i'm still capable of anything settling the ideological scores to discuss that i'm now joined by its hog. a bestselling author and management consultant says it's a great pleasure talking to us and thank you very much for your time i'm happy to be here now as i was watching the coverage of the report what struck me is that some people on the american left seem to be just as traumatized by trying not being fallen to be an american every agent as they were traumatized by him being elected did it come as a shocker to you that he after all he's not a puppet. i don't think that people really believe that he was. wrong look at the cover. listen. to. the business. throw the but. russian spy president of the united

states it is so far fetched that they don't feel that their real population. i think that the military. is a very good sign of the strength of the american system because in spite of all the pressures for him to. as much as possible he gave a real honest i thought it was also very interesting winter in american psyche. because i mean to as russians the idea that we could somehow not just influence but put in the american president into the white house it was absolutely unimaginable is the united states really so. emotionally volatile as it as it come comes across on the cable channels i don't know whether this is a special for america in any quote unquote free country as.

emotionally volatile look at this right and i mean it is. now unbelievable. i think what we are experiencing something else i think that united states. is on the declining part of the life cycle curve. all systems born grow a church. and. i think united states was at the prime of the 2nd world war 19 fifties when the system is aging. like a human being or any system it starts falling apart. and what is happening in america is that we are getting dizzy a degree in the manifestation of the dizzy integration is the high peak very emotional feelings in the chrysalis and the left against the right there is the can across the aisle but if you look at the poor many of the trans trungpa exemplifies

polarization and economic grievances they were present in the american society long before him for example polarization started growing in the midnight the whitest polarization politically it started really intensifying. almost 3 decades ago in 2000 it was clear that they can all make system was structurally flawed and yet it took another decade for trying to come on stage and to kind of galvanize all that resentment with the system why did it take so long in the lifecycle you cannot predict how long something it takes but what we do know and i suggest he's not because of the polarization. he's a manifestation of the wars that have to do it is accelerating it and what i have against is not so much what is doing is what what is the how is he doing it he's causing fruit this integration of society and that is very dangerous for

america because what america had as an asset there is a sort of the america was not the chronology others have it not money that have it others have it it was a culture the culture of being american can be german american jewish american polish american russian american and drawing he's drawing the most important asset american that that is destroyed not just by trying by men. i think it's very common for many countries to blame your mistakes of failures on somebody. for him there is but the whole new approach shows that the liberal liberal establishment that says listen we externalize. his integrity is not the cause is the one accelerating it look let me give you something is not in your questions when bush won by a decision of the supreme court. the conceded no problem

if trump loses the election next year going to be riots in the streets is not going to go easily it's going to further the breakdown of the country but look you're focusing on trying but i find it a little bit unfair because he won more than t. here is ago and for the last 2 years we had this investigation which. you know centered around absolutely improbable charges and yet it took 2 years for him just to clear his name is he at the end entitle to a little bit of. grievance and the emotional reaction to. the president not to be emotional. i'm proud of the miller report on the fairness of the. well did you say. it is a shame that was put under the. president had to go through this difficult but is

making the breakdown of the society if i are curious here of something that you're not guilty and i accuse you for 2 years every day every minute on national television i'm sure you would also feel a little bit of a justification and i'm saying is it truly that gets above it ok now that the miller report the stablished that he is indeed not a russian agent do you think the liberal community. will find it easier accepting that it was the whole last 2060 in the elections that it was that trump indeed is a grassroots american respond to their policies over the last couple of years i don't think the liberals will accept anything. i mean politics you don't accept because important because it's a losing relationship now i just came across an interesting american poll by usa today which suggested that over 50 percent of americans agree with trump statement

. that miller was and we chant and i think it's an interesting number because it's much larger than his core base which to me suggests that even those who dislike him a tired and fatigued by this constant drama do you think that's right conclusion do you think the americans are ready their merican public now that american political class the american public is ready to go. i think the american public is tired of the continuous fighting from the left and their right and accusations back and forth now using the democrats over the semitism the democrats accusing him of being corrupt. people. it's not only in america over the world democratic systems people are tired of the politicians period they're looking for somebody to be a leader who's not a politician and that's what's happened he's not a politician that's why they're electing people that are not politicians that they want that are coming out and there's dangerous too because you don't know what

you're buying you said in one interview that the success of any system is determined by how little is wasted on internal fighting and backstabbing and by that measure the united states is clearly more dysfunctional than a number of the question is can you walk back from that degree of polarization and party partisanship. i don't think so because to reverse it it requires a political power political will doesn't exist and so much polarized that i don't i don't see who is going to be able to unite it to make the change who the change is much more structural. i think it's much bigger than what we see because we live in a society today where materialistic goals motor can only grow one economy growth is causing the destruction of the environment. i'm claiming that our.

life is going down. for some yes for others. i'm not quite sure but i agree the american model economic model is based not up to a large degree on over consumption so whatever trying to talk about that change that to change the society of quality of life. and to change. the competitive environment but. from what i read that level of political polarization was also present after the vietnam war and yet both parties in the united states found enough strength in themselves to move towards bipartisan partially because they had the soviet union as a call common enemy and it was only after the soviet collapse in the mid 1990 s that the rates of polarization started growing up invariably do you think the united

states can be united without an external threat. i think it will be because united even was an external threat no but seriously how it wouldn't go it was that honor because i think you have to understand 2 things which i don't think that russians understand. first the world most of the americans don't know the difference between soviet union and russia for them russia so that you know that that is simplified most of america's never left america never traveled outside the home that they don't know and that is one of the calls that russia is considered to be an enemy although if you come to russia the market ever spoke market there the private privately what is it always make english reread america. but evan it does not know that to the south of united states they don't know russia is soviet union so that you know it's going to them by the finish and then to me the next thing is that we have to understand then i'd say that eisenhower say that he called him

a very bad names it's called the industrial military complex they invest in military complex needs to have and me to be able to get budgets to build their own place to be there at a moment's and they have them anything they need they need to have an enemy and not american history than the industrial military complex that's been an advanced and you're correctly that you believe that regardless of whatever findings. they relationship between our military complex is that i think foreign policy because the real enemy for me is not russia and china but china is a big market big market we will make a deal because it's the business is driving the decision like that well mr jesus we have to take a short break now but we'll be back in just a few moments stay tuned. this

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others financial survival guide i don't buy it i passed on a few trips. i'm on the flight. as of last summer my ex from the future trucker watched kaiser. welcome back to worlds apart with a cock eyed these as a best selling author and management consultant. says just before the break we were

talking about the crisis of american. i remember that a few years back people like to talk about the invisible hand of the market. all who had us to the global financial crisis back in 2008 do you think that maybe this idea that democracy has self correcting property also needs to be reconsidered because generally speaking when american politicians talk about democracy they presume that because you have a diversity of opinions. differences you know that this system may be slow but ultimately it will produce the best result now it seems to be totally paralyzed by partisanship. and. the market correct itself is will be discredited nobody believes in that anymore because the market the time to correct itself by the time the change is so big there is another change it is

enough to change the hidden hand today is very clear with the government the government involvement in the economy is so visible. in the boat free market economy question mark was it really is. democracy the same thing is expensive corking itself anymore but it's not self correcting itself in the united states and in the u.k. which is another major western democracy which is paralyzed by partisanship but in other countries in other western countries i think it's working pretty well. in germany for example in the nordic states it's still functioning pretty well i mean they have their disagreements but they have a functioning state they can still do some sort of policy my question to you is whether there is something special about the united states and the u.k. maybe their historic trajectory there and the standing of democracy that led them to to the point when they are unable to govern. the rate of change is accelerating

it's not just accelerated to any progress coming one of the it's all to becoming more what's called. it's multidisciplinary so changes in technology have an immediate response impact on the economy and economies social activities of the legal legal and political it's or becoming very complex who is going to solve it it needs something that can be about the dignity discipline is the soul of them and it's a government and the government is paralyzed it's a big bureaucracy and who is making the laws you know the making more and more laws so what's happening is they believe by a legal environment they can regulate but it's becoming more and more bureaucratic more and more part of life that's what's causing what we really need is to learn how to decentralize self governing bodies not governed by the center because the center is paralyzing everything now i know that you and other big fan of donald

trump but since he's having such a big day today there's a sense to be a lot of celebrations and in the white house let me ask you how would you handle this major victory that he just got in the report and bloomberg described. the publication of that report as as a major achievement of his presidency so far i'll go on the program is a lot of what he does. that program was how it does it that nobody's perfect i mean . delivering on the one frankly is failing on another kind of people are more imperfect than others you know so that's also true i'm i'm i'm worried because is this drawing in my judgment the major asset of america which is its culture would we do changes from president to president as long as you don't destroy the platform . that you know that's the platform still delivering for the americans wasn't that the reason why he got elected in the 1st place because from. bush to obama one of

comes to the you know ordinary americans they they they didn't question is why he was elected you know that's a different question i was one of the alluding to jim a previous answer to. the problems are becoming more and more complex people are looking for a big was going to say let the story for you. and he comes across as very self-confident. seldom right but never a doubt you know he is he knows everything and some people who are simple minded and have a lot of simple minded people in the world they love that they feel confident that america quantum is growing isn't that what ultimately matters he's capable of delivering i mean he delivered on some of his campaign but the expense. is destroying the environment be pulled out of the control of the environment he's pulling out the protection of the workers at the work at the workplace he is making

it make you go up and make a lot of money but at what price to society we will see in one of your articles your road that he is going to be reckless he will skirt the law he will violate the constitution i'm sure of that didn't the miller reports prove you're wrong because not only they found him free on not only they cleared him of the collusion charges but they also did not find him. the obstruction of justice is trying to push the envelope and see how far it goes he doesn't accept the end of the law he doesn't accept it is the personality type which i recognise from executives that they know and he was an executive before they don't accept boundaries always try to push the boundaries to see what the limit is so only question is when is it going to look sample every week he has another crisis the world now do of the world china of the china russia of the russia they guy does not stop he likes to say i called him

an incendiary and i was that if you would like to start files all the time i don't do the reports exonerates him at all he just survived one accusation there are going to be more but don't you think that his reelection in 2020 is a little bit more likely a day than it was last week yes because they don't have a good competitor they don't even by then there isn't then or gee trample it in for breakfast a very small body on the other side that can stand up to him because he also lies and capable of saying things which have no basis whatsoever in reality but he says it in such a confident voice that people accept it now you're a little too that you have your own classification of letter ship and you're described as the beak eat where he stands for interpreting earth an arsonist or arsonists started fires all the time what does it mean in broader terms the

personality of what they call a big he is very creative and he likes to takes risks he likes energy like the excitement. and is very self-confident to the point issue around himself that different words in different languages people clap hands if you don't clap that's your fire and people don't challenge you look so many people resign from the white house how many people can work with him you can only work with him it's called yes yes. and that way and because of that because the legs excitement in this book is all the time going he's still running for reelection they go to lengths that is going to bring still big meetings and new lows because he always talks about how many people were in the crowd big guys. but that's in itself is not the disqualification for presidents i

mean there is nothing in the american founding documents that preclude a person like this from being elected. as long as it's controlled it's good to have and engine i just wrote a letter open letter to lopez obrador the new president of mexico who is calling the left leftist trump tremendous radius 3 other than 6 the priorities blah blah no. no holding back no focus and no it's like a car with a stronger engine good willing steering wheel but no brakes that's what i'm afraid of i'm afraid of stump no brakes we began this conversation by you stressing the strength of the american institutions americans usually pride themselves on having a situations that serve not the political leadership but actually the country can they still take that for granted especially again in the aftermath of the

investigation it can mean trust the intelligence community to be free of bias like b.b. in these are all these guys go after old institutions because it's the 2 sions of the brakes and they don't. breaks trump went of the central bank he went after the of the he didn't go off to the central bank he was frustrated and fear fired off a couple of tweets but that's not the closing of the central bank i mean. you are very forgiving. as a president you have to move when to speak and when not to speak i'm claiming they hung in the hierarchy this small of should be the most and the biggest should be is he is big mouth and small this is not good mr jesus i'm not by any means defending trump what i'm trying to ask is that sometimes when you have such a polarizing personality people may think that subverting the normal procedure is

justified you know and i think that's a particular quality on the left i mean i think there are many studies academic studies that show that people on the left are particularly intolerant of. in a political difference and they may be more prone to defending the system and violating the law in the process don't you think that the american institutions for example the american intelligence have been subverted by the by their own efforts you protect america from trump. but you know we don't have enough evidence he's accusing everybody. is like. your style you know if you're not for me you're against me but come on stalin killed people in the. city the personalities that you're either for me or against me the danger is that he's not saying it's ok to disagree with me let's have a look what do you disagree about what the disagreement is style not only him all

these people that have the personality style as they say the very their own legend in their own opinion. but never in doubt. and that's one of the difficulties when you go up to this. community and the sick and the secretary of justice and the central bank and. who who is left that is not held the. ration of the medical society that's my problem how do you thing it all i don't want to say and what do you think it will all lead to what kind of leadership style will be americans looking toward to after trying to leave the scene whether it's in 2020 or 2024 this is in the very difficult to predict but there's going to be reelected be

reelected the 220 i believe and if he doesn't get reelected we're going to have riots going to be a difficult time in american to 202020 because i'm not going to accept it he's not the type to walk in lose he's not a loser he says i will accept the vote as long as they win the world i will accept the vote the slogans and win which means if i don't win i don't use of the vote well mr davis we had a little like that boris yeltsin i mean who opened fire at the parliament with almost 200 people killed and the american president bill clinton called him the next day and said nothing about you know the victims and supported him next presidential election so i mean the real russians know how it feels but we also know that sometimes it's good to have what americans call a humble piety the humble pie do you think that merican need that moment of humility when they are humiliated by their own little ship and. by the leaders you know i think we need

a leader that integrates us obama was such but the totally good discredited by trump was and this was his opposite personality total wasn't he also discredited by his own policies for example he's only been. and they should. know the whole country i mean and you know the mystery and the mystery no question about it but that doesn't mistake is much bigger than anything trump has done yet we'll see. we'll see i think we will need that but i don't think we went to get it because look. this system calls for its leader. when the company is says the musical in the lead that leads to people when this is the news that people leave to leave this. they. begin to leave that it deserves because we are here we are going to lead then they are going to put it has done for them well this is now their very inspiring note but we have to leave it there really appreciate it

i'm going to say well let's hope for the best thank you thank you very much for your time i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to hear again same place same time here on the part. of. the c on his attorney when you get. a little bit.

it. was a renewal. of those who would know people would see opposed to its limits to see what's good. that's the time to get. if you have to. finish that you.

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