different from the parliament seen other countries in the west you could at least agree with me that mr proby has been quite critical of zelinsky 1st moves as president 1st and foremost his decision to disband the parliament and call for new elections he's been his rhetoric has been pretty divisive i would say you disagree but mr probus is a representative for both parties called popular front and this party suffers the most. of the premature elections because right now they they came 1st in the previous elections a lot of popular support because their prime minister he said you have to be responsible for the most unpopular reforms in the contrail and increase of gas and electricity tariffs what people of course like a poll. that's why the. approval of the sponsor right now is. so it's over this the in the next election the sponsors move making it to the next

parliament so of course he was. against and of course was speaking very loudly against this but. another political party which makes that will encourage. be a pro presidential party is the other way around so they won't premature elections because they think that there was for there were no eyes right now and that they can become the major opposition in the next parliament which. for this because well i think this is actually a very interesting topic because the outgoing rather is filled with my down political class these are the people who just 5 years ago presented themselves as this new generation that's radically different from all their predecessors and yet judging from opinion polls their chances of getting reelected are about as good as pressure why do you think the voters say getting so skeptical every open. it mildly

so skeptical of the my don crop of politicians but you see here they were going to see that happen to $1014.00 it was not feel has it even started a law it was started because they managed to overthrow all the previous governments they made the former president and c.e.o. of course which to free the country are. good to read though for representatives of the old elites the poor associate with a battlefield each of them 5 years down the line. busy that was the major the major thing of course people wanted much more and they didn't want just the ability to travel freely with europe they won't it's rude to become part of europe but to become part of the fury means a lot of social guarantees social care it means. living standards. this is a very far way to go still in ukraine now one consistent feature of ukrainian politics is that bill if you have politicians to shed their political skin and grow

a new one do you think people who used to associate themselves with either pressure or somebody else obviously likely to try to rebrand themselves as supporters. some will try or verse clear but i don't think they will be generally very much successful. ukraine is true for the 1st time in this hysteria to receive a parliament where one part of the would have the majority of seats that will be a personal skiis a political party have called this sort of impulse of the people. and the support of a new phenomenon in ukrainian politics because before that water started to give one chunk of power to the president and the mother to his opponents in the form that are in the parliament secondly of course because for the parliament is elected partially on the parts of the eastern part of chile and soon go monday to.

districts those people who are elected directly by the people usually the people from the business just. local dignity. to be politically of course to. the boss they most likely would joining the. corps currently they more likely to be alliance with mr resilience q but then your way i think that the decisions would be made snowing. the power would be we more consulted the 5th the 5th was before now even to be taking it for granted that selenski is would have a smashing success as a parliamentary seat on the spot it would have a smashing success at the parliamentary elections but it's clear that he's team is very limited they don't have people on the ground they don't have enough infrastructure to organize that vote and to some respect the parliamentary vote is much more complex and complicated than the presidential vote because you have to vote with the many many representatives rather than the one why you so sure that

all those people in single man they districts will support him because they tend to associate themselves with bush i'm going to posit impression seems to be quite fired up to continue his political life well of course the former president will fight for his best to stay in port 6 but we saw the moment move to previous elections though selectional shoulder very clear is that people want all the people from the postes to go. that's why me some of the key have got almost 75 percent or 4 people support those elections of course. parliamentary elections your core you absolutely correct would be so convincing most likely he would get closer to 50 percent support for his political. positive but that will be

sufficient to get more than 50 percent of seats in the parliament of course we will see how that goes about the current forecast he would have $230.00 seats in 450 seats at home there are now i heard you say recently dad the changes that you've personally like to see in russia would have to start in ukraine and this is something we heard 5 years ago from patrol poroshenko who essentially continued with politics as usual now clearly selenski looks fresher and more progressive but i suppose it's not just about looks aren't you being carried away by his style at the expense of substance or substances yet to come because being associated with the government of ukraine is what the presidential republican is a parliamentary republic and the government is being formed by the parliament so right now president is more

a symbolic figure rather than the real either so he will take as you move the power i would say or only by the end of the summer. before that but returning to your original question you see mr poroshenko was coming to power as the president of peace unfortunately croom has pushed him to become the president or who are. a fool scale offensive in eastern ukraine by grabbing more pieces of territory of the original i suppose mr poroshenko didn't have a say you are trying to tell me that everything is decided in moscow they present a few great had absolutely no decision and that there is there is in the gresham and the country has to defend itself and you cannot be the president of peace when you have to defend yourself you can still deal with corruption issues and economic growth reach he didn't deal with successfully i think you would grab. me that

that's a separate issue the primary issue for ukrainians was the question of war and peace and that was the 1st major problem with the previous present them but that was more his fault it was the fact that was imposed over the country by the external force force was in more school rather than arguing about who is to blame for what's happening between russia and ukraine what i'm more interested in is the sort of the transformation in posts of its side is and we all know that it's far more complicated than it seems look at their media for example they had a peaceful transition of power last year and i think it's clear that the new prime minister is facing a lot of difficulties reforming the system getting rid of corruption etc i just wonder if people on their ass have made how difficult it is to change things in our countries and if they perhaps expect too much from their leaders and too little from themselves nor of course it is very difficult and ukraine is

a large country. 45000000 people so with just one 3rd or for the size of russia so. for smoke like 10 times a 100 times. like small georgia with 4000000 people with their wealth to start his reforms or what 3000000 people you know with pushing on of course we are talking about a country which has them times larger. of course the fact that when their share is very large but still it starts from the feeder off the either eve the neither is clean if the leader is moten. deals if they neither one. has a priority. to making his citizen prosperous then i think everything would move in the right direction and i think that is exactly the type of either i'm talking about well mr panama if we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a. you moments stay tuned. to

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election doesn't exist the more we give them the sooner we are all. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president injury. or some want to. have to go right to be cross with what the before 3 in the morning can't be good. i'm interested always in the waters in the. west sydney. welcome to mexico as are plentiful survival guide. looking closer to the earth that's what them. yanks this is what happens to pensions in britain delegates at the g. . watch kaiser report. you know world of

big partisan mob and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smart we need to stop slamming the door on the bad and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now we're watching closely watching the hawks. welcome back to worlds apart in the up on the mat also a russian political in exile in ukraine. by the way your twitter handle still

describes you as temporarily reciting in ukraine is that an accurate description given that from what i know you've recently acquired the ukrainian passport are you there still temporarily or are you there for life or i here until we see positive changes both in ukraine and russia yes i acquire ukraine your citizenship probably has a former president mr poroshenko that's happened through his last day and more in his last working hour in his office which i am probable from very very thankful for him but. needs to wake the country successful and that's what i am diligently working at every day did you have to give up your russian citizenship to get the ukrainian one or ukraine new war current food acquires a year or so to say grace period during which i am to decide to give up my. russian

citizenship. is what i am pressured to do this immediately and there are a lot of discussions in the parliament to work shari'a law will citizenship but i don't think that would be a political goal for russians because. my country unfortunately still the aggressor . ukraine and i think that for russia that would be an exclusive and that would be rolled out these the will see the citizenship but anyway we see well i think the experience of some of these self exiled ukrainian politicians may all for some hope to you because a lot of them have been returning to key of these days after a few years of self exile in israel or in the europe the most prominent one the one that's attracting a lot of attention is obviously eager kalinowski what do you think is the nature of his relationship with the new president. i think the part of course because mr t. was the or when they're off t.v. channel one plus one we're 50 quarter of the.

4 mr sills key was go into life every week. as far as the enormous took almost he was heavily in the frontal for life for 5 words or less why he had to support mr hill's could you were intellectuals and that's what what what he did and i suppose this is not where the. connection ends at least in public imagination because president selenski has made a number of controversial appointments recently but they want that attracted most attention is the bog down colombo person the lawyer who is now serving as the lansky they had of the lansky is presidential administration do you think this appointment is consistent with. actual promise to put an end to politics as usual. first of all about the baltics as you show in the mean when you fist or. also the sort of impulse of the people

it was actually display like least like an experienced president from the people mr go about which cole was performed by me sort of those kids come into power and he has as he's right and as the chief of staff a person from the past who is actually helping him to live in the troubled waters of ukrainian politics so in this appointment of mr both of them is fully consistent with this promise and that's exactly what he did but speaking seriously i'm used to the book is local so that mr cole more skill his. political career i mean has started in the political party of the president in the times before if you want to show them both of them was moving they've put a hold on that other but by president bush and co and was on the part of the lists or. a political party. that operation.

no he's working with mr seely else because so i think if he is just a professional mercenary so to say a professional warrior who works for different masters well one of the masters you failed to mention was the ousted president viktor you know convicts he served in his government as well and believe it or not he was responsible for fighting corruption just for one year for one year he was appointed as the chief for french a corruption team and actually resigned because he. failed the war actually when the success in the environment was at the time well but he still worked for the administration and from what i understand there is a law that prevents him or prevents the ministration from appointing him in any civil capacity now what i'm interested in is why do you think mr selenski would take such care. controversial decision because he clearly is

a smart guy he could have been oblivious to the kind of outcry that he's this appointment would produce do you think he made it on purpose or do you think it's indicative of the governing style that selenski may assume in the future i think that. here is the parallel with mr trump. coming to power of the person who has no political experience he needs to have people who form one size he can trust from another side who can actually do your. and there is a great defensive of such people next to. hugh there are some people who can come trust. in the appointment which i think is close to brew and his when he appointed his former executive my leisure of flying for as quarter of this t.v. show as the new chief of. the new chief or again the speaking american storms on the homeland security. which may. here in kiev but that's because

that's the persons of interest he's a trust to clean up. the sort of the sense of corruption. that are facing him with mr wharton was just that the more it is the most politically experienced guy and he is appointed to the position or for office for mr steele skin off the person who they call the back office stuff all the dirty work for this purpose i think that that he fits perfectly now are ukrainians are known for their exquisite sense of humor and i think the success of his lenski is a testament to that but i think you would also perhaps agree that what people in ukraine and in many other post soviet countries want to see is some sort of meritocracy rather than a new leader coming in and appointing his close friends in the position of power big arliss of what they have. a necessary experience on not it's understandable in the 1st few days of administration. do you think that

approach would have to change as mrs m m's q moves forward more again. was a promise that was absolutely clear stated in the movie that time will come although he's not the political platform though seriously it is that force may. seem a show that's why people actually voted for him i have all saw myself 4. dollars so whether all the people would be able to perform properly but most likely . would learn some of them probably will be replaced in the future if if they would fail to do or. at least they are clean trust for free and they are not bottle part of the past which i really appreciate let me ask you one more question about the book down i don't know if you had a chance to read his recent interview but what struck me in it was that he almost tries to project himself as the steve bannan of ukrainian politics he takes credit

for pushing selenski toward the elections he claims to be this larger than life political strategist almost to muster mind of the lefties candidacy do you think it's a fair comparison between bogged down bad and i think that it's more speaks about the personality these guys are really a very ambitious guy. that's why he was criticized so heavily by everybody so i think that he is in the friend that that he's trying to brand that all the time by a mindless puppets of mr coleman that's why he wants to say no guys i'm different i have my own. you know one of the favorite jokes currently in ukraine speaking about ukrainian humor is that ukraine is all war with game or frauds and ukraine is now starting a young boy. i know that this young porpoise here is one of the favorites here is so for mr. inskeep his 1st public performances remind you so much about that if you

remember all those muster miles all those people who were quite convinced that they would be able to pull strings there venture near work completely out of any political influence and i think that would be the case with mr zale skills well that's you know there's parallels with cinema they make me think of. because i mean it's one thing to watch something on the telly and people usually do that when their reality is not very. exciting do you think there will have to come a moment when the ukraine him political class will have to face the harsh reality of actually building the economy and delivering on the promises that it made to the all i think that is quite obvious the focus will be the primary focus for mr zale scare truth to fix their call me because currently unfortunately yes it is the poorest country in the you were up and that's the result of previous posts together

if you crane in the leaves and international advisor so fire away from the whole others. commute to fix all that in the near future but also probably would not be achieved without making peace with the russian. aggression in eastern ukraine and they think that also has started this is the right approach he wants to speak directly to people if you want to the critical question for hope to achieve peace on the public referendum and i think that's the exactly the right approach the war make it through with the old elites to move to a new future well i i i don't know if you've heard that but i think you're already a back paddled on the promise of having some direct engagement with the crime and he was asked the other day whether he wants to have any talks with moscow and he said. no and this is actually what i want to ask you about. the kind of approach

that you would like moscow to take i'm sure you know that the kremlin has so far been called addict and distant yet i can tell you that russia would love to have a new beginning with ukraine it's avodah and regardless of who you talk to what kind of approach do you think would be optimal here because clearly i mean investing too much hope and big too forthcoming may not work well as well because as as i said the landscape has already been cattle from his promises only in order fourscore wants to have peace with ukraine there is a very clear and very easy math of how to do this thing called military force from eastern ukraine and crimea and there will be peace with ukraine you call that easy seriously you have an experience in russian politics you think that's easy what you're proposing here what this means the structure world war or peace unfortunately my country currently wants war and more peace but i think there is

a possibility here to negotiate about one part of that war the one which. ukraine you remember if you years ago there was also previous tensions relationship between russia and georgia politically died relationship hasn't been restored but at least when it comes to the economy the trade is back do you think the same scenario of bringing some sort of economic rapprochement could be a plea to relations between moscow and kiev of course i think. all with skill being fearful for for russia. the question is well these being if you really try to help to finance the war ukraine cannot afford that that's why force which needs to be taken to the. eastern ukraine stopping the face or from us.

i think i would i would agree with the statement both sides of the division line i think that's critical taking both sides but. it's always fun talking to you we have to leave it there thank you very much for making yourself available. and by our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. same place same time here on worlds apart.

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