he and his legitimacy interests will be protected but our julian assange has interests being protected by the british justice system in the past few days we understand the wiki leaks founder has moved to the president firmer e of britain's belmarsh prison in southeast london and joining me now via skype from geneva is someone who has visited the sangean jail the united nations special rapporteur on torture and other cruel inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment professor niels meltzer thanks for coming back on now i know the findings have been published in the past 24 hours at least the preliminary findings i know the full report will be out in july. alcohol did you how did you make such a statement like in 20 years of work with victims of war violence or burgle persecution you've never seen. what you saw it sustained and not made lightly. warrant and violence for 20 years of hurt and worry areas and seen obviously atrocities collectors' forms violence would be much. bloody

innocence than what we are talking about here but what. shocked me that this particular case is that a single individual has been selected and singled out by several democratic states and persecuted systematically and in the state manner to the point of breaking it and of course there's a lot of focus here about the mainstream media and politicians presumably judges that this is really a sex crime case in sweden do you really think we should we should be aware more of the fact that the crown prosecution service under the shadow breck's it secretary starmer appeared to beg swedish authorities to prosecute as for sex crimes or the swedish authorities didn't want to. look into these allegations. already. to me shoulder from the beginning. actually cooperated with the swedish police and

tried to keep himself beautiful for questioning and to help results case and actually after a few days the case was closed by the prosecutor saying that there was no evidence that it crime has been convert all and he was explicitly allowed to leave the country then a few days later a different prosecutor takes up this case again. you know this is an arrest warrant and then from that and consistently refuse to enter due to innocence from sweden through sky or conference and or when afterwards when he was in the end to see to visit him there for many years he that was refused without any cards at the same time sweden hatters these types of question exe across borders in many other cases so there was no reason not to do that. so what we can see is really consistently that descriptions already have spread

a rape suspect narrative to suggest a violent crime that does not correspond to the allegations that were actually made by the complainants and and the prosecutor dees these pruner investigation in a way addicted to innocence to defend himself it is a effective way at lest you expose himself to a much greater risk of being. extradited to the united states and the related risk for serious rights eventually swedish prosecution is into london but by then of course he had sought asylum in the ecuadorian embassy do you see that this narrative the the women involved in those original allegations dropping the allegations at one point and then the case resuming do you see all of this as judicial harassment in contributing to what you say in the press release we or a port to cruel and degrading treatment oh absolutely. the whole episode of julian

assange being holed up in that as he was because of the swedish absolution request and not because he wanted to escape the tradition to sweden but because the swedish at the same time if you're used to beer and he they would not you know actually that and for a few nights the total very weak evidence actually nonexistent against the has served to keep the innocent arbitrarily confined in genesee for many years and held the trigger then that the criminal prosecution for burial by omission in new york for which he's now being detained in the wash. since the u.n. tend to belmarsh with 2 medical experts specializing in the examination of potential torture victim paths hamilton a swedish lawyer told reuters that it's not possible to conduct a normal conversation with truly innocent how did you find him while there is obviously a patient doctor confidentiality that i cannot reach but what i can say that. julie

sunshine physical consequences clearly from not being able to access dental and medical care for several years these physical consequences have been addressed adequately at least the most urgent aspects of it by the prison health care service the much more serious aspect is how he has been mentally and emotionally affected by the extremely hostile and increasingly arbitrary environment she has been exposed to for several years so here he really showed all the symptoms that are typical for a person that has been exposed to some political torture and i'm not saying this is an emotional way. worth but prisoners political prisoners prisoners of war for 20 years and but what we do in these cases you counter the doctors and psychiatrists of the center for cultural call which is designed to examine

potential big terms of torsional treatment and severe light these standards and it was the evidence was well really clear that julian assange had been exposed to several. forms of cruel and human are and degrading treatment which should militarily can only be described. back to the judicial elements of this and i think so i'm sure your department probably is aware the british foreign secret service has been implicated in torture many times before what do you make of the original arrest warrant judge i am a buffer not upheld it and she came under scrutiny because her. husband's co directors of a security company included the former head of m i 6 a case of justice not being seen to be done also presumably contributing to that psychological torture to his hands is currently suffering from certainly all these aspects all these multiple and complex proceedings in the areas jurisdictions

clearly contribute to intense stress and anxiety incapacity of preparing a reasonable defense because he doesn't have enough access to documents and to 2 lawyers who are years i have heard about these allegations of conflict of interests and i cannot assert. accuracy of these allegations obviously but i well my understanding is that the defense counsel julian assange made a convention at the court hearing and raising these complaints to the judge upset and judge seems to have just kind of brushed his allegations off the table and not unless he learned but then that reaction is my understand he accused julian assange of being a narcissist which comes across as you know likely said very unprofessional to me if not if not more clearly biased and sorry you just mentioned the legal documents

presumably he is getting these legal documents we just heard the secretary said to javid when saying when songe was captured by british authorities from the ecuadorian embassy that he is now protected by british justice he is getting legal documents right did he tell you that you should probably talk to his lawyer through that precise information or standing yes that he does not have sufficient access to use case files that he is not able to exchange documents. that those lawyers are certainly not in it in the in the way it is required in view of the complexity and the multiple of layers of these proceedings and are now. so that's certainly the me a factor that adds to his trust and where he simply cannot cope with the all the demands of these proceedings now human rights law requires the defendant to get enough time to prepare as the fence. commensurate with the complexity of these

proceedings and that is not the case today though that during the search ok will you directly accuse the u.k. government of creating an atmosphere of impunity encouraging uninhibited vilification and abuse or what happens if it continues to do that and what can actually the un do to mitigate the alleged persecution persecution you allege that the british authorities not only british authorities but other governments as well are involved in this case to thank the authorities of of the british authorities would be to allow only the allowed me to access mr sanford truckie conduct assessment but what i found is really profoundly shocking because we can see that we here have you know the state democratic traditions the rule of law traditions that are really isolating just one individual and preventing him from exercising his most basic process will rights presumption of innocence and prettier than

adequate defense could it of course some people might argue it all be just a case of incompetence a big mistake or is there intentionality in there this psychological torture in the forms of cruel inhuman and degrading treatment and punishment you outline. it is almost inconceivable that we have so many layers of so profoundly these you biased steps in the judicial proceedings that could just be you know a coincidence to me it all speech to a scenario where you have the united states. one ship to make an example out of julian assange for her that she has made. for united states and that you know the swedish proceedings are not be conducted in good faith but really abused judicial proceedings who are facilitate.

also the way to the wall and it's all just proceedings. very much so that's were up which up professor neal smelts i thank you. after the break the ecuadorian president who 1st gave asylum to geneva sondra failed correia calls what is happening to the wiki leaks founder a crime against humanity going up about to going underground. after the previous stage of my career was over everyone wondered what i was going to do next the ball different clubs on one hand it is logical to go from fields where everything is familiar on the other i wanted a new challenge and a fresh perspective i'm used to suppressing. one on t.v. . i'm going to talk about

football not 3 or else you can think i was going to do. by the way what is a punchline here. in . capitalism it just goes there way for a company they compete to make products some fail some of them succeed there's a central bank there in case there. thanks go under as the lender of last resort and that's the way it was designed. but now we're in a situation where the central banks become the buyer of 1st one. standardized testing. it's

a very well done and you know to say we should have standardized testing to be like saying well we shouldn't have our blood pressure checked or even are we going to see the doctor those are standard days instruments you need to be able to know how children are doing right from when they start school. welcome back in the 1st half of the program we heard from the u.n. special report on torture professor detailed his allegations of the british torture of julian assange joining me now from brussels is former ecuadorian president rafael correa who 1st granted asylum to us fearing that he would be subjected to the kind of treatment outlined in part one of this program former president thanks so much for being on the program have you spoken 1st of all to your successor lenin merino about julian songes life now being at risk. and i will not talk to

my successor because it's very or butter he won with now where political program people vote in order to continue to see this in revolution political protests and this political ploy are brought into that their protection for dinner not so much but let the merino was a kind of protege you appointed him vice president yes man he was a 3rd term you know he mislead that everybody tell us what you felt when you heard on april the 11th that lenin marino your former vice president now president had invited u.k. police into ecuador's london embassy i was horrified i am neal julian julian assange what's going on then a long time ago because more n o tried to negotiate with him one week after taking office you know he received a nice little old man a for reform air campaign chief of term now in jail in the

united states because of corruption and he offered to manage for unto the american government to be a leader. julian assange but the american government can support him financially so we knew that julian our science was condemned that we never imagined there will be so brutal for instance allowing british police to entering our embassy that this against the vienna convention and that is against international law all the in the american human rights convention julian assange has human rights. over all especially those against. him to do so as i say look we force the most important part of the asylum is to protect. strong people to suing him not to believe or the refugee and that is that. what

they've always been of more they're not as modern as horton has done and that is again he's also. our constitution article for people want especially these articles since that is their content and not the lever and if we see. a person that has been granted i would assume you just said something about donald trump's former campaign manager paul mann afford the british guardian newspaper who used which used to be a partner to wiki leaks said the man afford to met with julian a son in london or in the job was a like no other the work was not true i don't know but because i have never met the jeweler has actually i don't know you have managed where you don't have sounds like we can lease said that was i like lenin marina says he has had assurances that julian a songe will not be executed for coming and he's

a liar. or let's assume that that is true by what about the other human rights for instance to have our fair trial it's not possible under this condition to have a fair trial in the united states if you learn of our she said today that to the united states he he's all these are really content he will not have. for terror targets that in marino and the ecuadorian government released pictures of julian a songe they said that he behaved in an impolite way the media here in britain laughed at him though as were the grounds that marino says that under which ecuador continues to for fairly international legal obligations even by delivering him to british authorities don't you believe can you imagine to release it because

he's impolite. current. mournin almost look for where there used to fit geisha in order to explain to the world until he story whether he has done that history what really terrible but of course you cut off julian a songes into that access when you were president yes because he was interfering in you know state elections and that being hillary clinton for the reason we weren't here you have to stop he continued ok we'll stop the internet service but after that after a while after the election really internet is worse install yet who told you that he was interfering with the 2016 us presidential election well that was clearly the attacks against hillary clinton and a justification was not that these 2 ok perhaps he's too much wrong also has several truth he he didn't say anything

about a donald trump sat so that was very unfair of course donald trump but then went on to win the election what does lenin merino have to gain for ecuador for himself by as you say violating the 1951 refugee convention when he submitted to the american government absolutely not just because of the case of julius arch because of that even with the i.m.f. because of the new military support of the united states and by a lot everything a gains our constitution everything against our political program that it was a winner in the last election but he has had elections so he's returned his betraying a quota of people he's returning in. his political approach and he's been saying everything he's absolutely submitted to the american interest american government

interests that in marie. no says it is your economic mismanagement that means why he that is the reason behind the new austerity program in the ecuador and it's not the capture of julian assange connected to the i.m.f. agreement that's just taken place he has to see something come out even the a.m.'s in 2000 cementing said it won't economy was very tough that he had that he has to say something or it took to try to just the fact that we try to unite our sosh but also let me tell you to ignore them people we are experts in i.m.f. adjustment programs i just meant all weeks they have being a failure absolutely failed so to continue with all these kind of things is not because they are looking for the welfare of the contour well for their people not

they are looking for some interest for farming interest so you really think there could have been a deal for julian a songe over the i.m.f. agreement yes yes i think he's related of course you know to very well the. united states have little capacity inside the i.m.f. so in order to receive their financial support from the i.m.f. well doing it by the government once. it was half the approval of the a major government and of course julian assange is not just that but you in a sense case is related to financial support from the i.m.f. and the cia base that mathabane of of course of course everything everything there is dong they don't have a base now because it is not necessary with the technological advances they need just. an expensive aircraft in a while right now is a special

a craft they have a we have now a quote a lot of military personnel from the united states is enough we that all the white and the base will be there already but they will meet any more a military base in just the same crash we that military person what about the eye and they papers you may have to explain you think they're linked also to the julian assange capture so. we have discovered that more and more is a corrupted that we are not imagining that we have even a secret account that he has the american support of the media support economic is supporting or so everybody what they. are these are not powers are protecting this but the case is sort sixthly clear is huge perhaps the biggest corruption case involving our president i think president so we have even the

secret account with money laundering and is this a good account financing really looks really good looks real life or a bit more than a slimy on give sense of court and this is the count i can tell you that count struck. by the bar banged by nama ok lead in marino denies the allegations tell me what happened when you tried to draw attention to this on your facebook account including that number which we will be bout this same day when julian assange is was kicked out he get out of our embassy my fan base facebook fan page was blocked by state without any warning without any explanation without any information during 2 months i have tried to to get back my foundation and finally is

a member sent telling me that is he this is him its this season is a final decision they will not open again my front page i don't want the same day when. in there you learn a science case happened in that well remembers in law and will try and get comment from facebook do it lisa act the u.s. do it and it's going to be. well do you expect that in marino now to support the united states and the european union in their support for one guy though in the attempts currently going on to overthrow the venezuelan government. what's he's doing they had told me a month. he's been saying everything you know i got into our political program through here is can i just way though. i love playing old

soul he's against venezuela against my little or so for things of course a very close ally of the european union and the united states of course led in marino has signed up to china's belton road what role do you think china will have because wiki leaks and julian assange exposed washington interference in the americas but i can tell you that is that there is a geopolitical war between the united states and china and latin america and region is in the middle of the battlefield they are fighting for latin america's place in the united states they cannot read it aloud in france chinese influence in their region so they are pursuing any is that they are made their governments that are going to have close relationships with it china and finally do you believe julian the sands will be extradited to the united states. i am almost sure i hope to be

wrong i hope to be mistaken but. for president rafael correa thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday for when donald trump comes to britain to meet the queen and maybe nigel farage until then keep in touch by social media we'll leave you with german born british socialist walter wolfgang defending jeremy corbyn and former london mayor ken livingstone against charges of anti-semitism it was he who famously protested tony blair's iraq war at labor's 2005 conference in brighton and he passed away this week at the age of 95. about who have to go through there were no you. get a hold of the new we're living. in this horrible moment here. i'm deeply hurt. if they're paid. if you just for this purpose. of the heart of all of how

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