5 the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race. spearing dramatic development only and. i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time time to sit down and talk. time after time say we're going underground as the national demo for palestine much as across britain protesting drazen may and old trumps military backing of slaughter in the middle east in violation of un resolutions coming up in the show is the us 2 party system about to get caught in a gravel launch the 2020 us presidential candidates fighting to push politics left mike gravel on the importance of being loyal to ideas not parties and labor's form

a shadow communities and local government minister chris williamson gives his 1st international interview since his suspension from gary coleman's ponty. chaos in a country down by the un from our new tradition the right honorable gentleman's question must and will be heard that the speaker has to interrupt parliament because someone got the royal title of meghan markle and prince harry wrong all the small coming up in today's going underground but 1st to a man called out this week by donald trump secretary of state mike pompei oh the former cia boss has been in london condemning jeremy coleman for opposing washington's plan to overthrow the government of venezuela it's disgusting to see leaders in not only the united kingdom but in the united states as well. who continue to support the murderous dictator dictator my dear oh pump a 0 in london that condemning the odds on favorite to be the next leader of britain as well. it's possibly the next leader of the usa because mike gravel opposed to

u.k. new u.s. backed regime change in venezuela is running to be president in 2020 why did they hate us so so many places around because we kill so many people want the old joe i'll include you too you have a certain arrogance you want to do want to tell the iraq beef how to run their country we can get off of gasoline in 5 years we'll get off of carbon in years all we gotta do is want to do it just play get out it's their country they're after you know probably and we insist on staying there the military industrial complex not only controls our government lock stock and barrel but the whole our whole and my gravelle joins me now via skype from birmingham in california thanks so much chad mike for coming on the show before we even get to your campaign for 2020 what do you make of mike compare the u.s. secretary of state claiming in effect that you and jeremy corbin are disgusting for not supporting a coup in venezuela well of course what he should suggest saying that we should

join in a murder that's going to lose well keep in mind with our sanctions that are going to be thousands of children they're going to be dying as a result of years coup and how could he with a straight face talk about going in and pulling nuku off the other kook tree let me know this is considered national law this. law in the united states and it can only be perpetrated because trump who's never says 6 full bump. is a religious nut you know he thinks that. ok well peo may say that and some may agree with you but it is the european union as well as washington that want the overthrow of the doro even your a contender fellow competitor contender for. the presidency or the primaries for

the d.n.c. said my duro is a terrible man if the european union and washington who want regime change well it has been the product of american imperialism and there's something that the brits should look something above but armor. based on the idea that we are shapira to anybody you know we can back it up with our ridiculous expenditures on military hardware we have no business sanctioning people we're sanctions sanctions are attack the lowest part of ringback the society that we're saying she too poor to once and suffer as a result of the sanctions deliberate and just look at it they can go on you know he missed a meal in quite a while and so the essentials effective know just a contrary. and the sanctions are in moral because when thousands of

children die which is for sure we had the sanctions against iraq under clinton's presidency then 500000 children die and our foreign secretary medal all right sort of what was the fortunate but ringback this will admiral damage well it matters little strike that it's a price worth paying but then of course this policy continues now with iran surprised about the differing policies from the d.n.c. candidates on iran you think joe biden will support the u.s.s. abraham lincoln being sent to the persian gulf to threaten iran of course you and joe voted for the war in iraq now joe's conventional wisdom which the american imperialism the republican party has point in time is really a sure rails that they are the shrunken party but that the democratic party you know has doesn't have that. slate we are the democratic party you

know under barack obama and hillary clinton and worsening childes savage 7 times the legitimate election early we know that from wiki leaks of course from the protest or e-mails obviously the founder of wiki leaks is under a detention as a victim by the un i'm going to want to get into that a bit more in a 2nd but perhaps one reason the so-called mainstream media doesn't want to cover you like say there's you know john protests in paris is that you're not a centrist like micro or about the parties in westminster here or get your friend joe biden but i'll get back to centrism was centrism today is right you know it's about half way too far right that's occurred in our country since clinton who really moved us to the right and of course this is what we hear from. from biden is that you know he's

a centrist he knows centrist. if you vote for the wars in yours and sheer war mongering and all the crazy expenditures of the mills english accomplish that 1st centuries the centrist would be a person that would act in a balanced fashion between what's going on in domestic really and what's going on internationally and underworld and instigating coup like were did were done in the us will. well look. it up he was just horrible because ashley who's a place you have nothing nothing but confusion in are key in loss of life even bernie sanders has to be toning down his rhetoric about venezuela he is speaking up about iran though is that the reason you're running to pull the agenda in that more progressive line because some people might say well why don't you just want one. i thought isn't forgiven that the regional am in the

race has to pull the entire group to the left in ill wind up and centrist but but the effort to pull things to the left in my mind is just logic well when it was so illogical about one piece i'm an advocate for 2 things basically one is peace on earth and and you can accomplish that with considering wars into that even if good people get elected to office what we need is to bring people into the operation of government as lawmakers obviously clinton was a war candidate obama was a war camp of 8 but trump arguably was the peace candidate he was the one thing he didn't wars and look what happened 1st off i don't think he's smart enough to realize what bolton do company or giving him. and so they can it related

him when you get the national security advisor claims that he ordered. an aircraft carrier for to go into the persian gulf well we've never seen that in the days of henry kissinger who really didn't brush way he never ordered as if it was ordered it was done behind closed doors but no bolters is such an egomaniac and you know really horrible human being if he were to have his way we be at war on time we go behind us of course years because netanyahu and israel were trying to gin up a war with iran we're trying to gin up a war with the venezuela who say from us at this point in the world they are in a hurry to go into our own nuclear problem that we face which is insanity in any country that button to that doesn't realize here if we are spending some.

around 3 trillion dollars to refurbish our nuclear arsenal the government says $1.00 trillion but they don't count the normal cost overruns but what does that mean that means that we're spending this money to develop additional weapons or better weapons when the point of fact is the mother of boondoggles because again usuals weapons we've seen now and i know ma the representative there has been accused of anti-semitism for raising israeli power in the united states but he thought is obviously who's family some of whom perished in the holocaust is being accused of anti-semitism you think you are because ready semitism for calling out netanyahu i don't know and i don't care that the this is a yahoo is an evil person and if you love israel you have to oppose anything but anderson yeah you presumably have seen some of these wiki leaks then

certainly about the pedestrian mails what your reaction to hearing that british authorities have detained julian songe in london well 1st up i was very disappointed by the actions of the u.k. . like many many people who were a little bit mired the good side of u.k. not the imperial 6 i think but doing it by going to american pressure. which is so difficult this is the 2nd world war thing on. you case losses it's in korea will then thank god slots that some period of hours because that was not the best part of the u.k. julian or sunshine my mind is the hero. and along with chelsea manning. and then in the person who. wasn't more over the legal run the world using our technical people bill. all of these to spy on the

others to sabotage we did that in iran when we would it there and tried to. change the code and the centrifuges in iran. that china's whitish they have the ability to take a technology that we developed and use it on us you know and we and we resent for years we resent that they resent what we did to them do you think julian is onto would get a fair trial if the british authorities here agree to him being exposed extradited to the usa no if he he would get a fair trial they his it that the that's a that's a given anybody who reveals the inner workings of government to the people in a force that that that's a given that has to take place has the people on the other governments do it and then of course they don't they don't impact on the policies of government so how

can the people right now in the united states. express themselves on an unmoving the carrier for the kill into the persian gulf what or what is it about he going to do mainstream media will sustain in just reporting this fact but what kind of people do both by give you are at liberty and you together with daniel ellsberg helped to promote the pentagon papers which revealed the lies told to the american public about the war in vietnam but you are at liberty so what do you mean the secrets company told well of course i meant liberty but here. we witness the last time you saw me and then you mean a.b.c. n.b.c. you know the mainstream media the mainstream media is controlled a large stock and barrel but i was 3 and the military industrial complex and this a tragedy in our society because there's no tools to author that microphone alpha care after the break. to see leaders in not only the united kingdom but the united

states as well. who continue to support the murderous dictator dictator material in his 1st international interview since his suspension britain's former shadow fire and emergency services minister chris williamson explicitly responds to us secretary of state mike bump ayos damnation of jeremy corbett and jeremy colvin arguably fails to best to raise a baby on the n.h.s. a pm pugh's as he avoids criticising a former us health care boss now running british universal health care. about to have going underground. we have a situation that is very new and that's why. it's like

a free labor for there were 2 people were dying in the morning and there was no end to the school board you know the 2 so the border was through to the right of the world and. as a medical man the widespread example spirit is good coated people today. in many diseases because of this would you call that a. welcome back you think labor leader jeremy corbyn would be on safe ground criticising juries in may of the n.h.s. wednesday is the deadline for a new doctor's contract and critics of the u.k. n.h.s. master plan by former us health care multi-national boss simon stevens accuse it of formally ending britain's universal health care service to under a tory government spending on the n.h.s. and investment in is less than it was under labor and even with the funding

announcement remains the same case mr speaker the complacent attitude and platitudes hide the reality that under the tories our health service is going through the longest funding squeeze in history but hang on if you'd been watching this show he would have seen that the crisis in britain's health care system is not necessarily a question of funding there it's government funding is hoff as a percentage of g.d.p. the donald trump funds the us system here is what g.p. dr bob guild told us about why next week's deadline is so critical after years of blairite labor tory and liberal governments they spent years disintegrating the n.h.s. breaking up between purchaser and provider but what the integration that simon stevens is proposing is the integration of budgets before they handed over to the insurance companies yes dr gail is alleging a bribe contract that will lead. privatisations so as long as jeremy corbyn doesn't talk about a structured contract that may end the n.h.s.

when already government needed to raise or make an arguably brushed away his jibes at the last general election somebody said the following they said that an extra 7000000000 pounds for the n.h.s. would give our n.h.s. the resources it needs to deliver the best possible care for patients i want to do that well as it was none other than the leader of the opposition is this government giving the n.h.s. 7000000000 is it getting it twice that 14000000000 no it is getting the n.h.s. 28000000000. i'm proud of this government and the conservative policies record on the n.h.s. but will that funding disappear into the pockets of the c.e.o.'s of big us multinational health care companies thankfully there was a happy a union of u.k. and us celebrated opin queues in between m.p.'s pleading for starving constituents suffering austerity members across the house i'm sure would also want to join me in said to my very best wishes to their royal highnesses that you conduct your successor and join her also in welcoming the birth of the baby to the duke and

duchess of sussex can i also congratulate lead you can duchess of wessex and wish him to win this one of course. since the pm suggested the leader of the scottish nationalists congratulate the earl of dumb boston because prince harry is also that too but interestingly a bunch less mainstream media attention then given to make it more calls baby was given to a celebration of another signal of u.s. u.k. collaboration by prince harry's brother william. by the blood of christ yes that's the 2nd in line to the british throne in westminster abbey had called recalls of shame on you before you use the bible to celebrate britain's weapons of mass destruction program in scotland it's a multi. 1000000000 dollar nuclear weapons of mass killings is the wrong criticize for being dependent on washington sent well joining me now from darby in the middle and in his 1st interview since his suspension from the british labor party is its

form a shadow fire and emergency services minister chris williamson chris thanks so much for coming on the show before we get to the threats of war all week and britain we've been hearing about are universal health care system the n.h.s. and the g.p. doctors are under president the pressure could be a part of a campaign to persuade them to sign on to simon stephens' new contract that critics say would be the end of the n.h.s. well certainly the n.h.s. has been under intense pressure from this government since they came to power in 20 turn in the passing of the social care and health act in touch 12 i think it was seen this drive towards privatization and this is just the latest iteration this proposition that's being put to g.p. is looks on the face of it quite seductive but the truth is it's system going down the the service it's going to result i think in people not getting the care by the professionals that they deserve and indeed pay for through the national surance and

taxation system in the in the country and of course what we're seeing is an all time low in the profession more and more g.p.'s leaving and you know many towns and cities now and on that the country are struggling actually to find sufficient to pay so it's little wonder you know the people all waiting you know a week or 2 weeks sometimes to get a g.p.s. appointment and i think this is yet another attempt to try and start to impose busy charging on a system and so it's using the you know we call to challenge very very very strongly would you call on doctors not to sign it because generally government health secretary drug last word seems not to have said that well i certainly have said that and indeed have put something out on social media to that effect i think it's really important that you know the g.p.'s do refuse to side obviously if there is noncompliance by the g.p.'s then. clearly this is a system that cannot be imposed but of course what they're trying to do is to you know as you sort of if you like brought barry in the government to try and persuade

g.p.'s to sign up but this is a very very slippery slope and you know people like dr bob gill have being the setting our very cogent argument is too wide g.p. should not sign and so what i've been urging i would urge anybody who's you know watching this program to to contact the g.p. and say look you know we're happy about this and please don't sign up to it you perhaps suspect i don't know how the british media are going to be covering the fact that your shadow home secretary diane abbott will be addressing mass palestine demos today in london what do you think about the fact that perhaps there will be accusations like they have been repeatedly against your leader jeremy corbyn that is an uneasy moment well i think standing up for the palestinian people is the right thing to do they have been grotesquely abused by the israeli state particularly by the us and yahoo apartheid regime and we've seen casualties running into the 10s of thousands we've seen people who have been injured losing their

limbs having to have their arms or legs amputated people paralyzed we've seen doctors here medics journalists children targeted. by the israeli defense force this is a humanitarian catastrophe that the israeli state of visiting upon the palestinian people and i think all right minded british people indeed all right minded people from around the world will support the palestinian people and what we need it seems to me is for the of reilley state to abide by international law they're flagrantly disregarding international law and of being given cover for that by the united states of america is absolute outrage don't jump in a 2nd but israelis say these palestinians are terrorists the b.b.c. comcast sky news another say israel has merely been retaliating. the rocket fire from gaza and in fact obviously previous labor shadow certainly haven't addressed

palestine demos a big change in labor policy here perhaps well indeed there is a big change and it's a good thing to see that happening i think it's the right thing for the labor party to do and yes i mean the media certainly haven't reported accurately in my opinion the scale of the onslaught from the israeli state and it's almost as if it's kind of an unequal struggle but the truth is this military giant and the israeli state aided and abetted by the united states of america and great britain it's got to be said. you know using their power against a very weak palestinian people and you know it's little wonder that sometimes some militants on the palestinian side you know retaliate but i've spoken to many people who have been to garz or been to the west bank and they've spoken to you know hundreds of palestinian people i've spoken to palestinians myself on the maze frankly by their dignity and all what they say is all they want to do is is to live

in peace to live side by side but we have this this this this huge ogre of the israeli state inflicting this this this or to destruction on the palestinian people operating an apartheid state in israel itself where palestinians are 2nd class citizens don't have the same rights or under military law as opposed to you know we've really lore and. this is apartheid. large and you know as nelson mandela himself said the you know the struggle is incomplete until the freedom of the palestinian people is is realized so i think you see it's a really good thing that is addressing the rally today and i hope that that will go a long way toward raising consciousness still further amongst the british people because we need to bring pressure on the british government to demand that the right. early state boards by international war and you know we should be as a bare minimum in my opinion be recognizing the palestinian state any progress on

what speed happening to you in the british parliament any progress on your suspension for alleged anti-semitism well i'm confident i'll be reinstated by the party i mean these grotesque accusations of no basis whatsoever and i've a submitted a very detailed and robust response to them and obviously the process in the party now which we are going through and they will be low no doubt assessing my response and it is hoping a decision will be made in the fairly near future don trump says he is trying to change things is there's been alleged leaks over his deal of the century from sheldon adelson saying u.s. sanctions military force may be used but he's sending the u.s. as abraham lincoln to threaten iran he says iran is behind the palestinians what do you think about the prospects for one or donald trump is a menace we're seeing this this latest development which is essentially you know brow beating or attempting to browbeat the palestinian or thora tea into submission

. with some proposition in relation to the suspects in the occupied territories and with the threat that you know of hamas doesn't go along with it of yet more military action against them i mean this is just so shocking it's a so appalling. you know the leader of the most powerful nation on earth is acting in this bullying hectoring way and and supporting the ottilie of horror and activities of the israeli state will tourism is foreign secretary jeremy hunt resending next to pompei o when jeremy hunt threatened iran saying it must not break the nuclear agreement in response to the u.s. violation of it. and jeremy hunt indeed sat next to stood next to pompei oh well he said your leader effectively was disgusting for us or courting

a majority of venezuela and up on bail indeed he later said it's up to your leader to stop cuba from supporting that as well melissa sort of the absurd and frankly i don't think is acceptable for the foreign secretary to stand beside from peo and allow him to talk in those terms as money is trying to interfere in the british democratic process is no right to come to this country and refer to the leader of her majesty's opposition disgusting in that way that's that's that's totally unacceptable completely on diplomatic language if i could put it like that and you know far from be disgusting what jeremy corbyn is doing is been standing up for human rights and you know it's a pity that you know it's the states of america don't don't do that and i'm very proud actually of the stance that jeremy corbyn has taken on this and indeed not just now but you know throughout his political life actually has stood up for what's right stood up for the decency and human rights around the world and frankly you know mike pence and donald trump would do well frankly to take a leaf out of jeremy corbin's book and start to export that piece around the world

rather than the the death and destruction that they're currently responsible for is the former head of the cia and he has already said when he was the head of the cia that he wanted to target julian a son choose now in detention in belmarsh prison in london and to send you were there demonstrating support nothing from jeremy goldman's in his initial support for science for him not to be extradited to the united states while jeremy is made its position very clear on the to nothing that's significant as has die another made a very strong statement in the house about it and obviously as you know regrettably julian assange has now been you know incorporated now for some weeks and i think you've been sentenced to a period of time for for skipping there from istanbul reasons obviously that man should not be in prison in my view most upstanding people in the country. i do not understand what is happening how can somebody who's only crime really is to expose

the most appalling war crimes visited on iraq by the united states of america under indeed has exposed all the. issues which you know i think you know the united states and all the governments around the world would prefer to keep secret but i think the people have a right to know that's all he's guilty of and you know we should be venerating julian assange rather than lock in in a way in belmarsh as he is at the moment because it wasn't thank you. and that's it for the show you can judge by social media will be back on monday it was the man who predicted the rise of call been a very british chris mullin if the labor leaders for good come at the hands of n.y.c. . join me every thursday on the alex simon short and i'll be speaking to the world of politics. i'm sure i'll see you then.

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