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as don't know g. trump and we take a look at the effectiveness or otherwise of the protests which have been ranged against him but in this television interconnected age what form of protest actually works best is it to put hundreds of thousands onto the streets like the people's food. or is it most effective to lace the message with humor like the lead by don't his campaign projecting on to big ben disparaging remarks by british johnson about trump before he became president alex talks to one of the organizers of this week's anti trial protests was against the government for colluding with trump and the things that he does and it was the sense alliterative to the american people who are resisting his policies domestically and we took a look back at great protests of the past with the man behind the legendary rock against racism protest of the late 1970 s. which for the 1st time mobilized the music industry behind a great national cause and struck a chord which has been copied many times since. fantastic and the cultural activity
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things like life varied and womad and peter gabriel's things all came after wrong but 1st your tweets mess just and emails a response to a show of last week bob says labor in tory support in scotland has never recovered but it's being assumed the reappeared reestablish the status quo i don't think so trust in both of the major says been waiting so i expect that the seismic shift to remain passive next general election david says a good balance lineup of guests ray says scotland has a referendum on quitting england i'm going alone but the scottish voter to see now i think we here in england should have our referendum to see if the english what you wear us and i think the answer would be no go please just go back over the border where you belong rennie says westminster as a puppet parliament fiasco proves it and finally body says i think england should have a referendum for independence and let scotland wales i'm northern ireland sort themselves . now before the president even i arrived he was courting controversy bars johnson
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either for or waiting for the invitation to tea and making marco was accused of making nasty comments for preval family suggestion they have massaged he may not make the present one of the great healer is all politics however don't talk does have the ability to bring people together the warring factions in the labor party lead the differences the fight to join in the on teacher protest well the problem to leaders of labor and the i think people linked arms to boycott to state dinner but what is the aim of the mass protest and who was in the audience at home or abroad alex as protest organizers should be a lock up the key christians and i'm delighted to be joined by shelby alaska one of the organizers of the stop the war coalition who've been behind the anti trump demonstrations this week shabbier welcome to the salmon show thanks for having me i'm interested in the same of this week's demonstration of who your target audience for who is trying to pass was that people in the u.k.
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or was it american citizens or what was the target behind your anti trump demonstration yeah well our aim was to show visible opposition to donald trump and to say that he's not welcome here that things that he stands for are what we stand against and for that reason our target audience was the people of britain who came out to protest against him was against our government for colluding with trump and the things that he does and it was the sense alliterative to the american people who are resisting his policies domestically but spend but you know 15 years or so i mean donald trump famously says he was a. war campaigner so 15 years ago he may have been demonstrating a few against himself although he has said that in his eyes the solution was to just go to iraq and take the oil without any pretenses and you know i mean what we've seen even from his rallies before he became president was that he preaches this kind of anti war. rhetoric because that's what his base want to hear but in
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reality we see him supporting saudi arabia's war in yemen pushing for war with iran increasing tensions with north korea and various other flashpoints across the globe and in effect he's made the world a much less safe place but on north korea let's see he broke off what he describes the british steel over secure demilitarization of the korean peninsula. the american president one of the world's greatest peacefully well i don't think you would be down to him primarily to be honest i think you would be the willingness of the korean people to reach peace despite america's historic role in stopping that but you know you have to contrast that with him pulling out of the iran nuclear agreement and sending warships and potentially 1500 or more troops to iran to see that this isn't about peace this is about more geopolitics is about american imperialism well it's not a verb lose a cup of tea that's for sure but really did get elected donald trump who won
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a democratic election so it's not a case that you should respect the office even if you disagree with him on well i think we have to look at what he's done once he's come into office one of the 1st things he did was implemented muslim band this is a man who's been caught on tape bragging about sexual assault he's locked refugee children in cages and at least 6 of whom have died and thousands are said to not be able to be reunited with their families this is not the kind of person who elected or not we should be legitimizing on normalizing looking up to in any way let alone maintaining close relations the way this tory government is doing and supporting in his wars abroad then in his foreign policy rhetoric we have to be opposed to that and primarily because we have this special relationship with the united states we are in a position to impact that relationship and what he's doing. you're a vet of. a young age but still a veteran of
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a range of protests but you don't want your big scoop the ever sort of like oh my goodness you know we're here we're marching this is great solidarity but where will these folks get the work you know that we talk and offer cause because of the inconvenience well i think the aim of the demonstration is to stop business as usual and that unfortunately does mean that people can't get to work and are delayed etc but that is part of sending the message in is to show primarily to our government and those who will this country that we won't sit by and let things carry on as normal while they behave this way in a way that we clearly oppose but it does send a message to the public as well that there is a movement willing to take to the streets willing to disrupt the status quo to get our message had and they should join us what do you think of the balances between a reasonably conventional demonstration albeit one which says it's not business as
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usual but nonetheless a pretty conventional demonstrations like it was in this week and and the elements of humor like the the trump blimp or the trump robot to does some rude things when you think the balance between conventional demonstration and a touch of humor lives well i think the more ways we can show our opposition the better and i think it's a testament to the british people that humor can be involved in acts of resistance such as the trump baby balloon and other things but we can't discount the role of the demonstration itself the very act of a mass mobilization on the streets with thousands of people many of whom have never demonstrated before we during the course of their demonstration here in new arguments meet like minded people have a raising of their consciousness a very active presence of solidarity i think it's very important and can you point to rethink a generation back again the iraq war. and famously the war went. can you point to
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recent examples of of the demonstrations was slightly changed the course of events or changed the course of history well i think looking at the iraq war demonstration itself although the war went ahead that demonstration had a fundamental impact on british politics we know that tony blair and politicians were looking to invade other middle eastern countries after the iraq war which they were then put off from following the mass show opposition we saw ed miliband in 2013 refused to go along with bombing syria for that very reason and to look at other demonstrations which have had impacts you can look at the youth climate strike as an extinction rebellion and the impact they have had of putting climate change on the agenda of making parliament declare a prime imagine c. and all these things and you can look at other european countries in france for example you look at the. it's happening everywhere and you can see the impact of that with the. demonstrations in terms of the social complexity but most people
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watching the program probably would have been on many demonstrations so predominantly a young audiences of all sections of the community i did see some pretty old age pensions. belial so while children and the complection of the demonstrations that you organize well i think it's very their vest and particularly the anti trump demonstrations we've seen people of all ages a lot of young people but also a lot of veteran campaign is from for example the anti nuclear weapons movement etc it's a reflection i think on the organizations that help to call the demonstrations where we see the biggest trade unions in the country resulting in a big show of the labor movement in the streets also most of the social campaigning organizations and mass movements they reach across communities who are being affected by various policies and i think that's really represented on the demonstrations. the extinction labelling. school strikes the outgoing prime
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minister was very upset about how much of some of the book as well it meant is that something you do in college and we did demonstrations yeah absolutely i've been down to the school strikes against climate and what i've seen is young people who are incredibly clued on what's going on they understand the danger facing society and particularly their futures and they're fighting back against the patronising narrative that is present in the media and among politicians that these young people don't have a clue about what's going on that they should stay in school and leave it to the adults well the adults haven't done anything about this and that's why they've taken a stand and they're very conscious of the fact that they're taking a day of school this is an act of resistance on the streets and i think it should be encouraged and replicated as much as possible with your experience of demonstration have your favorite moment from from one of the big demos that you've been on as of sunday because of the blood that was there this is worth well i think probably last year's demonstration against. you know with 250000 people was
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probably a highlight i think in seeing so many people who clearly have never been an administration before who are out there you know making their voices heard in a very clear and energetic way i take the role of chanting and demonstrations and i think that's a great thing to do so yeah i think that's kind of one of my favorite moments. a leap of imagination was just for a 2nd the margin that. the president noted states about coming upon the station or somebody was demonstrating against me but with a key message you'd want to get across to the president. you should step down. if i could secure a presidential resignation what i could certainly do is preserve the well itself and quickly the scots gallop for the loving cup you put a flute preferably one. soft drink. in the quicken pass that was your
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close friends. with. one of the breakthroughs in the history of protest was in the late 1970 s. when i do the slogan love music racism some of the great rock bands of the either mobilize to fight the rise of racism in that day join us after the break when alex interviews the artist behind that initiative read and. nobody could see coming that paul's confessions would be profiled in this population a problem for. any interrogations out there you'll see is. probably why the process of interrogation is designed to put people in just that frame of mind make the most comfortable make them want to get out and don't take no for an
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answer don't accept their denials she said if i were. sad to stay there i would be home by that time the next day there's a culture on accountability and police officers know. that misconduct that has nothing to do with all the crime. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race. spearing dramatic development the only. disease i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk.
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little away whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa will. one of you are going to get to the point that the do you feel. welcome back 40 years after its fuss launch rock against racism as a choir for lost status and become that the template for many a little movements mobilized in the music industry to promote great causes that i'm joined by the man behind that a list of red saunders to talk about protest of them and though so rock against racism as we back to 976 what was their genesis behind rock against racism is really simple thing which i don't see it was an outburst by the guitar god eric clapton made a complete racist outburst supporting
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a not powered concert in birmingham it was reported in the music press i was an old eric clapton fan i had all these records and everything and i was outraged because that music is based on black music so i wrote a letter i wrote a letter proposing that we start a campaign against racism in music to bring black and white musicians together called rock against racism and that was a new musical expression which was that of stable of of music and the only maker and sounds and black echoes and the left press so out it that was it you cover this mass movement started with a letter a letter and i thought i really thought not much about it i mean i was angry so i wrote the letter and it was done i don't write letters very often you know and i didn't really think about it much and somebody called me up a result friend of mine who's a journalist and he called up and said although he'd organized a p o box to replies to be addressed and he said does this for $400.00. letters here i went what are you
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talking about that was it there for the better for the viewers that this is long before the internet long before you mail your is set up of a post box to get the response to your cry year and his use in those days you set up a post box because you didn't put an individual address because if you did the n f would be far bombing your address these were dangerous times so we had set up a post box so we were stunned when we got and the letters were just amazing so what was your message back to the will i really wanted the banner i remember one particular letter from a young. school student a young girl in aberystwyth and she wrote the shit out regina litter a melody maker and she said i've got a job graffiti choose a nazi and i hate racism i love music and you know what i do and so i wrote a letter back to her as was the start of that time that was what has to happen i wrote a letter and it just said right susan you are rock against racism aberystwyth get on with it and one of the things that came out of it as well was the people who
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were at the center of rock all sixty's people who'd been through the sixty's and been through vietnam solidarity love ins he paedo everything we did so they had some experience of organizing things and putting on festivals and gigs so it wasn't totally new to them but there was a concert. that you saw where to my goodness look where we are having are having started well at are unbelievable i mean when we did the victoria park carnival with steel pass and came out dressed in the 78 i was $78.00 so we have the clash who were the leading political punk band of the time we had tom robinson was that time just had the hit with sing if you're glad to be gay so you had all the politics not just racism but everything about oppression was mixed up steel pulse came on stage black regular band from hands with in birmingham came on stage dressed include klux klan outfits. and sang this song klu klux klan i was just
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incredible so that he had polystyrene who has passed away sadly who sang the incredible song oboe ndege up yours as a young punk feminist and i remember running out and so i was comparing the gig and i remember running out on stage and i just was overwhelmed with the amount of people and i just screamed this ain't no woodstock this is the carnival against the nazis and the crowd just went for our i just carried us through the rest of the day and it's a it was a blur it was such an incredible moment in my life i look back and people say older member when you know i don't remember anything me it just went into vapor so raucous race as if it was about sexy years or so we just it was the period of it it was really from it was like a shooting star really and when people try to start it up again lester said no you never can do that it was unique to its moment absolutely it was that time and that time only you know the train came in the station and on the platform was these
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reggae musicians milling about these punks milling about and they all stepped on the train and off we went on this incredible journey was from 76 to 82 but these 6 years these 6 short years had big affects them in terms of the of some groups or marriage those are the zoltan of rock against racism but also in terms of making music and accept to be accepted medium to get a political message across out of all that fantastic kind of cultural activity came things like live aid and womad and peter gabriel's things all came after rock you'd be either a political activist or your days as well as. a photographer which issue of your profession and an interest in the theater and when it came to shooting at the come through the the aisle to trump protest of what was your view of the style of the protest against the better compress the state versus well i. i was on the protests
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myself and it was just absolutely one of most extraordinary demos i've seen in years because it was a beautiful the sun was amazing and the whole of trafalgar square was full and late in the afternoon when the sun comes across trafalgar square and there was just i don't know 3 quarter 1000000 people it was absolutely incredible and the manifestations of all the little things that people had done like the baby trump and all the rest of it and all the handmade banners i remember someone had a picture of trump and it said you like comb over you spirit it was like it was just there so much going all over call your words it we should have a home and it reminded me like you know if i was an old geezer like i am now you know i'd have been on the streets do in our engine prop theater in the middle of that because there was people dressed up and people doing all sorts of incredible activities so you know it took me way back there let's talk about your career as a photographer did have a very substantial. for it is your photography politically or you have
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dated as well as would you describe photography as a form that you can get a message across absolutely now especially before know before i separated my commercial life and my cultural and political life sometimes that overlap or i'd use my photographic skills to help political campaigns whatever but they were pretty separated out a young family to bring up and all rest of it but now in the last 10 years the better part of a decade now i've been doing my hidden project about hidden working class history and that is 100 percent tell us that the exhibition mo test of the i have an exhibition opening in manchester this week and it's about the peterloo massacre because it's 200 years since the peterloo massacre and all the commemorations are going on all year i've been looking at my project looks hidden working class history and basically very simply i just shined. photographic light on these momentous events that have been overlooked and the hope of you photograph something
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which was just before the dawn the photography of the case well into lou what i do is i used the method of the french tabloid tabla v. form where you you use all the props of art culture painting theater or praagh and you the victorian started this in the french at that time where they'd bring together these elements to make images and then they'd cut out elements they punched out the negatives and they put them all together to make big images and i just do the same thing but i use the modern technology which enables me to do a group of 300 people for tuppence ha'penny because i shoot them all as friends everyone's a volunteer and i shoot them 3 at a time for that so i'm some at 2 o'clock some 8 o'clock and i save money and put these events together and they have they've 100 percent political work and you think in terms of things like it's a loose or something which unfortunately for many english school children will
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never head of some will but you think it is the lack of images which is. the age which is driven by images that's one of the reasons why there can be written history i think that so it's one of my motivations is to hope that my images bring these things back to life so people have a go what was that all about it is a fantastic method of it the 1st cinema graphic you do but my project ends when photography begins so i don't do anything from 850 on so it occurred to you for told is very much a part of the politics of lear absolutely well read to history the way to the manchester i can present you if they're like salmon quick you know the drill. only scotch in the quick and then past that won't all these friends have been or are has very very kind of you know which thank you very much
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a pleasure thank you both for untasted. the state visit to the united kingdom of the 45th president of united states is only the thumb ever accorded to a sitting president reagan eisenhower kennedy a free of the substantial occupants of the white house never accorded such an accolade only trump himself would evaluate his presidency in that category now if the british calculations that donald trump is vulnerable to flatly that's undoubtably collect this is the most narcissistic and thin skinned american president in history over if the calculation is that pomp and ceremony will somehow influence his negotiating behavior in any upcoming possible exit trade deal then it is a serious misreading of the donald's intelligence and. this president is not normal for giving any sucker an even break so how best to conduct protests against such a man public opinion is divided on the issue is substantial majority dislike the
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president and all his works this is not surprising given the ever growing trump library of offensive comments and prejudice opinions of another majority of the public would not ban the visit perhaps believing that the suspect in the office takes precedence over honoring the individual that's the organizers of this week's protests faced tough tightrope and judging tactics in the event the balance was probably correct numbers are important but they're not the be all and end all the more impactful and puncturing the trump ego is humor and here comes some precedented social media access and accessibility is important most often protesters are kept well oh to say to those protests against haven't any anti trump campaign or could have the virtual government teat that their protest will register with the president he may not always get the joke but it's enough to know he will certainly read the message take it personally and if you're very lucky regale against it and one of his famous alley or state court field rebuttals. unless sense
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social media is no the weapon of choice for both the president and his detractors not so much sobs at dawn but tweets in the early liked the stakes could not be higher as victory in this stool will dictate the politics of the planet for the next generation. protest politics is more varied in this modern age social media has opened up new opportunities but also has made mass organization much easier to boast of traditional marches and rallies when rock against racism broke the mold read sound off on these congress took to the columns of the new musical express to galvanize support 10 years later live aid broadcast to hundreds of millions no such a campaign would reach billions for the social media a 2nd show in the politics of protest will chart this transition and examine what it means for the sex sas and otherwise of campaigns next week i will be time to the
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leadership contest which will determine the u.k.'s next prime minister and which ironically no rivals the universe and song contest for the number of entries join us to find out who is likely to prevail and who will end up with no plot until then from tires myself and the rest of the team is good bye for now.
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as a wise man once said currency wars lead to trade wars late the hot more so we've got currency wars that's been going on now for 10 years 15 years or like particularly with china you know they artificially keep their currency low export their way into becoming a large economy and now this is led to trade wars. now pretty much declaring secession from the global economy as we go to neo mercantile ism age of globalization and lot of tourism and dollars ation is over and you know look at the globe we've got a few little hot spots there the encroaching hot war scenario is upon us. china does not want to fight us and we are opposed to fighting up at the same time we're not afraid of it china is both in resolute and he's able to defend its legitimate rights and interests china is still holding the door open for the us
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china trade negotiations if the united states she wishes to proceed with them he needs to be more sincere. overproduced was good if you knew the new book. he misses you don't blame people with. the response to move people. to. give them a. leave a model or to. just. do the no close you you presume this loop of going to your most funeral. you know he's doing this in both of us and us building an evening showing going to stand voting is winning a very risky kind of cases. because.
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he tries to be as good as you know the you know what who are you more you would almost to date isn't this the whole truth in doing. some list only for you in this someone who knows the. star 2 of the. ins and also the way as. the russian president says a breakdown in nuclear treaties well d. stabilize the world stressing the need for dialogue between major powers. today the most significant thing is negotiations between countries with the largest nuclear potential i think could be as is necessary to only change countries official and unofficial.

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