donald trump what was he here for apart from telling britain its health service would be on the table in any trade negotiations because he also took time to meet with lockheed martin and be a systems in london 2 of the companies involved in the u.k. backed war causing the world's worst humanitarian crisis in yemen this is well trump dined with the queen his administration threatened syria cuba venezuela and iran joining me now is lieutenant colonel anthony schaffner a former senior u.s. intelligence officer now an advisor on the trump 2020 campaign tony welcome to going on the grounds of trump brand as an antiwar president when i think he was doing in london on the state visit meeting with be a systems of looking at martin. look we all busy know you cannot ignore the military industrial complex i'm one of those who have been critical of lockheed martin particular because of their overruns and what i believe is probably the most expensive project ever the f. 35 of which the british bought into as well be a b.a.

was a big editor they lost the contract to boeing for the follow on. in enter refueler. the tanker program so they've been dealing with that one of my associates former associates and colleagues general tony zinni was on the board of. x. so you know the bottom line is i think everybody recognizes that no matter who's in charge you have large military programs and people who are from the military and going back and forth in industry so i think you have to deal with that realistically and i think present trump is doing what he must to meet with you cannot ignore their existence obviously we have i'd look even n.b.a. systems on quite a few detractors for that f. 35 program and you kind of understating it when you talk about the military industrial complex because the pairs in a pub job book i'll get on to that in just a 2nd but come on do you don't think the deep state is basically gone. go to him

and trump ones who tweeted obama would start a war to get become president a war with iran isn't that what you will your president is doing now i the guy i did a tour on our usa today on this i'm not going to dispute you on the deep state i think there's a constant hole to push countries are our 2 countries by the white think we're very closely affiliated in a military conflict and i think it's very dangerous the current chairman of the joint chiefs by the way an obama appointee general joseph dunford is i think been very effective in mitigating in creating an understanding of what is realistic remember it was general dunford by with and through strategy working with our regional allies not putting a large land army back into into iraq which actually was able to defeat isis we have to and you know present troubles and want to solve a serious so i think that iran there are truly issues of mutual interest between our 2 countries because the iranians the mullahs the ocracy

rich runs it does hate the west and they hate by the way the sunni the sunni arabs so it's not just us they hate they hate the the arab allies we work with so i think there are real tensions between the sunni and shia that i don't think we should get middle of but we have to be aware by the fact that our economy still depend very heavily on foreign oil and that's something i would like to see changed and eventually the deny there are promotion of sectarianism but i got to tell you mike flynn was on this show. he was done perhaps you would say by the state talking about mutual interest the kind of language you're talking about look to him michael flynn is and look at the fact that what we have in the pentagon the state department is support for well some would say al qaida linked groups in syria today yeah it looks very dangerous i think mike was very steely eyed innocent. well

disclosure you know i'm mike's friend of mine he was on our in our lot and want to center for policy research our think tank and i think mike had a good understanding of what needs to be done and he admitted i think in another interview that there was definite obama linked funding to the precursors of isis another organizations a serious a very dangerous mix and you know i'm one of those who believes we should not be arming terrorists at all and it's something that has to be looked at a deeper level you know at this point any time i advise people obviously my advice is steer away from any support to any radical islamic organization we saw this neck and a stand we al create through the mujahideen you know the hakani network and then here we are years later being attacked by the same network we helped create so it's just not a wise move ironically mainstream american media supports trump against you on these particular issues but when it comes to trump himself i don't know whether he wants

the u.s. programming on the state visit of him meeting the queen on this still talking about him being a russian agent. well i look i think i've been very clear on this he's not a russian agent i'm going to say this as clear as i can being sensitive to the audience your audience is that i think there was meddling i think there are things that the russian government did but they did not do a lot of the things they've been accused of doing and you know for example i tend to believe that that there is an interest in having essentially connections to whoever won let's be real here. michael and others are reaching out to the russian government they're reaching out to all governments that's what is done during a transition and during the campaign we all know the clinton campaign had tons of foreign contacts i mean both sides do it the question becomes was there anything nefarious about it and i don't believe based on ever any evidence i've seen there

was any that's worth saying and look i'll defend the russians here all of the so-called russian contacts or within the trump campaign are all set ups lures what the f.b.i. calls lowers that they were paying for to pretend to be linked to the russians so that to me is what the focus is right now of the so-called investigating the investigation effort by our attorney general barr so it's going to be very interesting how they see how this all rolls out but yeah it's going to i think the russians were blamed for things they didn't do and i think there's some things they did do that haven't been quite looked at yet but i guess i think we'll all sorts through quite quite movie reportage over see the russian government probably and they definitely deny that and we don't just the russian the most of the audience is probably known to russian but do you think then that all the protest is here against the trump visit maybe they would have liked to have clinton won do you think when they would actually i mean more war as. was if clinton won that $26.00

the election the the honest answer yes or no i do believe that and hillary clinton been elected we would have been she's much more of a what i call we call me a. cons you may have them over there and the neo cons sense they are conservatives and wolf clothing they haven't seen a war they didn't like they basically are disgruntled democrats with the democrat party back in the sixty's and came over to the republican party because you know they want to dominate the world and i guess they saw the republicans as a better bet and you know a bunch of us former reagan folks you know were regen recognize the idea of trying to not get in tangles and more is recognizing that we have to act on the world stage but do it in such a way that we we don't act overly aggressive and i think this is where. people like clinton like libya libya was heard of awful she convinced obama to go in there and we've had the mess ever sense i think we would have seen more libyan outcomes clinton been elected. one of

a great m i 6 form or my 6 agents christmas deal was ignored by the former f.b.i. director robert mueller in his report. do you see any signs of him being reserve rect did i understand he might be giving evidence now resurrected by democrats supporting anti trump people let me say this about that issue i think there's been a great deal of discussion here recently about m i 5 and my 6 potentially cooperating with the so-called russia collusion thing and i tend to believe based on the folks i've talked to that the british were tricked into helping brennan and komi they had no idea that there wasn't really a russian threat and it took on face value what was said to them so any cooperation i think these be looked at that lens with that said christopher steele had problems i understand m i 6 depass it information to the f.b.i. and it was ignored and obviously. my experience is f.b.i. tends to ignore information they don't they don't like and i think in this case they didn't take the steel was saying and yes i think it should be and look you're

a reporter you look at facts how could the man in charge of the whole russia collusion investigation now look at the primary artifact that is the cornerstone of the whole effort this deal how do they not look at that and that tells me that he didn't look at it because there's things there you did not want to look at as a factual examination would have centrally undermine his credibility from day one and he just didn't want to do that well jim comey was in in the trump is the abolition of does it will when he won the presidential election do you believe that information continues to be withheld from the present the united states by senior officials yeah i think unfortunates true one of the things about our government is a labyrinth of secrets and having worked in this area my concern has always been 1st off abuse of very powerful intelligence and military. terry capabilities those things exist they exist for

a reason they expect exist as as part of the defensive and the structure of our nation if you put politicians in charge you have the potential of this information these capabilities being misused i think we saw that we were witness that over this past 2 years and unfortunately you have career bureaucrats who essentially function as her own oversight and it's a very dangerous thing so it's why i've recommended to the trumpet ministration that they continue to essentially weed out anybody it was a political appointee but frankly of either the bush $43.00 or the obama. 44 white house because while he get continues to be ugly samantha being pro russian he trump has ripped up the 97 intermediate range nuclear site was is correct you think that's going to help you in your campaign to reelect him in 2020 the fact that according to the bullet in the atomic scientists he's move the world

close it's a complete destruction yeah look i was very young counterintelligence special agent when the i.n.f. treaty was signed i was actually in a place called marshall texas working with the f.b.i. in joint operations monitoring the soviet officers monitoring our destruction of the pershing 2 missiles so this is no small thing to me i participated in those treaty the execution of that treaty but now that treaty was being essentially violated by a number of folks it did not actually include the chinese who develop a class a weapon like this so i'm one of those who do believe that it was time to abandon that treaty and he did it for the right reasons he did it with the right note the cations and so i did i do not see this as a problem provocation but i do see it as him standing up against the russians and it very pointed way saying we're going to do what we believe the united states believes is best for our interests so i think it was the right thing to do and you know i think politically it will help them in 2020. just find the wiki leaks of

course expose clinton conspiracy against bernie sanders we should help the trump campaign this time around this time around obviously julian assange has actually in jail in london you really think campaign 2020 can win with the media now so against you your campaign and the president outlook is it's going to be a tough campaign there's no doubt and i think that's something that's going to be sorted through the i think the american people and 2 things they now realize 1st president has done his best to actually keep campaign promises which is unheard of politicians fundamentally is not a politician i think is really trying to live up to what he promised secondly i think people have been away to like to believe the american citizens have been awakened both left and right i talk to my liberal friends were frightened by the misuse of very powerful government capabilities and i think that's a 2nd thing it's very useful lieutenant colonel turner thank you after the break

the u.k.'s largest trade union unite was out with jeremy corbin protesting trump but our corbin's days numb but all this well coming up about to have going on the ground. as the time come for google and other big tech companies there's a growing consensus the near monopoly status of many of these companies is bad for competition bad for the consumer and even for freedom of speech no doubt silicon valley is lowering of. legitimacy is a question that is crucial in libya and the one who needs to decide that is the libyan people that is why we should carefully slowly gradually legally go into elections today you have basically 2 parties so everybody laban's the other the way he wants. because there is in fairly deep crisis of

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welcome back because i'm going u.k. prime minister's resume rolled out the red carpet for the whole trump state visit u.k. labor leader jeremy colbert was leading tens of thousands in a protest against him so i say to of visitors that have arrived this week thank you only please about a will's that is one of peace and to some money he's one of recognizing the values of all people. that defeats racism defeats misogyny defeats the religious hatreds that are being fueled by the far right in politics in britain and europe and the united states have no on such as the largest trade union in the u.k. you know it's showing those protests you know it's this is just general sector how beckett's it is with me now thanks for coming on just avoid even get to trump

understand unites here are in the involved in the legend case regarding blacklisting in the construction industry blacklisting still have this extraordinary but blacklisting still goes on fortunately these members were fortunate enough to find a nest where their names were on us and they were able to take litigation for it but it's a disgrace it's a blight on the industry it's not restricted to construction who is armed and many industries and it's something that we are the need to tackle but it will only ever be tako by the government legislating prop. party for trade union rights in the workplace and end of bogus self employment and uses of agency labor that's ultimately what will give workers rights in the workplace well worth his rights not that easily identifiable with the kind incumbent in the white house why are you protesting the state that will trump this week well i suppose the question would be why wouldn't you protest at the visit of donald trump who thinks that it's fine to abuse women to grab them by their genitals a man who thinks that it's time to bow his limbs from the united states of america

or money thinks it's fine to cage children on the border of mexico why wouldn't you complain against donald trump but dirty ality of course is that it goes much further it's much more serious than simply himself this is a man whose he's taken america away from the climate treaty is exposing the entire entire world to possible extinction amount he promotes fascism and i fashion it's modern day populism obviously denies the fascism certainly as regards results and he would say it was. except it's discriminator in that obviously donald's out of cheese go much further with women are concerned he repeatedly tells them that they should not be in charge of their own bodies and that is massaging me. on the day of the political meeting after the dinner with the queen he was with the rajah color of b.a. systems of marilyn he used to live in do you think. there's a lot of war to look in london this week either unite favorites

a legal defense diversification where transmuted is for meeting with the c.e.o.'s of large defense companies could be a number of things that could be to allay any concerns that they have over breakfast but of course it could be a place orders you don't really know what's going through the mind of donald trump at the moment other than the fact that he has his own self interested motives for being across in this country and those may well be ones of protectionism that may well be ones of war but we're yet to find out the course president obama deployed. more people within the united states out of the us than donald trump and president obama libya syria so many different wars that he was involved in the world with hillary clinton he also interfered with vote. depends on what he thought when he came out and said that we'd be back in the queue in the trade negotiations do you think trump is particularly worse than obama yes because you know i didn't protest

against obama's visit no we wouldn't have protested against obama's visit to nobody can deny the fact that america is a nation that has made mistakes and continued to make mistakes under a democratic president but that's entirely different than this president who is propagating policies that they're intended to promote isolation protectionism wars . and indeed climate than iow it's extraordinary set of circumstances that we find ourselves in at the moment and it would be incumbent upon every democratic organization but particularly trade unions who represent workers and whose rights are so important to demonstrate against this president well what do you make of the attacks on jeremy cool when the leader of western europe's largest socialist movement and unites to support germany cool been a lot being made of the fact that not only is he not fit to be prime minister because he is an anti semite and and some of his attack is also accusing him of not being a remain were enough of

a remain as regards jeremy he's in-doors talk for the entire nation and he tries to appeal to those who have voted to leave until understand why did food leave while at the same time saying to there remain there's the what we can negotiate is something that will not be to your detriment i don't outweigh jeremy is trying to appeal to the entire nation and to avoid divisions and again he should be applauded as a leader for them that he's chosen people for his shadow cabinet appeared to be actively attacking him. the shutter chancellor the foreign set of forms extremely thomery they all seem to be saying immediately should declare some sort of 2nd referendum and he's not taking the right line breaks a tool well unfortunately people are responding to pressures at the european election results is what it is it produces a divided nation similar to the referendum produced a divided nation and people really need to stop and reflect but unfortunately people have their own pressures their own constituency pressures they have their

own experience and everybody is looking for a solution in respect of this and a solution is one that is obviously difficult to find if it had been there people would have fired up by in on the leader jeremy coburn's obviously for may because it seems to see this bigger picture you're talking about should people be serving in the shadow cabinet you can't see beyond their own narrow concerns of a constituency where they do need to reflect on they do you need to get their constituencies and they do you need to think about the reasons as to why people in other constituencies voted to leave this was always a vote bracks it was always a referendum nobody ever wanted because of the possibility of a causing divisions but what it really showed is that those left behind communities of the midlands and the north are exactly got left behind and in order for people to bring them back and for them to believe again in the labor macit you need to engage with them and listen to why they have food for bracks that so yes i would say to those members of the shadow cabinet they should be reflected not just the

power the message from their own constituency but the masses from those communities that have been left behind the jewish voice for labor at organization welcomed by only dylan mccluskey has been arguing that the n.t. semitism allegations are being weaponized do you see the semitism as being a way for those within the labor buddy to attack jeremy cool been that the major factor or do you see labor is more anti semitic than in the. the other qualities well i don't see labor as more on the semantic than any other party i think parties have their own problems that are reflective of society and if you accept that discrimination semitism islamophobia if you accept that that exists in society then you have to accept that it will corrupt political parties and it's incumbent then on those political parties to deal with it the person who i always think should oncet questions in respect of anti semitism is ian mcnichol why did he not deal

with these problems will be very fair for murder the general secretary of the labor party who had full opportunity to deal with on the seventy's and is ian mcnichol why did he not deal with these problems well if the former general secretary of the labor party who could pull up at unity to deal with the seventy's and the start before it. became the problem that is now become failed now for whatever reasons others direct the questions towards jeremy when in fact it is not jeremy who is responsible for dealing with the complaints within the labor office directed towards supporters of jeremy really it is in mcnichol who should be asked to the questions as to why these problems were not dealt with in the 1st place but i've no doubt that jenny for b.s. and top of this i've no doubt that these complaints are being dealt with have no dart they're being dealt with expeditiously and i have no doubt that we'll reach the other side and we'll be able to talk about the issues that are important to people. in the communities and those are issues of the austerity and inequality has

. come on the show but is it your understanding the deputy leader tom watson together with people like paul mason obviously advisor joe mcdonald who advised the sacking of senior advisers to jeremy cool but is there a coup actively going on even ahead of whatever by elections and whatever votes are ahead of us now what i've been very public and i was. at the criticism and the attacks and jeremy corbin's advisors are disgraceful. warranted these are advisors who are definitely socialist column rates and have stood by jeremy in the most difficult of times they're also advisors who are in large part responsible for the 2017 manifesto a manifesto to change this country and once we are through breck that we will be able to get back on to the substance of that manifest to move forward from and these are advisors who you deserve congratulations and i don't believe that the advisors of jeremy are making

a mistake if they are advising him that he should listen to the wider community center specht of the issue a practice that i think that is tremendously sensible the attack by paul mason not only was disgraceful because individuals do not have a right of reply but it was also misconceived the idea that you leave behind communities because they simply do not agree with your position over europe is one that is misconceived i'm will drive labor to the margins of politics and not not to the center of politics it is wrong it is out it's wrong the poll is article was in my screen well just finally obviously it was wiki leaks revealed a lot behind teach ip and t.t.p. in these big trade agreements that the will act. which will act so much on you all members the unite member the unions when it goes these big trade deals judy this is according to the un being tortured in london at the moment do you think people

should be supporting judaism's as diane abbott appeared to suggest when. it may. appear victorious that he's been captured by british authorities well unfortunately with julian the message comes confused because of the allegations that are in sweden and people let me look to you whether or not you're supporting them rather than supporting the principle the principle upon which people should be argued here is the freedom of journalism for image. no the stick field judeans the only crime could possibly have been said to have how bad judgment the freedom of the press is at risk here the charges in america that are created and recreated are designed to block the freedom of the prep press to stop the voice be heard. would be bad for democracy people do you need to distinguish between judy and the person on the principle that is on trial sure he would say he would reject. much because of course he says it is innocent but what happens to unite work is in industries

allied to journalism could they to now go to jail for being involved in the publication of secrets well firstly i'm going to the united states for a 2nd the say that julian is anything other than innocent i wouldn't know because i'm not close enough to it but i do say that the principle for which julian is being attacked by the american government is one that is of the utmost importance and any individual regardless of who they are falls well behind not principle because the freedom of journalism is one of the far and ations of the democratic members be mobilizing and those kind of defacto and the threat if indeed he was to be extradited for the under the espionage act of the united states well you know i would always support the freedom of journalism and the right for journalists to have for free voice without restriction of the state thank you and that's it for the show will be back on saturday as g 20 finance ministers 5 to japan to debate the global trade war. threatening the livelihoods of people all around the world

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