seriously when your shadow chancellor was photographed holding a letter which called for the abolition of b.m.i. 5 the abolition of a special branch and the disarming of the police given the juries of mayors presided over $20000.00 police officers jobs being caught it was relatively easy for corbett about the way that question about security but only my 5 long suspected of dirty tricks against the left in britain he said this except since leaving the ball here my 5 also excepts the need for the accountability to parliament of our security services which is important but he also accepts as you do the need to have security services that do protect as well the role of the u.k. security services together with powerful forces in the city of london and elite classes in overthrowing elected socialist government has perhaps never been portrayed more brilliantly than in a very british coup by m.p. chris mullin and now there's a sequel the friends of harry perkins christianity now christiane and welcome to going underground let's just start with

a reminder of your classic political conspiracy thriller a very british coup well it was written a long time ago it's been in print for the last 37 years it's fact it's enjoying a bit of a comeback with the rise of jeremy corbyn basically it was set in the 1980 s. when there was speculation about the possibility of a government led by someone like tony benn. and the establishment conspired to bring it down the establishment in this case being a sort of mixture of the security and intelligence services. the media barons with a little help from the americans here while the new one their friends are very perkins the left try again with this character fred thompson who was in the previous book he's centrist not been 8 well good the friends very perkin starts with various funeral it set many years. away from the previous one it's been going

for 7 or 8 years and it's not working out very well and it starts as i say with the funeral of harry perkins who was prime minister in a very british coup and the opening line which i'll give you for free is that harry perkins was buried on the day that america declared war and china and china emerges through the blogs because there's geopolitical but also very very westminster there's 3. threads to it $33.00 contemporary issues it's a drama actually woven around 3 issues breck's it the rise of english nationalism. and the growing confrontation between china and the united states now we don't to give too much away but i think one recurring element in and i think we can say that fred thompson wins. at least his place in parliament a lot of the plot relies on whistleblowers was julie the sancerre waiting

extradition proceedings at the moment when you get the idea for the particular whistle blowing stories that drives fred thompson's political career he exposes 2 separate tory m.p.'s in rackets one is is smuggling migrants and the other one is a tory m.p. who's involved in buying up x. council houses renting them out a text or shown that rents you chose housing because it's such a critical issue because i think some of what's outlined in the book is actually happening i'm not saying it's a tory m.p. or anything involved but 40 percent of x. council houses are now in the hands of buy to let landlords and in a town that milton keynes just north of london it's 70 percent now that was never part of the plan as for. when mrs that started selling public housing if it was

part of the plan we were never told about it so that realistically is what's actually happened all i've done is take it on a step further although probably being so key in any given progressive policy this this man fred thompson sells out the lateralus will he give the nuclear weapons a very perkins i would say sells it out but fred thompson although his heritage the mantle of harry perkins turns out to be a good deal more pragmatic and what's made him more as you chris well he's currently well the future of tony blair but there's there's a bit of me in there yes there is a bit of me in there. i came to the view by died in 97 having suffered for successive election defeats we couldn't afford to take even a little punt on the outcome of the 5th election i think fred thompson which is a similar conclusion after

a long period in the wilderness such was your desperation to alleviate the gross inequality in poverty yes i mean the i've represented some blood south which is. one of the poorer areas of the country an old industrial town where a lot of the traditional industries have collapsed and i would say that the situation there was fairly desperate after 18 years of tory rules that need a decade of misses that. and that while the desperation is for there to be a labor government and actually the labor government which was in office for 13 years i can say with my hand on my heart made a serious difference to the lives of my least well off constituents for the britain you describe your cause as as food banks things have deteriorated rather britain well since the areas where we're sitting in has has food banks the britain described in the novel is primarily it's britain 7 or 8 years down the. based on

the assumption that we do actually the who which is and i would say 100 percent are very very much a question of what rupert murdoch is dead i never thought i'd say that on a t.v. programme in this book he has whereas in the. very british coup the power of media all agog says is playing there kind of together now the media and the intelligence services in the friends of her kids no i would say really due diligence service think they can get the media around to whatever they want them to do yes i mean in a way the roles of a few of those who feature prominently in the friends of harry perkins is different from how the same characters behaved. in the original novel a very british coup and breaks it is the cause of that for example the the m i 5 has come to the conclusion that and i imagine this is probably the case anyway. that leaving the e.u. isn't in the national interest for

a jewel of this book when i don't know if it is the conspiracy theories feel as a conspiracy by elites only intelligent persons of personally i like a good conspiracy what i have learned over the years is that most most of the things that happen could be explained by the theory rather than the conspiracy theory of life sure but if this is in this book the intelligence a gives a little touch on the teller yes every irony here that the in the 1st book the international monetary fund was so critical in the downfall of well in a way it was saying in the left wing government here the anti democratic pressure is not from the i.m.f. the anti democratic pressure is from the remained side of british society of the british establishment there's always forces working away just under the surface on both sides of british politics i guess that politics in a lot of countries because jumping even further than that is is donald trump a bit like harry perkins all beard. albeit not dissociated with the left obviously

because trump was talking about mining communities in the midwest in wisconsin the deep state was a principled. left wing socialist but this idea of the deep state and the status quo elites that will frustrate any democratic desire to change society there's always been an establishment. the whole point about a very british coup the reason it's called very british is because although it's a coup no one actually gets killed there are no tanks in the streets it's all done behind the scenes do you think something's happening like that even before germany called winter's number 10 as many of corgan supporters believe it is a conspiracy against him using the media the intelligence services the city of london businesses well i think some things have changed the media will behave badly that because they always do and they do whatever their proprietors want them to do

the intelligence services i don't but so far as m i 5 is concerned that's the internal security service i don't think they'll interfere i think they've been cleaned up since the scandals of the 1980 s. your book they were you know your book areas yes they did schmidt inquiry is changing but they are investigating today attacks or surveillance of jeremy called them i had when i was in government at the parliament personal dealings with the last 3 heads of m i 5 and my impression was that it's an entirely different organization to what it was but i'm not so sure about is where the m i 6 that's the overseas intelligence service has been cleaned up in quite the same way we've there have been one of 2 little signs that that they might still interfere with some of them that the former head of m i 6 a man called serve it to dare not have published an article on the front page of the daily telegraph saying that corbin was a threat to the nation the day before the law no on the day of the last general

election the 217 general election that's too far fetched evil for for all of your heart this is alive one of the reasons a very british coup has endured for so long is because some of the things that are in the novel actually came to pass that's to say i had m i 5 agent on the council of c.n.d. the campaign for nuclear disarmament and in 1000. 32 years after the novel was published that turned out to be someone called harry newton who had been there all along and i had someone vetting senior employees at the b.b.c. and in 1965 years after that all was published that turned out to be a big advantage and then of course peter wright a former senior officer 5 votes his memoirs describing how he and a small group of his colleagues and all of them by no means. believe that how wilson the former labor prime minister was a soffit agent. and they made attempts to to bring him down

so all of that helped keep my novel in the public eye. and since the rise of jeremy corbyn son but that speculation has started again because. after the break i think kickbacks and dodgy loans are just for developing countries destroyed by the international monetary fund we exposed documents from britain's national audit office the democracy itself and one of the demons of near liberalism even stronger more than a decade after the financial crash and can they be slain all of them all coming up a bunch of going underground. as opposed to see on his attorney. a little bit.

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. welcome back while u.k. mainstream media continues report on party politics like it's a game of polls and behind closed door labor tory bricks it negotiations austerity continues one reason may be that whoever won at this month's local elections the shadow of the city of london is the true determinant we have documents that may point to the fact of the city not democracy controls our access to libraries social care and aid for the most vulnerable in society joining me now is joel benjamin spokesperson for debt resistance u.k. has been investigating lobo loans for a decade joel thanks so much for coming back on we're under book because we had to be you elections but in a way your work affects everybody just remind us what global loans are and then we'll go through this document is there a type of complex loans taken out by local authorities and housing associations

from u.k. european and u.s. banks the major feature of a loan is that the banks actually have the option to increase interest rate on the local authority at a given point in peaches so they can check out the rates when you can least expect it ok and we're going to go into that more in a 2nd we have figure of 15000000000 or 16000000000 pounds but you have these new documents let's see one of them and you can maybe take us through it because from a friend of information requests that doesn't tell me much sure some in over the past 2 to 3 years we've been working with local residents around the country to raise concerns about lobello ins to the extent what is his films here like a p. and g. and you know there's a column there with s 33 and the call yeah it's are in and these are figures which really say what is this $33.00 mean sure basically what this tells us is under the freedom of information act the organization that controls a sum from ation which is the national audit office has rejected the names of all

a local authorities of lowbrow loans which they deem to be sensitive information that's a lot of us. does the they have no jurisdiction over local authority ordering at all for the president as to what the issue of office been doing is having secret meetings with the order in the with the chartered institute of public finance and accountancy to work out a kind of backroom deal for resolving this labor learned problem that councils which is already sane one local authority northamptonshire go bankrupt to manage this financial problem before it becomes a political problem you don't know it's the redactions by the national audit office because the audit office it is and it's up to the local councils when they replied to a feeder information requests this is a request from the national audit office so this information is being obtained by for here what this means is approximately 16000000000 pounds has been or will be lost from local authority budgets because the interest rates of these loans are so much higher than if the count's was a borrowed from the usual source of funds which is from the public which like

a board from the government or as they would say making good business sense for their clients make a little cash out of out of this let's go to an e-mail at least less redacted arguably and. this is the one of the crucial paragraphs you think yes i mean fiercely the subject the term going concern what does it tell us it tells us that the person who sent this original which originated from a local authority or which one we know that's one of the local authorities we've learned this from because they were the most toxic problematic loans from oh yes the bank that's only by the british taxes so basically what this loan what this. is sitting out is a couple of things so a local authority finance director so the person iran is the central government the chartered institute of public finance and accountancy and so the local government association which is like the political body for councils and we spend so as to the people who are used to work. but what's the dot gov the u k one which is rejected.

the names of the authorities or the names the people seen in these emails have been . and pretty amazingly is a kind of begging letter is a letter and address of a need says i fear there may be some point which will run of counts as a different do commercial organizations to the extent that international and u.k. accounting standards puts public services at risk so this is a key paragraph so it's more the accounting standards putting the council risk its effect that they took out inappropriate risky toxic loans from banks. and now what these new accounting standards have been brought in. to try and clean up all this talk on the bank on the local authority what these orders has and what the government's arguing is if we actually apply the new accounting stain is which show you just how to learn the counsels go bankrupt so what the government in the words has been talking about behind closed doors is can we bring in a waiver

a statutory override to these accounting standards so that the local authorities don't have to apply the new standard they can continue kicking the can down the road pretending it so whine and not sharing the full liabilities and the council's ok we'll shadow chancellor joe mcdonald says he wants a full public inquiry investigation of corby never gets into but in fairness to r.b.s. which i own and the british taxpayer own 62 percent of and which we've bailed out they've they've started to listen to your concerns barclays is this new yanks are coming around to understand your concern has been some movement so i think partially because of the consume by order and by some parts of government like the national audit office it would appear there's been some pressure existed on obvious in particular so the reason your council budget is being cut is because of in many cases criminal activity by the same banks so if it was to. get these

councils and now being screwed very very gain by banks just buy it out which is perceived as they. would. if there was to become public knowledge obviously people would not be happy about it the banks and the firms like capita in our camp who are pushing these loans on the councils have never been held accountable so john mcdonnell was absolutely right to be calling for a public inquiry into this because he's been. an ongoing cover up in afraid to dig into the core reason for this problem in the criminal behavior there because there is that context of the fact that london was the center of fraudulent interest rate setting as part of libel or that status lost and these loans were on that and there's a half a 1000000000 pound case leads new because a lot of them. are all these kinds of. barclays occurring in them and one politician of this bill does one want an inquiry. what do you see is the real solution obviously the effect it these loans were paid to lie boards problematic

particular the barclays learned so maybe that you know the council was a millions of pounds out of pocket because pieces fell in the interest rates the bigger issue which is the more systemic one which has yet to be tackled any of these legal cases is that the information provided to the council was the advice given to them by the likes of capital but as i care to enter into these loans in the 1st place. to be the basis of the case they have mean are they the means hugs the dates the people who instructed the local authorities under advisory contract to go and take out a loan and it transpires since we're taking your thousands of pounds in kickbacks for doing so from the banks there's been no legal action against the treasury management advises today so what we're calling it was an kickbacks agreement commission and i would say that is green liberal democrat all the. no one is clean on this issue and partly that's because of us not the fault of

local and many cases the local authorities themselves national office you know communities and local guy. from an financial conduct authority none of these institutions take any responsibility fighting so many fires with this wave of austerity which is just crippling the public sector what across the board job benjamin thank you well if the full council budget to be ga since the $28.00 city crash no arguably have been those of the n.h.s. english doctors now have $48.00 hours to sign a contract that critics say marks a demonic transformation to privatized u.s. style health care in britain joining me now by skype from chicago in the u.s. to tell us about his new book neo liberalism is demons is dr adam call to go adam welcome to going underground to tell me about the book and how were these a trio of as you term them catastrophes of new liberalism iraq 28 the crash and trump how the advent of the big catastrophes and how clinton in some does both get

their definitions of neo liberalism wrong a lot of people understand. the iraq war and the bush era as almost just this exotic episode where the power was suddenly asserted where sovereign emergency powers were claimed and then it was kind of over and it was taken taken over by a related to the neo liberal order specifically the financial crisis and lo and behold we're now in another crisis that for instance joe biden claims it's going to just wind up being a random episode. the trumpet ministry show and what i want to think about in the book is how we can think of all those things together as part of just kind of one overarching phenomenon that i think of in terms of neo liberalism and one reason that people tend to think about him as separate some to think of the iraq war and bush for instance is very different than neo liberalism is that supposedly neo liberalism is getting rid of the state getting the state out of the way of the

economy as though it's simply just you know iran style libertarianism. and what i want to show in the book is that actually the state has a very central role in kind of creating and enforcing markets and kind of bringing about this vision of society as dominated constantly by. market competition in every area of our lives and one kind of hint is the fact that one of the 1st things the bush administration did when they took power in iraq was to attempt to impose neo liberal best practices on iraq so if they were supposed to be different from neo liberalism they didn't get the memo i want to get to. the demons in the title of the book in a in a 2nd but i mean if you want to turn on m s n b c o c.n.n. the demons are the demons you joke about in this book and i do want to get on to them the demons are russia and that's why trump is there and that's the explanation of what's gone wrong in anything other than taking responsibility for creating this

phenomenon and creating the conditions that allowed trump to arise i think this is the case for both media elites who obviously you know stoke trumps career and his reputation at every stop and also the kind of mainstream centrist politicians who his failed policies lead to the kind of discontent that could make trump seem like applause about solution tell me about the role of judeo christian ideas of the devil which is the reason you use the devens anyone in a chemist or pharmacy maybe choosing a shampoo you say that the creation of blame. is there in the liberalism in my book the demons are not like outside forces like putin or like evil people like trump within our own system but rather that's us the system is making us into demons and when i read the stories told about how the devil came about

it seemed to me that he was put in a situation where it was impossible where he was given this kind of meaningless arbiter. prarie demands to just submit to god with no question and you know and when he asked questions or when he resisted a little bit he was consigned to an eternity and how and this is a very extreme case but i think that the same basic logic of entrapment works throughout the entire neoliberal system that we're confronted with these choices. and somehow. the bad outcomes that keep happening are all the result of our individual choices like we should have chosen the about are mentally friendly to the toothpaste that we did on climate change to destroy us all or something like this it's our fault the the opportunity of choice creates those demons and just finally do you think that if you're saying the demons are inside us as where in the supermarket doing our shopping do you think that the war is now on the cards perhaps far more of

a book elliptic than iraq the main danger the optimism that there is in the book about freedom it doesn't seem as though on in the western countries at least a massive war is on the scale of iraq are really something that the public has any appetite for i think that it's almost they don't think really they overreach so brutally that it's been discredited what i worry about more is potentially civil war that would actually most likely be fought by the right wing courses who are just never satisfied you mean within the united states within the united states like a low grade kind of guerrilla warfare on the part of right wingers this is an outcome that a lot of people thought would follow from hillary clinton taking office these are people who just who simply will not take yes for an answer and who will not settle for anything but full control and i just i honestly do not know what to do about those people because obviously in this country you are complementary of colvin but

in this country we have leaks from senior intelligence officials saying that secret intelligence cannot be shared with jeremy colvin because he is too subversive and when you look at how moderate his policies are compared to what's really needed i mean that just shows in a way how fragile the system is becoming and how even a moderate critique it is is a threat that we're reaching a point where the system is has become very rigid maybe reaching a breaking point and i think the question is whether some of these. alternatives are going to have enough energy to take power or whether the worst people in the world are going to wind up taking over and seems to be happening in the u.s. dr adam gault thank you and that's it for the show will be back on wednesday it was called the argentinian ambassador to the u.k. a friend of julie this on castro if the wiki leaks founder will survive in the austerity hit so-called one ton a move britain building can be talked about social media will see on wednesday

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