i actually think because i ride it's local people are getting curious about riders it doesn't necessarily come from the road and country i trust my readers i trust their imagination and intelligence so so i can just focus on writing about all slow about the people i know about the things that i'm interested in and just trust that they will read the subtext i mean if you if you if you drop in on any conversation you will you will quickly get what it's about you may even be the cutest bug want to talk involved so in with it will fill in the blank spaces that. cultural distance now resides now i heard you say that you had their perfectly cloudless their region child will arrive before your father revealed the biggest drama of his life his collaboration away with an

absence what was so shocking to you about that i think it was that it was the fact that i grew up hearing the stories from my mother's side of the family who was in the resistance movement and who were active my road his were active fighting the nazis and and so it was i grew up with this image of. the hero of resistance and the evil of the german helmets when my father told me at the age of 15 you know that. it's time that you learn what i was doing during the war the 1st image that came to mind was this german helmets on the head of my father it just it just didn't fit because my my father at the time and he would mean being so was my hero and i think not only do.

being my father but. as a person i was the as a character now that state of shock a state of calm native just as that experience is very essential to all crime novels this is what you ultimately teach here readers turning their imaginary world upside down is that just laid sure retreat for you or some sort of psychological revenge that you carry out throughout their lives what i learned just sort of the hard way was what we see in modern storytelling is. the hero being turned into the villain and vice versa. it's the thin line between good and evil it's. looking at the character's life and actions in a new light and try to have the contradictions that is in everybody's lives that we you know one morning we wake up most of the time we we hope to be the heroes in our

room movies but sometimes we we have a situation where if we have an almost look at ourselves and our actions we have to admit that we were doing and i think. trying to it's not except at least you realized that's movie or that's how we act as human beings. it makes the stories all our lives slightly different and i think that's a kind of stories are right where the. protagonist of the story is. sometimes the hero and sometimes not and you are supposed to see the world through these characters odds and accept that's how it is in you dealt with your father's difficult moral choice in your 3rd novel the redbreast which dows into the his. no

worse collaboration of analysis did you feel any conflict of interest when writing it was there any pressure between you as a son and you as a writer. i think that it's. it's impossible to do to try to. remain objective as a writer. at least as a writer of fiction i i don't think that's the point i don't think there's any meaning in trying is easy to stick to such as historical details you have to do that i am what i'm doing is i will a pig 5 different individuals who have different reasons for joining them all says to try at least to give. multiple. views of. what was going on what the future looked like what the political situation was but also have a diversity of very human motives selfish motives

political motives. even idealistic motives which were. also why some there and some will join the nonces and thinking they were fighting and fighting for their country and defending the borders when your father made that decision to join the german troops i think most of the stalin crimes and the abuses of the communist regime were not yet known the documents about the gulags and the purges would come out here as later and similarly most of the crimes of the nazi regime were not known at that time happy knowing all of that do you think he would have made the same choice. i don't think so he was when he told to bug me. about his after the war he had to spend 3 years in jail before for having him full to the losses and he said i think that was a fair punishment for being as wrong as i was. i

didn't this to say lee made the wrong moral choice but i made the wrong choice. based on lack of information i did i made it on the basis of what i thought was the future of europe and my country was the old democracy is being almost bankrupt united states being on the other side of the world and it looked like the future or was in the hands of either stalling or hitler due to strong men in europe at the top reading that book as a russian it was a very unusual experience for for me because we as a nation are far more in a vast that in seeing ourselves as a country that resisted hitler and i think for the russians it's much more difficult to separate the personal the law for our relatives from the historical reality of war since you think still attempted to do some of that have any advice for your russian fans to do i think that you know for me it was quite it was an

easy took me some song i had to sit down and really talk to my father and those difficult questions my father was were open about it he said you know if you don't want to talk about it we don't need to talk about it ask me any question you like and just spending time with him and having him telling his own story not making excuses for. what he did made me in the you know any story can be told in the least 2 ways you know i was born in leningrad and i grew up hearing the stories of the heroism of the people and it was also around the teenage years when i 1st read about how widespread cannibalism was in the city and what's most shocking to me was the people who sacrificed their lives for others and people who ate others to survive and sometimes including their own children they leave on the same streets and in the same circle. stances. you've dealt with people who

crossed into the dark side so to say in most of your books do you understand what is it that ultimately separates the monsters from the heroes annoyed that i don't is. as a writer of fiction we sometimes or of these i sometimes feel like the most. useless member of society because what i'm doing i'm just asking questions i can't give any answers. i don't do scientific work but i do think that fiction is. necessary for asking those questions how people choose given moral dilemmas like my father did. during the 2nd world war . those choices and how we make those choices or to me the most central theme of all my books are actually one of the characters in. prisons that choice between

hitler and stalin as a choice between the sister nation germany and variance the russians and i think had geopolitical choice is back and it is even framed in the same way do you think their regions may be faced with the same. your father faced 2 years back. i think the choice will come back. you know time after time whenever there is a conflict of interest we sometimes come tuesday with moral choices. but the conflicts of interest will always be there of course what we're striving for is to is to make our interest internationally common that we share interest but working to towards that goal is of course a long long way to go and along that way i'm sure there will be people over the world having to make that choice and choices but i think that's just ridiculous

they are relevant to the regions because there are lots and lots of nato and russia accessorize this ride of the in the region coastline doesn't make you worried do you pay attention to that when i was in the army or the air. i spent a year on the on the russian war old close close to the russian border and it was always it was always the grio tension it was always the image of the russian enemy but it was very strange because this was in the north of norway and on personal level there was this kinship or or friendly attitude toward russians. because how the russians had sort of saved the north of norway and the corporation when the resistance movement on the russians during world war 2 so it was. also the same. paradox in a way that they were supposed to be the enemy but on the personal level you could feel that the people living there they were they were more worried about i would

say the united states but it's some all there and i mean invading them then the russians well mr castro we have to take a break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. exists is a stick from the water bottle found in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers there are the bad ones there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all this waste become but he has long promised to reuse the plastic. seats to cook out soon as it's. called in may look at scenes cool sets for something they're

classy christic a coffee on my end i need to stay clean you don't lose that special projects funding me. on i'm your best bet is the end of it for the team but fun now the mountains of moist only grow higher. we have a situation that is very new and that's why. it's like i feel like before the war were 2 people were dying but no more than. there was no go to school or didn't know the 2 so the border was through to the right of the world. the as the medical and the widespread complicity is good code of people today. in many diseases because of this would you call that. during the great depression which i'm old enough to remember there was and most of

my family were unemployed. and it wasn't it was bed you know much worse subjectively than today but there was an expectation of the things were going to get better. of there was a real sense of hopefulness there isn't today today's america was shaped by the 10 principles of concentration of wealth and power. reduced democracy attack solo doubt engineer elections manufacture consent and other prince holds according to no i'm chomsky one set of rules for the rich opposite several so. that's what happens when you put her into the hands of a narrow sector of will switch will is dedicated to increasing power for itself just as you'd expect one of the most influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america.

what politicians do something. they put themselves on the line they did accept the reject. so when you want to be president i'm sure. someone wanted us. to try to be for us it's like the $43.00 of them all can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters and the how. nice it.

welcome back to worlds apart from the best selling that we can offer you now as about i heard you say that it's impossible to write anything without being political in some sense or another and. in another novel of your as there is no man of the american president since you into the narrative do you think donald trump's name will ever appear in your books i'm not sure i think he's too obvious in a way it's. better to refer to an american leader over a certain kind of think he will he will spring to mind so i don't think to seize the name it's not even this is a real thing the way political candidates present themselves as also a way of telling a story more so about their societies down involve themselves and i think we can see in particular in western politics that voters who used to prefer sanitised picture perfect candidates increasingly all form. a character is of a certain kind more raggett characters as

a storyteller how do you interpret that. i think it's people are getting in bits. with the the way the democracy work no not necessarily democracies but the way the elite house is gradually taking all the politics it may not be the case in every country but i think they've made the encounters like you know the states it's a reaction it's people really using democracies in the way democracy is you could say it shouldn't be used but then again should be used to. choose through candidates. i think you know where. it is still it is still the ideal of the politicians being close to the to the people so it's not need to get rid of the elite and choose somebody from the people one of the reasons

why harry hole your main protagonist is so appealing is because he has the vices and the vulnerabilities of a common man but he can also be the winner of the day from time to time i'm not comparing him to donald trump in any way but don't you think that they do have something in common at least in terms of this ruggedness they. will definitely. i think. the big difference is of course. some of the people in power in the world today seem to really. admire themselves in the case is the opposite he despises himself and he's leaning his services. to the public. in a way that it's his g.t. but he has no one visions so i think in some ways similar in most ways his.

visit your work has been criticized by some for its fascination of in the traditional some within say patriarchal masculinity harry hole is ultimately an old natural manholes plays dragons and save maidens. since norway is a global advocate of equality have you ever felt the pressure of putting hair whole in the position of pushing a stroller or giving him the female boss. no no not really i mean the story is about and the big jewel is in the vidual story and in my case or in our is case this is the. vidual. i would never. you know even nurture the idea of writing stories that would have a function in society in informing people's political attitudes or. having my stories uniformed in ways we would fit into what's what is on the

agenda of. today's media thing harried the famine is with as appealing to their readers as harry the guy's guy. and there were really thought of harry being. popular characters on the story writing about harry i remember i mean after all the percent of readers or women so if you if you really want to have a big with a ship you should use or you should maybe have. those with theirs in the back you mind i never have that i can remember in my 1st novel i had are is sleep with a prostitute in sydney. and i was maybe think you and i when i wrote that ok. just. needs for him to do that but. he will definitely not be popular with the with the women but he never know because i think there is

actually a very interesting trend in western fiction the more people talk about women's empowerment the batterer. are the sales of the books that show man in dominant position 50 shades of grey is the vast example but i think your goals also fit into that how do you explain that is there a disconnect between what people say publicly or politically or what they prefer privately well i do think as long as the stories are honest as long as you represent the my. way of thinking and his behavior in a way that is believable and in the way that can be explained then i. i think it's it's interesting i think that over novels we function as a reaction to what is going on in society and we are always. most of us luckily we are intellectually curious so we always look for the opposite point of view in in the snow man you deal specifically with the topic of infidelity and how

differently it's perceived by men and women and it wasn't just a convenient plot for you as a novelist or did you have some sort of a mad a mass as an author for all the straying women out there. no i i don't think so i can't really remember how our our came up with a plot or actually this moment started with a title a snowman which i represented for a friend of mine and was making or making a movie as a potential title for the movie but he didn't use it so it started me thinking about thinking about this. as now i can. but and then i read. for me sort of disturbing fact based on research was that. every 50 percent have a different problem from who you believe is your father this was

a swedish review actually the number was 20 percent in a no i didn't believe in 20 percent so i said ok let's. wise it down to 15 percent and which led to the research has has confirmed and to me that. it was i think it was more the motive or how you put important or knowing who you fall is that it is something that we to some extent. tried to pretend is not important along with that society has sort of taken on the role of the family and. family and blog is not that important but of course i think it's rooted that we in order to know who we are we need to know who our parents are which again. maybe points back to my own background but you also have in that specific i know you have several examples of fatherhood and sometimes people who

are not the father is a more i kinder to the children and people who are biological fathers i can clearly see from your work that this topic of fatherhood is important to you while you have a whole series of children books why why is it so appealing to you as a writer. i don't know it was it was never like i said it's. thinking that ok i'm going to write about father son relationships i can just see that he is important for me because i'm writing about that and many more books i started out with different agenda and the diaries were involved and you know it has even made me try to analyze my relationship to my father was it as good as i remember it. and i think it is but i still think maybe because i love my father so much there is still that longing for paul there it's the of having you probably still not having followed the maybe because i've seen close friends of mine who didn't have

a good relationship with the father and. for me that void. loss to me would be so big. it is something that i've tried to inspect in my stories i heard somebody say that it's our parents who screams out. make us into the monsters we are and it's the children give us a chance to straighten ourselves out and to become here is again to believe in that . no not really it's interesting i mean right now if you listen to. john. the behavioral lists. there are saying no. you can't you know readymades you or. it's hugely exaggerated to what extent parents really can influence the children. even the screws that we go to are not

important. we really can't be changed so if that's the case as parents who are you know we can you know it's there's not the most we can do now ear very versatile writer you're have crime novels you have children's literature you have tried your hand at shakespeare you wrote a very newsy t.v. series do you still get a big kick in the excitement from the writing as you have been writing your 1st book you know i do i mean when i wrote my 1st book i didn't have any idea so i just thought the lawyer in your biography how possessed your world by the you know almost persist with the with the process of writing just putting words on the page and seeing that this is his job to desist lowly forming into into a novel so then installed with the process and the ideas came afterwards i still get

a kick out. a writing when it works it doesn't you know i don't like any other. normal person i don't do good work every day but those days were. good work it's it's a great day and it's just an feeling and he said in one of the engineers that you would trade all your writing success to be a professional football player which is very similar to how comedian a french writer who got noble peace prize nobel prize for literature said he was also asked whether he would how he would choose between theater and football and he said that he would choose football without any hesitation what is it about that game that is. so appealing to right i don't know i think i think stuart said the same thing about that and i wasn't even the football career which is playing one cup final at wembley i don't i think it's of course is something that we grew up with. is the dream of you know making the perfect score the birth of

gold it's the physical is something you can. you can touch i was just. i don't for many years now rock climbing i started quite late in life and i did my 1st well it was a difficult route that i've been working on and when i came down i got the message out for the 1st on my book was on the top of the u.k. besa list and my climbing partner asked me you know what makes you most happy that you are on top they all just did this route and i had to admit it was doing the route which was for me a personal challenge she was moved climbing history in in any way but it's just the fact that you have done the physical work you have done a good move yourself you could. it was so concrete being a bestseller it's it depends on so many things i mean there are so many brilliant

novels being published every day that won't be noticed i guess it's just a feeling that scoring a goal and then the bold bodies it is it's a very physical thing well i have to leave it there but thank you very much for being so generous with thank you encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and of this year again same place same time here and all the hard. this is a period of sort of full scale it's just bush bloody. good you might begin

the minute you did it wasn't i go to the wellness to look. losing because it's a feeling. of a good enough that all you want the solicitor got it would put me on the mantle at the last it said to. me that you'll know paul. enough well it was pretty good way to lose a. whole lot of what you stand to which i would only be done long ago but i come. here do you mean your money you know did you storm the lead here so my looked up from moods should show during the clue which are coconspirators some are going to.

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