all of them all going up about to have going underground.

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we have a situation that is very new and that's why. it's like i feel like before there were 2 people who were in the morning and there was no. school board you know the 2 so the boy it was through to the right of the world and to. the as a medical man the widespread complicity in school coated people today. in many diseases because of this would you coolly broke up the. welcome back you think labor leader jeremy cool been would be on safe ground criticizing drazen made over the n.h.s. wednesday is the deadline for a new doctor's contract and critics of the u.k.

n.h.s. must a plan by former u.s. health care multi-national boss simon stevens accuse it of formally ending britain's universal health care. dunder a tory government spending on the n.h.s. an investment in is less than it was under labor and even with the funding announcement remains the same case mr speaker the complacent attitude and platitudes hide the reality that under the tories our health service is going through the longest funding squeeze in history but hang on if you'd been watching this show he would have seen that the crisis in britain's health care system is not necessarily a question of funding there it's government funding is hoff as a percentage of g.d.p. the dole trump funds the us system here is what g.p. dr bob gild told us about why next week's deadline is so critical after years of blairite labor tory and liberal governments they spent years disintegrating the n.h.s. breaking up between purchaser and provider but what the integration that simon

stevens is proposing is the integration of budgets before they're handed over to the insurance companies yes dr gillis is alleging a bribe contract that will lead to privatisation so as long as jeremy corbyn doesn't talk about a structured contract that may end the n.h.s. when already government leader tourism a can arguably brush away his jibes at the last general election somebody said the following they said that an extra 7000000000 pounds for the n.h.s. would give our n.h.s. the resources it needs to deliver the best possible care for patients i want to do that well as it was none other than the leader of the opposition is this government giving the n.h.s. 7000000000 is it giving it twice that 14000000000 no it is getting the n.h.s. 28000000000. i'm proud of this government and the conservative party his record on the n.h.s. but will that funding disappear into the pockets of the c.e.o.'s of big us multinational health care companies thankfully there was a happy a union of u.k.

and us celebrated opinion queues in between m.p.'s pleading for starving constituents suffering austerity members across the house i'm sure with all. they want to join me in said to my very best wishes to their own highness is that you conduct your successor i join her also in welcoming the birth of the baby to the duke and duchess of sussex and i also can gradually duchess of wessex and wish everyone that's her not her. i suppose the pm suggested the leader of the scottish nationalists congratulate the earl of dun boston because prince harry is also that too but interestingly bunch less mainstream media attention than given to meghan models' baby was given to a celebration of another signal of u.s. u.k. collaboration by prince harry's brother william. 00. one. by the blood of christ yes that's the 2nd in line to the british throne in westminster abbey

heckled with calls of shame on you before you use the bible to celebrate britain's weapons of mass destruction program in scotland it's a multi-billion dollar nuclear weapons of mass killings is the wrong criticised for being dependent on washington consent well joining me now from darby in the east midlands in his 1st interview since his suspension from the british labor party is its form of shadow fire and emergency services minister chris williamson chris thanks so much for coming on the show before we get to are the threats of war all week in britain we've been hearing about are universal health care system the n.h.s. and the g.p. doctors are under one president of pressure do you think it could be part of a campaign to persuade them to sign on to simon stephens' new contract that critics say would be the end of the n.h.s. well certainly the n.h.s. has been under intense pressure from this government since a came to power in 20 turn in the passing of the social care and health act and touched 12 i think it was seen this drive towards privatization and this is just the latest iteration this proposition that's being put to g.p.

is looks on the face of it quite seductive but the truth is it sits dumbing down the service it's going to result. i think in people not getting the care by the professionals that they deserve and indeed pay for through the national surance and taxation system in the in the country and of course what we're seeing is an all time low in the profession more and more g.p.'s leaving and many towns and cities now down with the country are struggling actually to find sufficient to pay so it's little wonder you know that people all waiting you know week or 2 weeks sometimes to get a g.p. appointment and i think this is yet another attempt to try and start to impose busy charging on a system and so is using the you know we really horrible to challenge very very very strongly would you call on doctors not to sign it because jeremy goldman's health secretary drug last word seems not to have said well i certainly have said that and indeed have put something out on social media to that effect i think it's

really important that you know the g.p.'s do refuse to side obviously if there is noncompliance by the g.p.'s then clearly this is a system that cannot be imposed but of course what they're trying to do is to you know as you sort of if you like brought barry in the government to try and persuade g.p.'s to sign up but this is a very very slippery slope and you know people like dr bob gill have being the setting our very cogent argument is too wide g.p. should not sign and so what i've been urging i would anybody who's you know watching this program to to contact the g.p. and say look you know we're happy about this and please don't sign up to it you perhaps suspect i don't know how the british media are going to be covering the fact that your shadow home secretary diane abbott will be addressing mass palestine demos today in london what do you think about the fact that perhaps there will be accusations like they have been repeatedly against your leader jeremy corbyn that

he's an uneasy mind well i think standing up for the palestinian people is the right thing to do they have been grotesquely abused by the israeli state particularly by the us and yahoo were paul. outside regime we've seen casualties running into the 10s of thousands we've seen people who have been injured losing their limbs having to have their arms or legs amputated people paralyzed we've seen doctors here medics journalists children targeted. by the israeli defense force this is a humanitarian catastrophe that the israeli state of visiting upon the palestinian people and i think all right minded british people indeed all right minded people from around the world will support the palestinian people and what we need it seems to me is for the of reilley state to abide by international law they're flagrantly disregarding international law and of being given cover for that by the united states of america is absolute outrage will are going to jump in

a 2nd but israelis say these palestinians are terrorists the b.b.c. kankar sky news another say israel has merely been retaliating to rocket fire from gaza and in fact obviously previous labor shadow certainly haven't addressed palestine demos a big change in labor policy here perhaps well indeed there is a big change and it's a good thing to see that happening i think it's the right thing for the labor party to do and yes i mean the media certainly haven't reported accurately in my opinion the scale of the onslaught from the israeli state and it's almost as if it's never an equal struggle but the truth is this military giant of the israeli state aided and abetted by the united states of america and great britain it's got to be said. you know using their power against a very weak palestinian people and you know it's little wonder that sometimes some militants on the palestinian side you know retaliate but i've spoken to many

people who've been to garz or been to the west bank and they've spoken to you know hundreds of palestinian people i've spoken to. palestinians myself i'm amazed frankly by their dignity and all what they say is all they want to do is it's to live in peace to live side by side but we have this this this this huge ogre of the israeli state inflicting this this is all to destruction on the palestinian people operating an apartheid state in israel itself where palestinians are 2nd class citizens don't have the same rights or under military law as opposed to you know we've really lore and. this is apartheid. large and you know as nelson mandela himself said the you know the struggle is incomplete until the freedom of the palestinian people is is realized so i think you see it's a really good thing that is addressing the rally today and i hope that that will go

a long way toward raising consciousness still further months of british people because we need to bring pressure on the british government to demand that the israeli state boards by international war and you know we should be as a bare minimum in my opinion be recognizing the palestinian state any progress on what speed happening to you in the british parliament any progress on your suspension for alleged anti-semitism well i'm come for that i'll be reinstated by the party i mean these grotesque accusations of no basis whatsoever and i have a submitted a very detailed and robust response to them and obviously the process in the party now which we are going through and they will be low no doubt assessing my response and it is hoping a decision will be made in the fairly near future don trump says he is trying to change things is there's been alleged leaks over his deal of the century from sheldon adelson saying u.s. sanctions military force may be used but he's sending the u.s.

as abraham lincoln to threaten iran he says iran is behind the palestinians what do you think about the prospects for one that donald trump is a menace. seeing this this latest development which is essentially you know brow beating or attempting to browbeat the palestinian north already into submission. with some proposition in relation to the suspects of the occupied territories and with the threat that hamas doesn't go along with it of yet more military action against them i mean this is just so shocking it's a so appalling. you know the leader of the most powerful nation on earth is acting in this bullying hectoring way and and supporting the ottilie of horror and activities of the israeli state well tourism is foreign secretary jeremy hunt

resending next to pompei oh when jeremy hunt threatened iran saying it must not break the nuclear agreement in response to the u.s. violation of it and jeremy hunt indeed sat next to stood next to pompei oh well he said your leader effectively was disgusting visit or courting madore venezuela and a point where indeed he later said it's up to your leader to stop cuba from supporting venezuela well it's a sort of the absurd and frankly i don't think is acceptable for the foreign secretary to stand beside pompei o and allow him to talk in those terms is money trying to interfere in the british democratic process has no right to come to this country and refer to the leader of her majesty's opposition disgusting in that way that's that's that's totally unacceptable completely on diplomatic language if i could put it like that and you know far from be disgusting what jeremy corbyn is doing is been standing up for human rights and you know it's a pity that you know it's the states of america don't don't do that and i'm very

proud actually of the stance that jeremy corbyn has taken on this and indeed not just now but you know throughout his political life actually as a stand up for what's right stood up for the decency and human. it's around the world and frankly you know mike pence and donald trump would do well frankly to take a leaf out of jeremy corbin's book and start to export that piece around the world rather than the the death and destruction that they're currently responsible for is the former head of the cia and he has already said when he was the head of the cia that he wanted to target julian a son she was now in detention in belmarsh prison in london and said you were there demonstrating support nothing from jeremy goldman's in his initial support for science for him not to be extradited to the united states while jeremy has made his position very clear on that and i think that's significant as has di and other made a very strong statement in the house about it and i was as you know i mean regrettably julian assange has now been you know in course aerated now for some

weeks and i think you've been sentenced to a period of time for for skipping bear from istanbul reasons obviously that man should not be in prison in my view most upstanding people in the country do not understand what is happening how can somebody who's only crime really is to expose the most appalling war crimes visited on iraq by the united states of america under indeed has exposed all the. issues which i think you know the united states and all the governments around the world would prefer to keep secret but i think the people have a right to know that's all he's guilty of and you know we should be venerating julius on it rather than locking in a way in belmarsh as he is at the moment because religion thank you. and that's it for the show given just by social media will be back on monday to watch the man who predicted the rise of corbin a very british pool for chris mullin if the labor leaders for good come at the hands of n.y.c. . dream

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if. the war on whistleblowers continues the u.s. charges a former intelligence analyst under the espionage act alleging he turned over classified information about washington's targeted assassination program to the media.