q this bug will do talking involved so anyone with a real feel in the blank spaces that. distance the sounds now i heard you say that the you how they're perfectly cloudless in their region child will arrive before your father revealed the biggest drama of his life his collaboration of we with an absence what was so shocking to you about that i think was that it was the fact that i grew up hearing the stories from my mother's side of the family who was in the resistance movement and who were active my road his were active fighting the nazis and and so it was i grew up with this image of. the hero of resistance and the evil of the german helmets when my father told me at the age of 15 you know that. it's time that you learn what i was doing during the war the

1st image that came to mind was this german helmets on the head of my father it just it just didn't fit because my my father at the time and he would mean being so was my hero and i think not only being my father but. as a person. as a character now that state of shock the state of colony to just announce that experience is very essential to all crime novels this is what you ultimately teach here readers turning their imaginary world upside down is that just laid sure retreat for you or some sort of psychological revenge that you carry out throughout their lives what i learned just sort of the hard way was what we see in modern storytelling is. the hero being turned into the villain and bars births. it's the thin line between good and evil

it's. looking at the character's life and actions in a new light and try to handle the contradictions that is in everybody's lives that we you know one morning we wake up most of the time we we hope to be the heroes in our room movies but sometimes we we have a situation where if we have an almost look at ourselves in our actions we have to admit that we were and i think. trying to it's not except at least you realize that that's movie or that's how we act as human beings. it makes the stories all our lives slightly different and i think that's a kind of stories are right where the. protagonist of the story is.

sometimes the hero and sometimes not and you are supposed to see the world through these characters odds and accept that's how it is. you dealt with your father's difficult moral choice in your 3rd novel the redbreast which dows into the history of no race collaboration and analysis did you feel any conflict of interest when writing it was there any pressure between you as a son and you as a writer. i think that it's. it's impossible to do to try to. remain objective as a writer or. at least as a writer of fiction i i don't think that's the point i don't think there's any meaning in trying as easy to stick just as a historical details you have to do that i am what i'm doing is i will pick 5 different individuals who have different reasons for joining them all says to try at least to do. multiple. views of.

what was going on what the future looked like what the political situation was there also i have a diversity of very human motives selfish motives political motives. even idealistic motives which were. also part of why some there and some women join the nonces and thinking they were fighting and fighting for their country and defending the borders when your father made that decision to join the german troops i think most of the stalin crimes and the abuses of the communist regime were not yet known the documents about the gulags and the purges would come out of years later and similar when most of the crimes of the nats regime were not known at that time happy knowing all of that do things that would have made the same choice. i don't think so he was when he told

the balck me. about his after the war he had to spend 3 years in jail before for having him full to the losses and he said i think that was a fair punishment for being as wrong as i was. is it of i didn't necessarily make the wrong moral choice but i made the wrong choice. based on lack of information i did it i made it on the basis of what i thought was the future of of europe and my country was was the old democracies being almost bankrupt united states being on the other side of the world and it looked like the future of europe was in the hands of either stalin or hitler due to strongman in europe at the time reading that book as a russian it was a very unusual experience for for me because we as a nation are far more in a vast that in. being ourselves is

a country that resisted. and i think for the russians it's much more difficult to separate the personal you know the law for our relatives from the historical reality of war since you think still attempted to do some of the idea you have any advice for your russian fans to do i think you know for me it was quite it was easy to put some songs i had to sit down and really talk to my father and those difficult questions my father was were open of all did he said you know if you don't want to talk about it we don't need to talk about it ask me any question you like and just spending time with him. what he did made me in the you know any story can be told in the least 2 ways you know i was born in leningrad and i grew up hearing the stories of the heroism of the people and it was also around the teenage years when i 1st read about how widespread cannibalism was

in the city and what's most shocking to me was the people who sacrificed their lives for others and people who ate others to survive and sometimes including their own children they leave on the same streets under the same circumstances. you've dealt with people who crossed into the dark side so to say in most of your books do you understand what is it that ultimately separates the monsters from the heroes know of the i don't is. as a world of fiction with some poems or of these i sometimes feel like the most. useless member of society because what i'm doing i'm just asking questions i can't give any answers. i don't do scientific work but i do think that fiction is. necessary for asking those questions.

how people choose given moral dilemmas like my father did. during the 2nd world war . those choices and how we make those choices or to me the most central theme of all my books are actually one of the characters in. prisons that choice hitler and stalin as a choice between the sister nation germany and variance the russians and i think they have geopolitical choice is back and it is even framed in the same way and their regions may be faced with the same. your father faced 2 years back. i think the choice will come back. you know time after time whenever there is a conflict of interest we sometimes come to stay with moral choices. but the conflicts of interest will always be there of course that would be striving for is to is to make our interest internationally common that we share

interest but working to our towards that goal is of course a long long way to go and along that way i'm sure there will be people over the world having to make that choice and choice but i think that's just ridiculous relevant to the regions because there are lots and lots of nato and russia accessorize this ride of the in their region coastline doesn't make you worried do you pay attention to that when i was in the army over the years. i spent a year on the on the russian border old close close to the russian border and it was always it was always the grio tension it was always the image of the russian enemy but it was very strange because this was in the north of norway and on personal level there was this kinship or or friendly attitude toward russians because how do russians sort of save the north of known. and the corporations were

in the resistance movement on the russians during world war 2 so it was. also the same. docs in a way that they were supposed to be the enemy but on the personal level you could feel that the people living there they were they were more were the bots i would say the united states but some all the enemy invading them the russians well mr castro we have to take a short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. kind of. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want to be rich. but you're going to be for

us this is what the 43 of them all can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters about how. this should. visit this is a stick up from the open water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is spawns of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all this waste to company has long promised to reuse the plastic. onto. the seats do cookouts lose excuse. that seems cool sets for something they're plastic was 60 costly on my end only when you lose that special projects funding you tell the difference and. on the line your best bet is the end of a footy team. but for now the mountains of least only grow higher.

seriously folks go through a period of sort of total to see whether it's just bush but if. you're dealing with the guilt well the minute you did it was in order to. lose and uses its appeal to all of the good of the team you know that all you want was that the good it would bring on the number of students who bristling was studied that you all know paul. went on but well it was pretty good growing closer to grow but you're still too much of it only. but i. mirrored you leave the room you're learning you don't need you strong. sort of my look a mood should version of doing the clue trick of crafters. all

come back to worlds apart with best selling that we should offer you last about i heard you say that it's impossible to write anything without being political in some sense or another and. in another novel of your as they in the snow man you do weave the american president since you're into the narrative i think donald trump's name will ever appear in your books i'm not sure i think he's too obvious in a way it's. better to refer to an american leader over the certain kind and i think he will he will spring to mind so i don't think to seize the name it's not even necessary i think the way political candidates present . themselves as also a way of telling

a story about their societies down about themselves and i think we can see in particular in western politics that voters who used to prefer sanitised picture perfect candidates increasingly all form. a character is of a certain kind more raggett characters as a storyteller how do you interpret that. i think it's people are getting in bits it's hard with the the way the democracy and work not necessarily democracies but the way the elite has gradually taken all the politics it may not be the case in every country but i think definitely in countries like you know the states it's reaction it's people really using democracies in the way democracy is you could say it shouldn't be used but then again should be used to choose through candidates. i think you know where it's it

is still it is still the ideal of the politicians being close to the to the people so it's not that need to get rid of the elite and choose somebody of from the people one of the reasons why harry hole your main protagonist is so appealing is because he has the vices and the vulnerabilities of a common man but he can also be the winner of the day from time to time i'm not comparing him to donald trump in any way but i don't just think that they do have something in common at least in terms of this ruggedness that they. will definitely . i think. the big difference is of course. some of the people in power in the room today seem to really. admire themselves in the case is the opposite he despises himself and. he is

leaning his services. to the public. in a way that it's his judy but he has no one beijing so i think in some ways similar in most ways his. visit your work has been criticized by sound for its fascination of in the traditional some within say paint charcoal masculinity harry hole is ultimately an old natural man slays dragons and saves maidens. since norway is a global advocate of equality have you ever felt the pressure of putting her whole in a position of pushing a stroller or giving him the female boss. no no not really i mean the story is buyouts and the big jewel is in the vidual story and in my case or in our is case this is the individual. i would never. even nurture the

idea of writing stories that would function in society in informing people's political attitudes or. having my stories uniformed in the ways we would fit in to what's what is on the agenda of. today's media thing harried the famine this with as appealing to their readers as harry the big eyes guy. and they were really talked of harry being. a popular character on the story writing about harry i remember i mean after all the percent of readers or women so if you if you really want to have a big with a ship you should use you should maybe have. those with theirs in the back you mind a number of i can remember in my 1st novel i have are is sleep with a prostitute. in sydney. and i was maybe think when i wrote that ok.

just. needs for him to do that but. he will definitely not be popular with with women but you never know because i think there is actually a very interesting trend in western fiction the more people talk about women's empowerment the batterer. are the sales of the books that show a man in dominant position 50 shades of grey is the vast example but i think your books also fit into that how do you explain that is there a disconnect between what people say publicly or politically or what they prefer privately well i do think as long as the stories are honest as long as you represent the my. way of thinking and his behavior in a way that is believable and in the way that can be explained then i think it's it's interesting i think that over. function as

a reaction to what is going on in society and we are always. most of those locally we are intellectually curious so we always look for the opposite point of view in the snow man you deal specifically with the topic of infidelity and how differently it's perceived by men and women was it just a convenient plot for you as a novelist or did you have some sort of a mad a mass as an author for all the straying women out there. no i don't think so i can't really remember how our our came up with a plot or i see in this moment stored glued to the snowman which i represented for a friend of mine i was making or making a movie as a potential title for the movie but he didn't use it so it started with me thinking about thinking about. as now i can. but

and then i read a for me sort of disturbing fact based on research was that. every 15 percent have a different father from who you believe is your father this was a swedish review actually the number was 20 percent in a no i didn't believe in 20 percent so i said ok let's. wise it down to 15 percent and which led to the research house has confirmed and to me that. it was i think it was more the motive or how you put important. knowing who you follow is that it is something that we to some extent. tried to pretend is not important along with that society has sort of taken on the role of the family and that family in blog is not that important but of course i think

it's rooted that we in order to know who we are we need to know who our parents are which again. maybe points back to my own background but you also have in that specific no you have several examples of fatherhood and sometimes people who are not the father is a more i kinder to the children and people who are biological fathers i can clearly see from your work that this topic of fatherhood is important to you while you have a whole series of children why why is it so appealing to you as a writer. i don't know it was it was never like i said it's. thinking that ok i'm going to write about all this on relationships i can just see that it is important for me because i'm writing about it and many of my books i started out with different agenda and the diaries were involved and you know it has even made me try to analyze my relationship to my father was it as good as i remember it. and i

think it is but i still think maybe because i love my father so much there is still that longing for paul there it's the of having you probably still not having followed the maybe because i've seen close friends of mine who didn't have a good relationship with the father and. the boy and. the loss to me would be so big. it is something that's what to expect in my stories i heard somebody say that it's our parents whose career has out. make us into the monsters we are and it's the children give us a chance to straighten ourselves out and to become here is again to believe in that . no not really it's interesting i mean right now if you listen to. in the behavioral lists. they are saying no. you

come you know readymades your. it's hugely. exaggerated to what extent parents really can influence the children. even the schools that we go to are not important. we really can't be changed so if that's the case as parents who are you know we can you know it's there's not the most we can do your a very versatile writer you're have crime novels you have children's literature you have tried your hand at shakespeare you wrote a very newsy t.v. series do you still get a big kick in the excitement from the writing as you have been writing your 1st book you know. i mean when i wrote my 1st books i didn't have any idea so i just thought you were in your biography how possessed your world by the yeah i was persist with the with the process of writing just putting words on the page and

seeing that this is his job to desist lowly forming into into a novel so then installed with the process and the ideas came afterwards i still get a kick out. our writing when it works it doesn't you know i don't like any other. normal person i don't do good work every day but those days were. good work. it's a great day and it's the same feeling and he said in one of the engineers that you would trade all your writing success to be a professional football player which is very similar to how. a french writer who got noble peace prize nobel prize for literature said he was also asked whether he would how he would choose between theater and football and he said that he would choose football without any hesitation what is it about that game that is so appealing to writers. think stewards of the same thing about that and it wasn't

even the football career which is playing one cup final at wembley. i don't i think it's of course is something that we grew up with. is the dream of you know making the perfect. birth of gold it's the physical is something you can you know you can touch i was just. i don't for many years now rock climbing i started quite late in life and i did my 1st well it was a difficult route that i'd been working on and when i came down i got the message out for the 1st on my book was on the top of the u.k. besa list and my climbing partner asked me you know what makes you most happy that you are on top they all just did this route and i had to admit it was doing the route which was for me a personal challenge she was moved climbing history in in any way but it's just the

fact that you have done the physical work you have done a good move yourself you could. it was so concrete being a bestseller it's it depends on so many things i mean there are so many brilliant novels being published every day that won't be noticed i guess it's just a feeling that scoring a goal and then a bold bodies it is the it's a very physical thing well i have to leave it there but thank you very much for being so generous with us thank you encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and of this year again same place same time here and all the party.

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