in india in our coverage of the largest democratic vote in history but the indian congress i'm victorious b j p party has made allegations against the nuclear neighbors pakistan the high commission in london has since got back to going underground to counter claims in our interviews pakistan itself is a victim of terrorism and suffered both in terms of losses to human lives and its economy we have lost more than $70000.00 citizens including over 6000 soldiers and economic losses to the chuen of $120000000000.00 us dollars bogs down also had its concern with regard to terrorism viz a viz india pakistan remains committed not to allow its territory against any country prime minister iran khan and his recent public messages to the indian leadership has called for dialogue and resolving all outstanding issues particularly kashmir dispute to bring peace and prosperity in south asia we remain committed to peace with all our neighbors and beyond and we hope to have pakistan's prime minister imran khan as well as narendra modi on the show soon but now

straight to one of humankind the most fundamental freedoms journalism currently arguably under attack in the u.k. joining me via skype from new york is lawyer and harvard law professor emeritus alan dershowitz on thanks for coming on the show what do you make of julian songe in a u.k. court tomorrow via video link on extradition charges to the united states for violating the espionage act i think the united states government made a foolish tactical blunder by indicting him and in the espionage act merely publishing material that was classified and stolen by others had they maintained their original indictment for helping to break into a password and helping to steal classified information i think the extradition would be open and shut and britain would under the tree extradite but now they raise the problem whether this prosecution whether it's prosecution there could not occur in great britain whether it's a prosecution that great britain. in its discretion would prefer not to be part of

so i think they made it harder to extradite by this 2nd indictment which was utterly unnecessary they could have given him a one sentence if he had been convicted under the 1st indictment so why did they go forward with the 2nd one a foolish mistake or in fact part of a grand conspiracy involving a russian agent as your president and wiki leaks a russian organization a sondre russian agent himself and this was a deliberate attempt to make it impossible for britain to extradite julian assad to the united states because no country could have a extradite on the has been attacked they still could extradite under the what's called the principle of speciality they could extradite on the 1st indictment if the united states is prepared to give them a commitment that it will not try him on the espionage indictment with the united states be prepared to give that commitment perhaps as part of a negotiation but i don't in any way give any credit at all to the grand conspiracy

theory why do you thing it took so long for and i understand we can consider them babs fair weather friends the new york times the washington post c.n.n. m s n b c and others to suddenly understand that they had to defend judy in a songe at all costs certainly they don't want to defend and they don't want to be associated with this kind of journalism but the 1st amendment doesn't distinguish between mainstream media and wiki leaks certainly not in the day of social media today where many americans get their news not from the new york times the washington post or even c.n.n. but from social media and from twitter and from facebook and a range of other media so i think it's going to be hard to screen go to the united states to make kind of distinction that the justice department is trying to make in this indictment it's funny you say they don't want to be associated with his kind of journalism site hersh the pulitzer prize winner. supposed the massacre has been

on this show has already said that this isn't jet tradition threatens the new york times washington post c.n.n. them as n.b.c. perhaps all journalists use weiqi leaks now as a as a really important source is that why this indictment is so important to the to the u.s. security state the so-called military industrial complex well even if they didn't use wiki leaks as a source it would be very important because going after the mere publisher going after the person who did the actual publication as distinguished from the person who stole the material of who had a duty not to disclose it because they worked for the united states government going after the mere publisher opens up the possibility of going after the new york times the washington post or the pentagon papers case as you know the supreme court didn't say in that case that the ready washington post the new york times couldn't be prosecuted all they said is they couldn't be stopped from publishing it but

after they publish it it was left open the possibility of going after them the government of the united states under the nixon administration chose not to do that but they had the option of trying and now years later the truck administration has taken out the supreme court and on that option and indicted somebody for mere publication if this case actually starts and britain extradite teaching this stuff a decades professor what you're really saying it reflects on the foundations of the united states itself on the history of this stuff political pamphlet is like james calendar and thomas paine yes i mean you know your history calendar was in many ways far worse than anybody publishing today he specialized in a made up law is he was paid for what he needed he hid his commitments he was a god awful journalist but he certainly was protected by the 1st amendment. the 1st amendment indeed. was the zines or people busy encounter although in the 1st years

of our republic we violated the 1st amendment by passing the alien and sedition act which permitted the prosecution of people like calendar and others it's notable though that the democrats have not been great defenders of judea massage a surprise that they have been slow to it or maybe more motivated by the d.n.c. leaks i should just say we can't exist not like a calendar they've never got anything wrong in any publication to date. how do you characterize a democrat visa v well that this is a dent in freedom the democrats believe in free speech for me but not for the as do the republicans most americans do they'll defend free speech where helps them i think the democrats are very angry at a signs for his alleged role not yet proven that he tried to help trump become a president yeah i mean i should say assad is denies that he's part is out on these

issues and just believes in freedom information meant i'm going to tell you that i mean the u.s. justice department national security division boss john dema is as a julian assange is no journalist well he's wrong about that that's not surprising that that position would be taken by national security team but they're just wrong and the supreme court will hold that he's a journalist i have no doubt about that now course the supreme court may not get this case intil the personnel on the court is very different and president trump if he's elected to a 2nd term and gets a couple of appointments which he likely will get could shape the supreme court in a way that would make it more difficult for a songe to prevail so we can't predict what the supreme court will do 2 or 3 or 4 years from now there is a political aspect to this case a given because there were a sex crime out a geisha is from sweden and the italian journalist if any of my ritzy suggested.

using a freedom of information requests of the british crown prosecution service kind of begs sweden to uphold sex crime allegations this was when the current actually shattered records like we can't stop was the crown prosecution service do use anything you've seen and i know you used to advise jitteriness and anything to suggest there's a there is politics at play and certainly between britain and the united states as regards an extradition hearing depends how you define politics broadly inerrantly i don't think there or is politics at play at play here at this point in time it may later on when it comes to supreme court appointments and how important this ringback case is to the trumpet administration of course i can the partisan politics i was kind of referring to was the subordinate role played by the united kingdom to the united states in the sort of architecture of. world power perhaps and trump you know that great britain sees it that way. well here that when

when trump is it's great britain now you you've been on so many of these t.v. stations that are now suddenly defending as sons do you think when you talk to the other commentators and pundits and all the rest trump is a sort of fair weather friend of assad's because of course he famously said we love wiki leaks and has since said he doesn't know anything about them what's his view we don't know for sure whether he had in you were all in this decision or whether it was made by lower ranking justice department officials i think generally an indictment like this has to be approved by the attorney general bar i don't think it would have to go up to the white house in fact it would not probably go to the white house so i don't know what president trumps you this is he has been a fair weather friend again free speech for me but not for the when a son has done things which are perceived as being trumped these as friends and if he turns against him will be his enemy that's what trump is. done to virtually

everybody over the years that attorney general barr of course who put these charges together ultimately you have supported him and his summary of the report you you really don't believe that trump is some sort of kremlin stooge oh no absolutely not i think trump is his own person and i think he did a lot to try to get aleck didn't he would help he would accept help from anybody i think by the way the same thing is true of democrats or anybody else running you want to bet you want to win and if anybody office you're out you're going to take that that help but notice that you've noted the lack of exoneration on obstruction of justice is i have is it said to this country donald trump is coming to london and meeting the queen and of structure of justice i don't believe he is actually the president can obstruct justice by merely exercising his constitutional authority busy to fire somebody or pardon somebody that precedent was stablish when

george h.w. bush fired caspar weinberger on the eve of his trial for the purposes of ending there and controversy geisha and just finally when the world reports on this extradition hearing in a court and off in the studio tomorrow do you think the name joe mccarthy is a name that can be bandied around in europe with respect to the possible 175 year sentence facing june innocent no i don't think so i think mccarthyism is is quite different mccarthyism is going after people for their beliefs not for what they've done look there's there is it's a very complex case against a son to the 1st indictment is a lot legally firmer than the 2nd indictment but i think i would reserve the word mccarthyism for more serious violations of individual rights that are really uncontroversial but do you think it could be reserved then against a foreign visitor don't trump because big. noises being made by the senate

intelligence committee and ultram himself tweeting against them about the use of congressional committees against the executive and the use of congressional committees does raise questions the specter of mccarthyism that that's what mccarthy did he used congressional committees to destroy the reputations of people to subpoena them to summon them for improper legislative purposes and i think one can make an argument that the democrats are doing that today that their legislative purposes are really create texts for partisan political goals that they see being served by using these speeches. professor alan dershowitz thank you thank you often bright will britain stop its illegal occupation of islands used for torture rendition and illegal bombing in the middle east we speak exclusively to the u.n. ambassador at the center of a resolution that leaves the u.k. internationally isolated bonus of all coming up a plot to have going on the ground. join

me every thursday on the alec simon show and i'll be speaking to guests of the world of politics small business i'm show business i'll see you then. he would meet suffered another humiliating black eye and bloody nose all across europe voters put the elites on notice the status quo is not working for the people the search for the right in the rise of populism may be a game changer. callista's. in orwell the state could stand any surveillance cameras in. our present day or well 19 eighty-four dystopian nightmare we put in the cameras we install the cameras on the nest. cameras in our doors and our mental pieces on the spine devices in our

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misconduct that has nothing to do with solving a problem. welcome back in the past few days britain has been isolated of the un with 116 nations voting for a resolution against its continued occupation of indian ocean islands one leased to the usa for alleged torture rendition and illegal warfare for more on the 6 month ultimatum to britain to return the chaebol silence to riches i'm joined now by skype from the un's headquarters in new york. couldn't jewel the permanent representative of marriages to the u.n. thank you so much ambassador for coming on the show just remind us what the vote at the u.n. on the change was ireland's in the past few days actually means. i think former issues it is a big success that we have we need to get that much support back. on

a matter of course that is linked to unfinished colonization and we believe that for the u.k. this has been quite a humiliation despite the tremendous amount of pressure. on many many countries so i think that this is certainly a wake up call that should be 2 and just everything very briefly how did britain come to have the islands obviously one of them now being leased to the united states as diego garcia base. but as you will recall in 65 i did decide to excise the shock of silence from the charity of the richest in order to give it to the u.s. on lease for security purposes. this extension happened now it has been established unlawfully. reach that national law because the

all the advisory opinion of the game makes it very clear that the shadows are formed and has always been an integral part of the territory of russia's so that the new small and it continues to be more one that is why you could have been asked that it should and its administration. rocket yes possible you see the britain's foreign office says how can the world court reach a decision let alone the united nations without the consent of both nations mercer's on the united kingdom. well the difference here is that this is not ensure this issue this is not a bilateral dispute. makes it. makes people believe this is purely a case of incomplete and unfinished because a lot of asian that's the court has rightly pointed out this is not dispute that

would have arisen. if the u.k. had not breached international law. so it is because it has breached international law and by and has therefore not. given the opportunity for the people of malicious do exercise it's not right to say to the nation that this has happened today so clearly this is not an issue where the court required consent from both sides to give an opinion so we said you're not. taken us so you agree with your libor invoke my drug. for instance some this is a crime against humanity i mean just take we know from wiki leaks that. there was gordon brown here an official calling roberts of the foreign office so the population removal was needed to base united states warplanes and he said that the

cable data 15 may 20 or 9. that the their man fridays the presumably the only people there anyway. that's right well let me let me just clarify one thing that what my prime minister said that this statement when he referred to crimes against humanity he said that the events that took place at that time were aachen to crimes against humanity so we have locked actually said that it was a crime against humanity it was said that the crimes that were committed were very much close to what it would have been in meet the definition of crimes against humanity and what has crime forcible eviction of the entire population and i would indeed it would see in the article 7 of the statute of rome the

i.c.c. it says clearly in article in paragraph one that for the purpose of this statute crimes against humanity means any of the following acts and one of such acts is the deporter nation all forcible transfer of population and this is very sizing what happened and it's a very very very deplorable conditions so as it is a crime against humanity. it could certainly be argued if. one has to take this issue yes well you know you know what do you feel when the wiki leaks cable revealed that they were trying to create this idea of a marine reserve to ensure the u.s. base saying the u.k. environmental lobby is far more powerful than the target to see him advocate well you know you know the whole story there the ocean people have tried on several occasions to bring this matter to you kate courts but systematically the u.k.

has found a way to prevent the resettlement of these people and i think the last thing that did then was the actual creation of the n.b.a. . in respect of wheelchairs you probably know mr roberts who was then the fallen roberts roberts he said he puts it very clearly that that the creation of the n.p.a. is going to put paid to the whole a deal the 2nd so the whole the whole n.p.a. has been created not necessarily for the purposes of preserving the environment but more to to prevent any resettlement on the border that make you and your colleagues and the people back in marriages feel when they saw them as the phrase goes maintaining the fiction the 165 statement well you know it's

when when anybody is trying to create fiction your bound to keep some pain or. loopholes and these loopholes they have tried to fix them with more lies which in the end of course is not sure ready any credibility whatsoever you see jeremy hunt the foreign office jeremy hunt now trying to become prime minister of the tory party yeah he defacto says in a way that if they gave it back to. piracy organized crime these are the things that britain is using to take us out to protect the world from well what would be if we wouldn't agree with that we think that there are other bases there on the. similar activities but they don't necessarily have to be solved in 2 of the there are many of them that have been released by the us from from other countries and we

don't see how and why more issues could not be part. and and provide the same kind of comfort. but i think i know you want to supportive of the anglo american war on iraq where presumably if moriches had had the chair go silence militias would still have allowed the americans to have bombed iraq from diego garcia. well you you will recall that the 2003 invasion of iraq. which were not quite the way in which the when it's ready meant to allow such operations to operate. and the yes we did not. resolution that would have supported us physician to go into iraq. had we had. the time and. we i don't know i can't i can't tell you what.

it certainly would have raised. in case there had been in case we had known that there had been activities that were not in accordance with international because the allegations are clearly that britain has defacto allowed the united states not only to bomb other countries from the jagers islands but to kidnap individuals and so-called rendition flights they don't torture people would have allowed people to be tortured on the jager simons as part of the terror their spies the fact that we not. have the ability to exercise its sovereignty over the site which island at that time we have sent letters of protest both to the u.s. and to the u.k. in respect of the dition activities that took place there well britain says that all these 116 countries including your country the voted on something that's basically meaningless and also the britain needs to keep the jager zones to keep

people in britain people in britain safe from terrorists. well i would i would leave it to the 116 countries and their remaining 6 as well as those who voted in favor u.k. on this matter that is against our resolution to make their own opinion about the about this statement that was made by french and i think that it is really showing that u.k. is still in the same mindset as it was the night in 65 when they. excise the island from ships you can and that you are where what mindset like when they call them tarzan's and man fridays in the rectory exactly this is this is that might say that my prime minister and his statement actually pointed this out that if we are back in one to 65 when it is islands removed from the

territorial issues that time they did that as if it will meet. with the u.n. whereas this time they are challenging the authority of the un they're challenging they were going to court to continue with their position that is completely completely untenable in front of international law and thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday 39 years to the day nelson mandela was militants bombed 3 petrol stations in the fight against british backed south african apartheid a deal that he would not have social media see on top that. facebook and google started with a great idea and great ideals unfortunately there was also a very dark side. they are constructing

a profile of you and that profile is real it's detailed and it never goes away. turns out that google is manipulating your opinions from the very 1st character that you type into the search bar it will always be worth one dog food over another one comparative shopping service over another and one candidate over another they can suppress certain types of results priced on what they think you should be see if they have this kind of power then democracy is an illusion the free and fair election doesn't exist the more rope we give them the sooner we're all. in orwell the state puts in these surveillance cameras in our present day or well 19 eighty-four dystopian nightmare we put in the cameras we install the cameras on

the nest cameras in our doors and our mental pieces and put the spine devices in our heads and in our homes with alexy and other of these mass surveillance technologies that's the difference between orwell and todays that it is the worst nightmares would never think that we would imprison ourselves. nobody could see coming that false confessions would be that in the spot the wish to fall will convert. any interrogation out there what you'll see is threat promise threat promise threat lie a lie a lie the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind to make the most comfortable makes them want to get out and don't take no for an answer don't accept their denials she said therefore would. say on the statement that i will be home by the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know that they can engage that

misconduct that has nothing to do with all their crimes. a possible u. turn in the crisis. in caracas and. talks with president maduro to be held on neutral territory in norway. also ahead on the program the leader of germany's ruling party is proposing tighter media regulation ahead of votes in the country blaming. her party's heavy losses in the e.u. elections so why rules should apply for digital content these are. need to discuss not just for to put for media policy as a whole in the future of democracy. for israel.