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brainstem buy one when there is a turn for the ins we'll ains that military institution where you say israel doesn't know it's the lord's impaired for your sake is or doesn't target children absolutely not god forbid. but sometimes in the fighting there are innocents that are heard and that's the reality of war ok i mean obviously the united nations just agrees with you completely and of the most recent report said that in the great much of a turn obviously i.d.f. responsible for deliberately targeting children the urgent song contest is on and it wasn't long ago that. no less than the wall street journal the murdoch will street journal reported that netanyahu the israeli government were facilitating medical treatment for militants linked to al qaida the people responsible for 911 which happened in the town you are in right now israel is that a humane country it is true that israel has treated people who have fled the
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fighting in syria and who are needed medical care. we don't apologize for the very proud that. we are assuming country on this topic of jump on the jews they have to you have to forgive me examine read the book i will take a look at the book you mention she'll obey you were you were the mayor of that now you know of course that that place that you were mayor of used to have names term as a car the car you it. we know that many are there with you in violation of a u.n. resolution because you are in an occupied settlement 1st of all there is. 27 years. busy and anywhere in the occupied where there are or there was there was a low belle reve 1300 years ago so the area builds rode it out recently. just in the
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paris 15 years or so those are not. built jews media these villages or mislead their own while i think what i'm getting at is when you i'm a here we you personally violating international law because they're in an illegal settlement resolution 2334 unopposed of the un security council 14 to nil said that settlement building was in flagrant violation of international law i mean did you violate the law. built in by. the israeli government is not so that it made in the resolution. was the. people who lived there. built homes and the purchase. on their own free will just their error residence in some area purchased.
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their own free will david reuben thank you well the u.n. accused israel of possible war crimes after they shot more than 6000 done on palestinians during the great much of return and that's something you probably won't hear from adama or graham norton on the b.b.c. today for more on how important your vision is to israel i'm joined from manchester by rafi blum co-chair of northwest friends of israel rafi welcome back to going underground so we just heard from a former israeli mayor he said eurovision is a sign that it israel is a sign of a world becoming a better place a kind of validation of of a modern country you you think that's true too i suppose i think it's absolutely fantastic your vision is being held in israel of think it's a fantastic opportunity for the 10s of thousands of visitors who will be coming to israel for the hundreds of billions of paul world lives will be watching it to see that israel is the only liberal democracy in the middle east and it's the only country in the middle east where he is any religion freely where you're not
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persecuted for your sexuality. it's the start of a nation it's a welcoming nation i'm living in a very very tough neighborhood no one would doubt the. rights are better in israel than in gaza or in the west bank perhaps but you can't say it's a democracy surely with only one in 7 palestinians under israeli direct control able to vote in the recent elections well actually it's not just recently held elections where all citizens beat a jewish muslim chrystia and druce a castle and were able to vote and let's be very clear about who they were they weren't able to vote were they one in 7 had the right to vote was a calculation we're not going to if you ask about israeli citizens everybody sits over the age of 18 as the rights of votes if you are referring to palestinians and who live in the west bank. all the gaza strip let's be very clear about this they have the right to vote in palestinian elections and people like roger waters will phallus and they want everyone to boycott the your vision song contest you really
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think that they're motivated by anti semitism and not of support for international law i think the b.d.s. movement of those people that you just mentioned are vocal vocal supporters and is an anti semitic movement i mean omar but you see the founder of yes is gone on record as saying that they want he will never count notes and the palestinians will never count it's a anything other than a palestinian state between the river and the sea now that means the end of the jewish state of israel that is anti semitic ever roger waters i mean he was on the show just the other week this show we don't think he's meant to see much oil i mean they got married former mayor sheila just said he was i said he would deny it obviously got it is very good roger waters very disingenuous are many of the biggest movement why do you think we care constantly at e.d.s. rallies and marches from the river to see how this time will be free that means from the river to the sea palestine will be free i.e. no israel so absolutely technically it could mean within the ninety's exam borders
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because if the guys are in the west bank joined up i mean sure he's really only in the last only in the past few weeks the un has accused israel of possible war crimes the u.n. saying there are reasonable grounds to say israeli soldiers targeted shot children medics journalists so how could the universal song contest be under the auspices of a country that does that if you're referring to the u.n. reports which from the un human rights council which we know is blatantly biased and we know that a lot of western countries have voted against it or abstained and let's look at those this great return march so to speak and we saw it b.b.c. documentary only a couple of nights ago in the u.k. that clearly showed and quote palestinian demonstrators saying that there were some us terrorists in our midst with rifles and a tape. the cell phones and stalls attacking israeli positions we saw yassin while the head of hamas saying we're going to tear the border down and israelis israel
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has the right as any sovereign nation to defend its borders and its civilians within those borders so following up with we are talking about the b.b.c. and of course the b.b.c. they say that they want to cover your vision and say it's not political nothing to do with they're going to have a validation of israel you go with the b.b.c. version of that rather than the united nations that says israel israeli soldiers gunned down 6000 unarmed protesters. 1st of all if you watch the b.b.c. documentary many of them were not armed you can see the hamas cynically used the palestinian civilians as human shields and you know you've got other guests coming on the show like locate i mean by actually excusing the our so much that using its own powers to get but you know nation as cover for its terrorist activities by not calling them out criticizing it like ok or roger waters of people like that are actually harming the people that all 3 palestinians they profess the castle but you
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a for cup final later in a couple of weeks time is being held in azerbaijan terrible human rights record these people are not calling for a boycott but you know i think that's also a point taken but of course when you cut the country in the world is in violation of more united nations resolutions than israel and. not and doesn't not just go to show you how biased the united nations is but they've they've they've not i nor does the world you can't be biased of the united nations can you know what your challenge is look at this from from a statistical point of view the united nations has passed more resolutions in the past year against israel than it has against syria they were bombing at civilians and you know this as well as i do with chemical weapons well the syrian government continue to deny any use of chemical weapons and i asked the former mayor of she you know why is it israel was helping the rebels in syria like britain of course supported some of those rebels why was it treating al-qaeda in isis day forces is israel now in the same side as saudi arabia isis day al-qaeda and how must
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a group which of course israel funded the creation of i think that there's never been any proof that israel has funded or helped isis with di asho out qaeda what enhanced all of we support netanyahu on the golan heights visiting the hospital in the occupied golan heights and they were treating al-qaeda and isis you know you what you saw him visit saying and say and treats it was it's syrian civilians caught up in this brutal civil war who is. i've seen israeli field hospitals treating syrian women and children. caught up in this brutal civil war. so that you know. it's conspiracy theories on steroids i mean it's you know it's only instead an experience bloom thank you after the break in response to your visions on gone test final on the b.b.c.
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hip hop artist and actress gnocchi performs his song long live palestine 3 featuring ken loach and frankie boyle all this coming up about 2 going on the ground. there's an international economic forum is a unique event in today's business world. over the last 21 years the forum has
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become a leading global platform for discussing the keys economic issues facing russia emerging markets and the world thousands of business community members attend the forum to address today's vital issues. watch our special forum coverage on r.t. . that's geysers financial survival. it is it is the central plank support diet plumbing problem right now so you start to. i am reluctant to give credit to the president trying for just about anything but by action in a way when he said at the beginning of his presidency that he'd be open to working to one state or a 2 state solution whatever these rising about. i think that was actually
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a smart thing to say given the legacy of american support for israel the expansion essentially over the decades given the kind of political culture and political system that israel has developed there really isn't. something between palestinians and israelis. welcome back well no party leader at this week's u.k. prime minister's questions thought to raise the fact it was taking place on so-called knockabout day all the day of catastrophe for palestinians to resume did find time to issue this warning to iran after its arrest of an alleged u.k. spy at the british council. sadly the arrest of this individual shows that iran's attitude towards entirely legitimate organizations which are trying to foster better relations and cultural understanding between countries but this is an issue
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that the government. actually will take on what does she mean and why does she arguably seem nervous could it be that she is privy to why the u.s. began evacuating diplomats that day ahead of the u.s.s. abraham lincoln in memphis warship u.s.s. arlington reaching iran's shores suddenly your vision was not mentioned perhaps as the b.b.c. told this program and contradicting our israeli guests in one eurovision taking. in israel is not a political event joining me now is why artist and activist loki thank you so much for coming back on so we heard from the former mayor of an occupied west bank town northwest friends of israel both appear just say the likes of you roger waters will velez who knows lourdes lana del rey elvis costello all of them are all n.z. mates or the question has to be asked in this situation if jimmy carter comes out and says israel is presently an apartheid state if archbishop desmond tutu comes
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out and says he supports b.d.s. and that was a really vital part of the emancipation of people in south africa if nelson mandela of all people came out and said that their freedom was incomplete without the freedom of the palestinian people is anyone seriously suggesting that jimmy carter is an anti seem like is anyone seriously suggesting that desmond tutu is an anti seymour i think that's quite ridiculous for us to be honest with you ok well you deal with the idea semitism judge what about the fact that your vision is a celebration of music it's not political madonna and graham norton say it's a political obviously the b.b.c. does and albeit that it of course does validate israel but it's a political well i mean the fact is this the eurovision is taking place at the exact time marking the anniversary of the neck preceding the neck but there were thousands of palestinians driven from their homes by zionist gangs on the neck
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750000 palestinians were dispersed to other places and displaced from their land for the euro vision to take place at this time is an attempt to normalize israel as you know interestingly being an extension or of european colonialism but normalize it as part of a happy. general as. in this fear that somehow people can take as something normal let's be clear israel is an exceptional state and what do i mean by that it's not exceptional because we concentrate on it and focus on it as part of b.d.s. it's exceptional because no other state violates as many un resolutions and is sanction proof how is it possible that a state that continually targets civilians in violation of protocol one of the geneva convention the amendment to the geneva convention how is it possible
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that they deny palestinians the right under article 11 of un resolution 1004 to return home how is it possible that the illegal siege of gaza which has kept 2000000 people imprisoned. or blocked off from many different really at the whim of the israeli government being blocked off from medical supplies and from food and whatnot when israel wants to in a frictionless occupation how is it possible that you can have the amount of violations of international law that have taken place clearly and have been documented by human rights watch by amnesty international we're not talking about radical voices here somehow israel is sanction proof is for that reason that we engage with b.d.s. because we have seen on advice from people in south africa that it was an essential part of it were it not for the musicians union here in the sixty's being the 1st
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trade grouping to call for a boycott and not allow its members to go and perform in south africa were it not for the specials in 1904 making the song free nelson mandela at a time when even holding those mandela's picture in public was deemed to be illegal at a time when margaret thatcher was called in the a.n.c. terrorists at a time. david cameron was calling for the execution of nelson mandela when jeremy corbyn was being arrested on the streets of london for protesting against apartheid at a time when even you had david cameron as late as 89 being having a paid for a trip to south africa by an anti sanctions lobbying firm. it put south africa into a situation where dock workers all the way from liverpool to melbourne were refusing to handle south african cargo and what i would say to be absolutely clear
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is that benjamin netanyahu and donald trump are racist murderous they are walking monstrosities now those that stand with them today will not be judged kindly by history as thomas paine said time converts more than reason and as we have seen precisely with apartheid south africa those who were either slow to pull out or those who stood with apartheid south africa as let's not forget the same time when the specials were making free nelson mandela and bob dylan in bruce springsteen when making sun city you had shimon peres attempting to sell nuclear weapons to apartheid south africa at the time it was a pariah you even had former prime minister of south africa in the sixty's saying israel is like us an apartheid state now the question is surely at that time or of boycott divestment and sanctions movement against south african apartheid you had people say well why don't you boycott this country or why don't you boycott that
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country exactly the same logic is used to justify us not boycotting israel at this stage we have to be absolutely clear that music played a really integrity part of that process in south africa and while it may not be an exact twin sibling of south african apartheid there are commonalities and there are also different differences is certainly a cousin of trump and netanyahu would deny their races mergers you keep taking these parallels with apartheid south africa nelson mandela obviously believed in violence for the cause of ending apartheid this b.d.s. movement presumably isn't. whereas in south africa there was this village of wing there's no carlos the jackal anymore he's in jail where madonna goes and sings on your vision no one is going to assassinate her has might have happened who knows in the days of sun city an artist going there what do you think about the fact that any artist can really get away with playing in your vision today and nothing's
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really going to happen to them i mean elvis costello pulled out lauryn hill pulled down. when you say get away with it i'm not sure exactly how you mean you mean get away from physical harm in that's good i wouldn't want it is going to really harm any of these artists career well we can be clear that your vision has actually flopped according to the head of the israel broadcasting service is the 1st country in 64 years of the history of your a vision that has failed to fund it the government has failed to fund itself you know it's relied on the broadcasting service to fund it a huge amount of the tickets have been left unsold there has not been a spike in tourism euro vision in israel as a project has failed and it's failed thanks to the international campaign britain has closed military ties with israel to resume and under labor government services of money and weapons have been sent there what do you make of the fact that the
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granville cladding many factor are comic is associated with the f. 30 planes war planes that may be being used in joint. israeli air force training yeah i mean it's a really tragic part of this story that not only can our clinic as a company not make planting that keeps home safe they also seen the f. 35 has been something that the us government has subsidized to such a massive level but yet it's still yet to show evidence that it actually works so our clinic has participated in 2 ridiculous operation. and along with lockheed martin m.b.a. systems they've made this f. $35.00 and it's been sold already to many governments around the world but it was going to save the b.b.c. as i say standing up for their your vision coverage what do you make of the fact that the b.b.c. that alone many journalists will be saying the b.b.c.
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headline reason was garza rocket barrage would prompt israeli strikes would even goes in the minds of journalists who were who didn't need to say it is the problem is from garz and not from israel clearly they're arguing for violations of international law rocket strikes would not justify extra duty judicial killings and they would not justify the collective punishment which is what those israeli strikes are let's be clear the $2000000.00 people that are besieged in gaza in it as are besieged there illegally by the israeli government and trying to juxtapose events as if there hasn't been thousands of palestinians injured over the last year as if there hasn't been hundreds killed as this there hadn't just in the last 24 hours before the most recent clashes as they put it. been. palestinians killed unarmed civilians killed at the border at their wall by the
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i.d.f. it's almost as if there is a campaign to sweep the palestinian death out of its context and to strip people of humanity and general agency is almost a rule that seems across the media to precede reports of israeli violence with a number of rockets from gaza now why is that happening and why does it seem to be so commonsensical in uniform across different parts of the media because what it says to do is strip this whole situation out of its context ok where you mention jeremy corbyn being arrested for his defiance of apartheid the british government support for a budget what do you make of his jenna defense secretary griffin who seems to be rowing back slightly on it her support for penny more than the new defense secretary saying there has to be moratorium on war crimes after 10 years soldiers should be able to be calm life and not worry about alleged war crimes presumably
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you'd think that britain is involved in war crimes because it's working with the israeli military i think she should resign and i think tony blair should be prosecuted. for war crimes i do not think it should just be aimed at soldiers obviously but i think we should really look at our understanding of the corbin phenomena his vindication by standing against the iraq war is what has propelled him to the position he is in and there needs to be loyalty to those that stood against the iraq war we are talking about the largest civil taney of smoke billows ation of human beings in recorded history what that was the demonstration against the iraq war i am certain that a large percentage of those people if not all would support the prosecuting of tony blair and of course would not want soldiers to just go scot free but we have
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a journey where on the program you're going to play us out with a kind of response to your vision ok yes that's it for the show but before we go in response to your vision 20000000 loci will play us out with his song long live palestine you can see the performing tonight would like right just add wolf alice at the not to your vision party for palestine and for velo london in camden we're back on monday to talk to dr strangelove with the daughter of stanley kubrick and till then keep in touch with social media so your monday here is lowkey with long live palestine. this is for palestine. it's a. submission this is my shit this is the. palestine. suppression it's a question this is. what he. says would. still break if we are still here it's all about the limits of your. government
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ceded she. went. in. the last week. she was. it's you who says this is who can we call the super. strength of spirit of. how to live when it's from the clouds of. the sound of who claims to the satellite image he can use it to speak to sanitize in the latest book in the civil. suit. the state. the state. the state. of the state. to say. this is dedicated to 12000000 palestinians
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why. it's wrong and the inside. of the graves of you'll see. some concepts that israel has thanks to the international. treat. people. that's the thought of.
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if you. give. that's just. the 3rd i want to do it is your show these days with really be very clear. a way to go. and they are they they are and they have.
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a need to feel the. sun yeah i'm them what do you how much. do you. mean that within there's a constant next time. this is a story about what happens auster a stray bullet kills a young girl in the streets. what happens to her family and daughters in florida you know the mother daughter is buried in a cemetery it meaning messes with your head what happens to the community the public was screaming for a scapegoat the police needed a scapegoat so why not choose a 19 year old black kid with a criminal record who better to pen this than him and what happens in court. be.
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shocked shocked as far off as i really feel. we don't know she'll just brutal. and i'm just i'm sure. you. will still not know she will just. as headline stories austria's vice chancellor resigns after becoming ensnared in a corruption scandal heinz christian straka was secretly filmed offering government in exchange for political support in the run up to the 2017 election. also ahead a leaked document called into question the world chemical weapons watchdogs conclusions about an alleged chemical attack on the outskirts of the syrian.

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