their restart relations with russia. read yesterday that you know they disagree on many things they also agree to start repairing various communication channels hotlines for example counterterrorism intelligence financial political. putin was also asked about the potential meeting with donald trump and he replied that at the g 20 summit if the americans are willing if they want to start serious serious she will take serious steps towards repairing relations russia is always willing. well back with more in 30 minutes see that. if we ever need an anti-war movement it's obviously now trumps hyper aggressive foreign policy faces little resistance from the mainstream media in fact numerous liberal news outlets function as

a cheering section for the president where is the moral outrage. after it had said we're going on the ground $48.00 hours after swedish prosecutors reopened their investigation into wiki leaks founder julian assange we're currently waiting for a response from britain's crown prosecution service as to whether they once again contacted the swedish government in an argument attempt to change the course of justice in the case of the most famous publisher in the world coming up on the show on neck with a we speak to any casseroles south africa's former intelligence services minister who fought apartheid alongside nelson mandela about why the new enemy of his country is neoliberalism and backstabbing spying in the struggle for power from the west to the british parliament with game of thrones milk was your only move ahead

of the show's final episode plus how soon before trump's warplanes run off to the unprecedented deployment of the u.s.s. abraham lincoln to the persian gulf all the support coming up in today's going on the ground a 1st to britain's old colony of south africa whose apartheid regime was sponsored by both main u.k. parties until the fall of the berlin wall in 1901 the crucial fact of our ongoing ongoing merican support for an institutionalized racist nation in africa was perceived strategic power against international communism and while nelson member. arguably sold south africa out to the i.m.f. he never forgot the debt he owed to for instance cuban communism when he was finally freed from 27 years of defacto u.k. backed detention for going to grope for a stripper is there a few good things about incident that he didn't do cause i want to run for political and i just want to see a significant reporter who would be to get a grasp on top architecture of the middle. not her

own or. someone down and down and down and now about who are pretty yeah what i can somewhat leave it where hereford allowed. that it must be. very likely. that if there is hardly. any. mandela and fidel may no longer be alive but in south africa a 3rd party in elections that's all mandela's a.n.c. perform at its worst has now emerged the economic freedom fighters of judas malema we want to be like fidel because when we take over our government we want to include these. people because. their life expectancy is denied to us. because the. cities do you live with.

we want to be like you about because 98 percent of those who must be in 2nd. and there's the trump war on cuba has ratcheted up as well as venezuela hugo chavez took inspiration from mandela we cannot go to johannesburg this week to ronnie drills revolutionary and south africa's former intelligence services minister ronnie thanks so much for coming on the show what did it feel like as a revolutionary who for to you came back to the thing this month's election and what is the role of the communist party within the a.n.c. when they fight elections 25 years of transformation start at the stream that you well and of course of being rather difficult especially the last 10 years of corruption netted craped in a big way so i broke with the i n c n n the communist party to certain pointon john

because of the particular trained and the way the communist party tailed behind the i and c. and jacob zuma the the previous president and i went to not vote to deny. i didn't have my heart in the process a bit like i think it's the irish you say that when you go into the polling booth you actually have to close you know there's a little bit i don't want to over exaggerate it's something of that nature of disappointment is spatially for those of us who expect much more of the transformation of the outcome of the national depression struggle. and hope full and i'm old people orientated. approach social democratic you feel like but certainly to move away

from the stranglehold of neo liberal global. a free market to them which is a squeezing such problems not just for my country said africa but for the whole world just to make sure you would contend that things would now black people in south africa financially and economically than they were underneath the government supported by britain ok no we have to be a little careful without saying that it's hunky dory and that it's not dreadful in certain places but the is there a tendency to say ah well it was better on their part that it was a business. remember in the face place and i know you took ing about material conditions but remember in the 1st place that left people with trodden on black people with refused a dignity black people couldn't vote at tools. is a change it's been remarkable at the same time given the willed economic

situation and then the clip tell chrissie of the zuma period and treated it by the way the country has been sliding back and a lot of the very good programs i was to minister at one point that the i and c. had rolled out of building houses providing free walk in electricity to the poorest sick. had become a role rather did and deviated and the lack of a professional approach by a minister is. rather that splice that by suma in key positions to siphon off the largest the the funds that should have been going into infrastructure and so on has in fact been deteriorating but we've got to be a little careful of that going overboard too much of

a degree to say oh well it's worse than. before how if people live a life in which i mean chloe mentors grown in which poverty is increasing in which south africa says i'm sure you know that it is the most unequal country in the world so they have not been expecting at that to last i want looking back to well what was it like in apartheid. the wealth elsewhere and they expecting something data and that's the warning to the i and c. and that's why between elections people who in the end vote for the a.n.c. in mess you know the 555657 percent now it was up to 70 percent and decay but even they in between elections people that put the un in cloyd go demonstrate. their direct infrastructure

even night desperate to call attention to their needs for the government to really solve the problems and the problem is self serving government and ministers who have not bothered to solve people's problems and now the a.n.c. people say has been given a 2nd chance is the 6 elections it's not a 94 so it's the 6 chance not the 2nd 2nd chance full force or will run the toes of for sure well from one demographically young country do another demographic place today is not where day you think that what you came back to but i did. bad is what you came back to tax on gaza in fact. ever more sniper rifles to israel at the moment what we hear about nonstop the mainstream media and from the israeli government when right is really on this show israel says it just

retaliates 2 iranian backed rocky. oh yes you know. this is this is the language of apartheid south africa they would say had to defend themselves against terrorism because they were occupying a people a leg would just as a saying said african people of land is the palestinians land has been. taken and robbed hijacked from then. the killings the genocide which is incremental. cleansing of the lack of real rights by people let alone you know occupied taught that within israel itself is bad that i seen as bad as colonial oppression that bain and her reigned us and the british and the belgians and the french and we know genocide and bombings

and mutilations and slavery that we have for goodness sake from the 20th into the 21st century and because of texts americano and the e.u. the israeli the zionists are able to do what they wish and they just get through war did by jerusalem. but the golan heights and in terms of trumps a. bargain of the century what is that to correlate what's going to happen next in ghettos of this apartheid state that's israel wanting with the palestinians are not but they have what the south africans head they never cite they have got sung what they determined they never gave in and this is a just struggle and good luck to them they need all our support e.d.'s international solidarity. can i talk about that just writing i mean there's no. i

always knew a band from speaking in apartheid south africa. yourself you knew a band from talking about boycott divestment sanctions i mean they were. in tel aviv would you say that madonna and the b.b.c. and the other promoters of the euro vision going to be. in the context of you being banned in europe and talking about it disgraceful and to remind them that it was b.d.s. so that international boycott solidarity it's a trial that helped deal with apartheid so what was the end of apartheid because it fade in to the struggle of the south african people and the madonnas and these artists in countries like britain and so many others let an american countries are brazil it's a trap and these east european racist countries that have been so anti semitic in

their history. they come to israel whether it's the euro the vision countries whether it's for the sea each on gaza whether it's to support israel in if every way the equation of b.d.s. . with anti semitism all legitimate necessary criticism of israel as anti semitic this is an absolute shame it's a disgrace and they will relate to one day because there's no way that the palestinian quest for justice similar to the south african one when we were cool terrorists win thanks shifted and mounted a terrorist act in the end they will be forced to they would. and in relation to the lessons of the 2nd world war all of the holocaust and the

millions and millions of others apart for. 6000000 jews and i i come from that background. that particular lesson was one for justice one for teaming with old people with full human decency and zionist israel breaks all those rules and has enough to learn the real lesson of the hell of course or the lessons of judaism which is do unto others as you wish them to do and to you it's as simple as that. after the break today sunday is the last episode of game of thrones we speak to the socialist who plays syria for real about edward snowden unlocking the secrets of the ravens and as reports mounds of u.s. backed alleged proxies saudi arabia the u.a.e. alleging sabotage of oil tankers in the persian gulf in store for another gulf of

tonkin all of them all going overboard to going underground. join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. welcome back joining me now to go through some of the week's top stories from civically about the threat of a war with iran is the editor of the british muslim news site 5 pillars and a press t.v. journalist. thanks so much for coming on the channel what are you making of all

this talk of war with iran with this is from c.n.n. . well yeah i think c.n.n. is obviously known for its stance as an. independent force ships targeted in mystery sabotage attacks as you know the saudi oil tanker and initial u.s. attempts to try to figure out what happened say it points to iran i think the key word is mystery no one knows what happened here obviously the israeli and u.s. intelligence services already fingering iran for it but. you know what they usually do because they want to blame iran for everything under the sun. but what we're seeing here is a build up to war i think and the u.s. is doing everything it possibly can to provoke iran into some kind of 1st strike which iran won't do we've seen the us pull out of an international treaty which was lauded as was that one of the great peace treaties of our time we've seen them

introduce or strangle iran with these economic sanctions which are causing havoc in iran they are in effect a declaration of war we see u.s. warships and warplanes moving into the persian gulf just imagine if it rained in warships and warplanes moved into the gulf of mexico so far the european union has been on iran's side and is not let along with the us violation of the nuclear agreement but then jeremy hunt britain's foreign secretary very quick to say if iran then violates enrich in response to the drug administration iran better watch out of the british desire to find the european position a bit hypocritical obviously in a way it's an achievement for iran that for the 1st time in a long time europe has actually taken an opposite stance to america and stood by the j.c. you know that is unprecedented but on the other hand they just seem to be paying lip service to that international treaty without actually appeasing iranian

concerns ok but the family own new york times here presumably echoing trump administration accusations that iran is sponsoring terrorism and all the rest of it regardless of a white house reviews military plans against your own echoes of iraq war that there may be a gulf of tonkin incident will she will get the european powers that could have been we have to play a part of this coalition that could have been the u.a.e. and student but obviously it was strange because it wasn't really trumpeted as such in the u.s. media and if you think it was like a false flag operation it would have been trumpeted more by the u.s. media is very much a mystery all i can say is we're going through a psychological warfare period at the moment. but what i must stress is that iran is not iraq in 2003 it's not libya in 2011 it's not a defeated country iran has the ability to strike back in the persian gulf there are plenty of american targets in the persian gulf in there are plenty of american

targets in cutter for example they have a big air base there iran can settle fires in syria iraq in israel it also has the ability to choke the world's oil supply by closing down the straits of hormuz so if the americans want a war then this is not going to be a one sided war it will be a catastrophic war not just for iran and it will be for iran as well but for the west and for israel and for the persian gulf region itself the b.b.c. very close ally of the british council arguably saying iran jails british council workers in inverted commas i presume they don't need the inverted commas but wouldn't move what about the cold war as it were because all we hear about is iran jailing people british citizens wrongly well i mean i want to comment on this particular incident i don't know much about it i'll just plead ignorance all i know is what i've seen on the media which is all because we have is a story of murder on the iranian people involved well i mean i can tell you what

the iranians think the iranians think that western countries and israel are trying to get spies into the country and they're often doing that through dual nationals we have the famous case of now the needs are going to ratcliffe you know she's called nazneen in the in the british press because they want to humanize iran they give her full full title now the iranians feel that she's a spy they're proof that she's a spy she's put on trial and just put in jail the british made a big deal of her case and that was a big mistake in my view because as soon as you make it a massive big deal in the media then the iranians can't be seen to their own domestic audience to back down britain has effectively made the u.k. a deep. given a diplomatic they're completely illegal in british policy has it worsened this is how we handle a slightly that's the way the iranians work by making it such a media fanfare they effectively sealed zardari radcliff supply well that's good to the nation from pakistan because you mention the straits of all murders there are even wider. context to this bug is than against any u.s.

attack on iran pakistan of course 8 nuclear fully nuclear armed nation unlike iran well actually iran is not isolated everyone likes to pretend that it's iran against the rest of the world or the international community iran has very powerful friends unlike iraq in 2003 and right libya in 2011 it has it is friends with 2 of the biggest superpowers in the world russia and china it has allies in south america africa in the region it has allies in baghdad in damascus in beirut's even in santa ok but do you think the leader bugs that imran khan and leaders like that will always be able to triangulate because saudi arabia is concerns here are the same is watching this is geopolitics action obviously every nation tries to balance its interests its own national interests come 1st trying to balance between different nations i think i am wrong in pakistan is pivoting towards china trying to pivot away from american dependence towards countries like china he's also

trying to establish good relations both with saudi arabia and also with iran so it's a balancing act and only time will tell to see how it does show moment to thank you thank you. well the e.u. election campaign comes to an end this month as does the hit t.v. show game of thrones with some observers noting that one is increasingly resembling the other joining me now is someone who ought to know bill george here in a movie played fan favorite character syria for well on the show and has sparked fury for declaring himself a socialist on social media billed as welcome to going underground since the finale of series a. maybe this is how well obviously this being a political program the old american friends were really disappointed in some of them because they tweeted a meme hundreds of thousands of people retreated of you asking what do we say just socialism and there are big areas. today and then you said i do not condone

this. you personally always a character you play. i've been a very i mean. i've posted much about it and u.k. politics and the meltdown we're having and it's very interesting that whatever i write as myself you know it kind of generates a certain amount of interest you know from people who kind of know me and follow me but when i posted that it was because it was connected to that me of syria for all that literally my twitter feed exploded i've never had such a reaction and all because i kind of came out as a comrade no mail from donald trump all jump inversely tweeting actual game. after the reported russian meddling in the. elections and yeah it's outrageous and and the creators david and dan of game of thrones they immediately

you know. hit back saying you know you do not use our imagery to you know keep the politics out of it but it is a political program where it works where it works best the story is all about the brutality of politics and a world where you know death is this close or times people say the general public are bored of politics when the biggest show on earth is just politics between different. people love it the most when it deals with the dynamics between people wanting power that's what i think is really interesting it's. it's an epic fantasy which kind of has grown more and more epic in it in its in its storytelling you know you have people coming back from the dead you have dragons you have you know this kind of amazing vivid visceral storytelling but really where it really

lives is in how people do whatever it takes for power but certainly beyond the wall is this idea of climate change do you think which is more ironic with donald trump. doesn't believe winter is going to completely misses the point of the show. yeah i've heard that i've even heard about the dragons being representing. a nuclear threat as well if there are things that represent represent current political concerns because you i know you become obsessed by the brics debate certainly way back when we know. it was changed our lives. it was one of the millions of verge of a brics. e.u. empire and the e.u. is the largest and imprisoning cattle which they are and of course loads drowned in the mediterranean of the unit yes yes how can you say you're alarmist. i was

employed by a stark and the thing about stocks is that they have on a and i mean i was very lucky i played a character that was very honorable i gave up my life to save a girl that i barely knew and clearly the ravens the messages being bused drawn reference to edward snowden julian. mass surveillance well the very amazing thing about the ravens is that of course they use it to communicate so they travel great distance in very short space of time but what's even more interesting is that there is the idea of the 3 i drape and which is where someone actually walked into a raven and then can surveil the whole thing in some kind of mystic. they can see the future and the past so when you talk about mass surveillance that really is the driven is is the metaphor for that i think but if climate change. nuclear weapons dragons thing was even indoors where the bulletin of comic scientists are going to . be able to figure that out but you do support extinction rebellions climate

change in your logical disasters all well on your radio. one might be able to say is that the icy wall where my fiance is. is a teacher and also an environmental scientist and she i mean she educates me every day about what is our impending you know the future is coming faster and faster and and you know we should have been doing things in the seventy's to really need to get what's happening now we've left it's so late that this is why when the when the american congress starts talking about a new green deal. it's so radical but he has to be radical because without that we don't really stand a chance to actually reverse the problems that we're going to be facing in 20 years time because of course the world with actors going out for exemption rebellion resort quickly emma thompson started to use

a voice for it immediately accused of hypocrisy typical years or more book. actually doing hard because it's like it's very easy to kind of kind of look at people who have a certain kind of profile and think that it's very easy for them to talk about it and call them hypocrites but the reality is that we're all human beings and we all have to take responsibility for what we believe in and try and. spread what we believe in with 2 other people communication and discourse is the only way we kind of educate each other and what's horrible about the kind of tribalism we live in at the moment all over the world is that people have stopped listening to each other it's just about are you on my team or the other team breaks it seems sort of thrown everything up in the air because i completely understand this idea of respecting

the referendum vote i do understand that but at the same time. you're dealing with feelings. this kind of response to immigration this response to austerity is very easy and people have done it throughout history you know if you don't want to get blamed for something that's happening to your people you blame someone else and that's what felt like europe. could say which character. but since no one even thinks the journey was labor i'm not breaking the regulations who is tony blair the game with. me. i think. it's like. i think he's tired when he's the charles dance character here 1st. thank you and that's of the show will be back on saturday with an exclusive interview performance of long live palestine with activists from people. to

commemorate israel's your vision contest until then you forgot to add social media he owns up to. the. u.s. withdraws its embassy and calls from iraq fighting and alleged threats from iran forcing. president putin thinks a more cautious approach to iran is 3 days of high profile talks wrapped up in southern russia with keith global conflicts. the us department of commerce puts the chinese take china while away on the trade blacklist the president signed an executive order banning the use of equipment that poses an alleged security risk. and the u.s. attorney general investigate the legality of evidence used to be rushed.