arabs on goods from mexico if they don't do more to stem the tide of illegal immigrants crossing into america but he has little or no support in congress including from his own party what happens next in this game of chicken with america's southern neighbor we're taking a look on this edition of politics. welcome to politicking i'm matthew cook in for larry king so president trump is not backing down from his promise to impose tariffs on imports coming into the u.s. from mexico if they don't join him in his efforts to stop the flow of illegal immigrants entering the u.s. mexico is america's largest trading partner and the president has virtually no support in congress for his plan including from the republicans so what happens next in this standoff and who's going to blink 1st let's begin there with the political panel they are george c. republican strategist he's in new york city and in borden town new jersey david murray democratic strategist and former advisor to barack obama's 20082012

presidential campaigns george david welcome to the program thank you matthew good to be with you matthew so let's start with these tariffs 5 percent tariffs on all goods coming from mexico there's no g.o.p. support for this george let's start with you in your estimation where does this game of chicken and. well i'm in north new york today but i'm a texan and one thing i thought we all learn from or to from the germans of all people is you don't fight a 2 front war at the same time you take care of one thing at a time and i want the mexico distraction to go away as quickly as possible sure we have issues with mexico sure when you share a multi 100 mile border with somebody can get complicated but there are as you stated previously there are number one trading partner ahead of canada ahead of china and the president mentioned while he's in the in the united kingdom that they were number one they're actually number 7 and our trade with mexico is actually

much much more balanced than it is with china so mixing your metaphors between trade and immigration control and national security related to that i think is a mistake john cornyn is a very dear old friend of mine who was number 2 in the senate until this year and john thune is the current number 2 in the senate he's a friend of mine i think they're going to act very very rationally with respect to this and they're going to push back really hard because it's it's not good public policy and i think the mexicans want to get this off the table quickly too and i think we'll get to some kind of rational resolution in short order we can focus back on the the real issue in trade which is china which has been lying cheating and stealing its way to unfair advantages in global trade for 3 decades now and it's time for them to be brought to account and we're going to pay a price for but they're going to pay a much larger price until they come to the table again david what do you think are they going to republicans going to be able to rein in. trump's barrage of of decisions that are against his own party's interests what's going to happen here

where how does this play out well. matthew i hate to generally agree with george because that's bad television but i generally agree with george look i think this is much more politics than policy i think it doesn't make a lot of sense it doesn't actually do much for the immigration issue because mexico needs help on that on wednesday there are people meeting around now talking about this issue will see of progress has been made by thursday today and we'll see how this all plays out but listen tyrus is not a great solution i don't care what anyone says i went to pretty good schools studied economics at the wharton school london school of economics tariffs and up punishing the country imposing tariffs there's a tax dimension to it and cation and countries start to game it out so this doesn't make a lot of sense in the republican senators aligned with the democrats isn't that funny view it that way there's a new c.n.n. poll that shows that a majority of americans 54 percent think that donald trump is going to win again

despite all the shenanigans we've just been talking about. how is the how is this possible that people still think he's going to win i mean if you compare this with obama between his 1st and 2nd term more people believe that trump is going to win now than thought obama was going to win and that was right after bin laden's assassination so you'd think that there would be more support or more confidence in obama's win than trump's but yet still here we are 54 percent think he's going to win what do you make of that david let's start with you well let me jump in i would say matthew that i think he may win and some of the smartest people that i know in politics think trump is the favorite i think he's the favorite. and it's interesting because we've advised 1000 when global presidential campaigns the question we find least helpful is who do you think's going to win it's as opposed to who are you going to vote for and what's your level of support on that question so in some ways it's the you know the horse race question we find not so helpful i

think the president look. strong and he has controlled the dialogue i don't like maybe george will disagree i don't like the way he's controlled the dialogue so effectively tends to divide and foment anger and division and he attacks the media those are a sort of go to place but he does keep yanking whether he's you know attacking meghan merkel whether he's attacking but midler whether it's attacking john mccain he does tend to grab ahold of the dialogue can be hard to run against trump now i think the counter argument is he's underwater in all kinds of states against biden and various people in pennsylvania in michigan he's a bines now ahead in texas jimmy carter was less president less democrat to win texas you know there's a lot of trouble i was about flat there's a lot of trouble michigan wisconsin pennsylvania ohio being flat for the trump campaign some people think he's a 40 percent president and therefore he's vulnerable to biden or someone else in the in the general election i think but i think trump can be very hard to beat he's definitely i think the favorite is the top dog george let's hear your thoughts

about this 54 percent of people think that trump is going to win is this cynicism or is this actual support what do you make of it it's a mixture of both and we're so far out in front no one has a clue who's going to win the next presidential election but i'll tell you how i will look at the whole situation as you take around the 8 to 12 states that are in play at this point in the country most of the rest are not even remotely in play and eat eat eat tell me within a month of the election which polling it within those states is an average of that polling are within the margin of error and i'll tell you what the what the odds are that the last election cycle every single battleground state was when the margin of error and yet most analysts were giving hillary clinton 95 percent chance of winning i got to do it a tour of british universities talking about american politics and i said i thought it was pretty close to 5050 because of this margin of error is she so i we don't

have any opinion on he's going to win until we get to that point as most. people don't really pay attention till then $1.00 big eyebrow raiser for me though is what david said is that the poll came out today it's a timid democratic leaning poll but it had biden up 4 points on the president in texas and that is absolutely unheard of and i think there's 2 reasons for that i think the 1st reason is is biden is a rational likable he kind of looks like a mr rogers of politics he's someone you wouldn't mind having except for the creepy pictures with the ladies which is overdone eed to have him on your front porch have a glass of tea or eliminator a beer or something like that and texans like that kind of person and secondly texans are tired of the divison of ugly personal attacks and rhetoric the president goes to too often texans don't operate that way and they don't like it and most people missed that mitt romney beat the president obama in texas by 17 percent in 2012 and yet trump only won by 8 in texas and in 2016 and

a big factor this is is the lack of being gracious towards your adversary tough rough they love that part of trump but gracious and he just doesn't do that very often and i think they better start paying a lot more attention to texas and they better start stop trying to talk down oil and gas prices because that's the lifeblood of houston texas and a lot of the oil producing parts of texas and it's been very obvious the president is trying to crush oil and gas prices and that's not popular either david you agree with everything george just sent. i mean i really hate to agree with everything george said but i do i think there's 3 issues that are coming at us one you know george sort of alluded to this are people just getting tired of drama is there a fatigue factor i mean it's awfully hard to be overloaded on what the trump tweet yesterday today 3 and a half minutes ago that's factor one factor 2 is we're 20 days out from the democrats' 1st debate we don't know how it's going to shake out this biden win the

nomination i think you know there's challenges there's issues he has he's certainly a very strong front runner at this point but come on harris and peter judge can rise up because they're not well known and still popular that's the 2nd factor the 3rd factor which none of us know the 3 of us what's this economy going to look like 8910 months from now do the long term bond prices really show some danger signs for this economy in some ways that's going to be so critical i think to perceptions of trump that could be a become a tipping point one way or another depending on what this economy looks like at that point what do you think about the democratic candidates the landscape right now i mean we've got a major division on the left. obviously is the front runner but he also voted for the iraq war a very unpopular issue popular to be unpopular with the progressive left wing and he voted for the 1904 crime bill also extremely unpopular with the progressive wing

of his stance on wall street we'll have to see about that is the democratic party more split than ever and how's that going to affect the upcoming election george. i think in this sound bite the era that we live in that people don't pay that much attention but at the same time they process information a lot faster and i think you're seeing that in the democratic polling where vice president biden has incredible name identification he's a stable presence he's a known commodity and he is way out in front of the rest of that field and if i were the rest of the field i would be not recklessly but viciously going after him right now because i think opinions even before the debates unless he has a terrible debate i think he's so far ahead that it might be really difficult for other people to catch up and i think there's a rational element within the democratic party that at all costs wants to defeat the president and they're going to go with whoever they think gives them the best

chance to do that and at least these incredibly early polls would point to the vice president the former vice president is the person to carry that out so if i were the other cast of 20 or whatever it is that are running i would have an all out assault on team biden because it pains me hard and he may just walk away with the nomination and i would say to 2 things back to what david was saying earlier we don't know what the economy can be like in a year and that's the president's biggest asset and his biggest likelihood of getting reelected is the base loves his judges we may slow down who knows but right now that's a huge asset for him and i want to point out one big weakness to me for vice president biden even though i think he's a compelling candidate for the democrats he's really old and he looks fragile compared to president trump i realize president trump is no spring chicken either but the vice president looks a little feeble to me and if i were kemal harris and the mayor of south been and some of the other candidates on the democratic side they've got a little bit of momentum but not much i would try to paint a contrast of where the youth vigor and energy of the future and you need to look

to us you don't want to look to the past and invite the vice president is the past that's what the way i would look at it george they haven't thank you so much. for your time today and for agreeing so much for a change more politicking right after the break. as a wise man once said currency wars lead to trade wars played the hot more so we've had currency wars that's been going on now for 10 years 15 years are like particularly with china you know they artificially keep their currency low export their way into becoming a large economy and now this is led to trade worse. now pretty much declaring secession from the global economy as we go to neo mercantile ism age of globalization and monetarism and dollars ation is over and you know look at the globe we've got a few little hot spots there the encroaching hot war scenario is upon us.

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call. is legitimate is a question that is crucial in libya and the one who needs to decide that is the libyan people that is why we should carefully slowly gradually legally go into elections today you have basically 2 parties so everybody laban's the other the way he wants because that is in very deep crisis of legitimacy and this crisis will finish them as it cannot be sold by going to be and that. china does not one to fight if we are opposed to fighting up at the same time we're not afraid of it china is bold and resolute and is able to defend its legitimate

rights and interests china is still holding the door open for the us china trade negotiations if the united states she wishes to proceed with them even needs to be more sincere. welcome back to politicking on matthew cooke sitting in for larry king in this era of deeply partisan politics there's apparently one issue upon which the democrats and republicans are seemingly willing to work together and that's launching an investigation into the business practices of tech giants like google amazon and facebook the latest investigation into the tech industry comes in the form of house judiciary committee antitrust probe so what does this mean for silicon valley and can congress really deliver regulatory action for an industry it hasn't yet shown an ability to even fully understand let's turn to the legal experts to weigh in on that they are kendall coffey former u.s. attorney with the southern district of florida he's in miami and in new york misty

maris trial attorney and legal analyst thanks for being on the program thanks man thank you so. misty let's start with you so monday house judiciary committee announced it's launching an antitrust investigation into the nation's largest tech companies google facebook amazon apple what is antitrust mean let's start with that antitrust in general means of voiding unfair competition and i think it's excellent that these probes are going underway one reason it takes a while notoriously for the law to catch up with technology and certainly these tech giants have been around for a while have been largely unregulated and so now at this point not only do we see this investigative probe we also saw the federal trade commission back in february get a committee together to really look at the business practices of these tech giants

so certainly this is a step in the right direction in determining number one whether or not there have been violations but do the laws that we have on the books at this moment actually cover these the issues that are coming forth with the expansion of technology kendall your comments well the essence of this is is seen broadly as control of the information about our lives the massive accumulation of artificial intelligence the very limited access to the information age because it's so dominated by by so few the biggest question is going to be how if at all can this really be changed because traditionally investigators such as the f.t.c. in the d.o.j. are really trying to look at issues that violate existing laws and a lot of the court decisions with respect to existing laws treat not so much the

access of other competitors that's certainly part of it but they focus heavily sometimes on what is the impact on. tumours or users for example of facebook paying greater prices because of illegal practices by facebook so the answer is it doesn't cost anything to get on right now is this is this is this is really interesting because here we have for the layman it seems obvious that facebook is a monopoly right it controls one 3rd of the entire planet market share of the planet we're talking about billions of people on facebook and there is nothing like facebook so for the from the layman perspective it's clearly a monopoly but this investigation it's supposed to look into 3 areas competition in digital markets and the competitive conduct and dominant firms and whether current laws are adequate so let's start with are the current laws and enforcement policies over these behemoths adequate misty well i think that really there

needs to be some changes and the 1st step the 1st step that's being taken here by conducting these investigations and making these inquiries and when i say investigations i'm not talking about formal investigations to identify violations of the law i'm talking about inquiries into the business practices i think what we're going to see next we're going to see testimony by giants in silicon valley we're going to see documents relating to the corporate structures and corporate business practices and by getting that information congress can then make a determination about where the holes in the law are what we just heard some excellent insight but by the other guest is that look a lot of this is focused on the consumer but what does it mean for these tech giants who are monopolizing the industry from the layman's perspective and that's where the law really needs to catch up and i think some of the issues that have come up in general with privacy and cyber security issues are really shining the

light on these problems kendall with regard to the competitive conduct of dominant firms what does that mean what are what are they referring to. well they're going to have to find something that shows specific illegal practices to keep competitors out for example does apple which dominates the the application world are they doing things so that it's harder for somebody to get their application in through excessive pricing or through other limiting its means that doing something more than just trying to be successful by marketing yourself as well as you can and finding those kind of illegal practices is not so easy we all recall famously the department of justice spent 13 years investigating i.b.m. i.b.m. like some of these other tech giants seem to be not just the king of the hill but the only one on the hill and yet at the end of the day they were not able to really establish a case i think that if congress gets really engaged and stays on this they're going

to find not only issues with respect to privacy but a need to create stronger laws with specific limits so that somebody can get a hold of the tech giants otherwise they are going to continue to grow and be more powerful frankly than anyone in congress hindered the jewelry or collectively in your opinion which of these tax cuts is most guilty of this kind of anti competitive conduct. kendall well i think well i'm sorry go ahead i'll just jump in and say i don't think you can say any one of them i think that certainly apple's going to get a lot of scrutiny just because they're in so many places in control the application market but it's hard to say that any of them are going to be found liable for anything at the end of this they're going to be nervous for a while but what's going to really have to happen is congress needs to look at exchanging existing laws or else we're all going to continue to feel that tech

giants are too popular why doesn't somebody do something about it and the answer is going to be nobody can do anything about it under the existing laws misty or green i definitely agree that to to assess more culpability to any individual company i don't think we can at this stage of the game maybe that will change as the probe continues but i will say that using google as an example it did so back in 2011 there was an antitrust case against group google by the f.t.c. they were fined $22000000.00 then another investigation unfolded in 2013 that didn't lead anywhere and that again shows that pattern of having inadequate laws but let's turn and look at the european union who's fined google $9000000000.00 with a b. dollars over the past 3 years now here in the united states there's a much more lenient view of free market on market competition and that's

why we see such a dichotomy of results and i think there's also been in the past a fear of stifling innovation and not really wanting to jump in to the tech world because of that fear but now as social media as as these companies as all of these tech the tech industry becomes more and more part of our everyday life there's certainly a need to at least do what the f.t.c. in the d.o.j. . it's doing which is looking into these business practices and trying to figure out where there are vulnerabilities in the law so will there be prosecutions based on what's happened so far maybe not because of the current state of the law but will there be a clear path moving forward will hopefully congress can get there so we had this this amazing editorial that chris hughes the co-founder of facebook wrote where he said we've got to break up the companies we've talked about some of the bird's eye view political analysis but i'd love to get your personal opinion sid we break up

facebook and jump in on that if it's ok matt because i think that far in investigations are chump change for a giant like facebook i think unless something happens structurally nothing is going to seriously change or interfere with their long term goals in their long term goals are greater presence greater money greater power misty. i definitely agree with that proposition but i do think it's too soon to draw any conclusion about what the right thing to do is whether it's to break up the company i do agree fines are kind of you know it's like pocket change to a certain extent but before we go as far as breaking up some of these giants there are other ways there are other limitations that could be imposed if violations are found so to me i'm all i'm a lawyer i'm all about let me have all the information and then understand what the

what the results are in like like what like how could we do it but what can we do to create some semblance of competition in the social media world. well i think right now the issue is that you have somebody like facebook acquiring other you have them instagram what's app basically any platform that that is equivalent to facebook that you could limit some of those acquisitions you could limit some of the terms that are in contract in fact that was an issue in the case in the e.u. where consumers are essentially forced into contracts that they have they have to stipulate to these contracts that they have no control over so there certainly could be limitations on some of those business practices i mean for breaking up the company i agree with with with both of you that more information is to be found but it just seems on a basic level that most people don't understand how to even begin talking about this so how do we get educated enough to even begin to talk about what does it mean

to break up facebook most of the time i think a lot of americans think breaking up facebook means somehow shutting them down or closing them down. in one degree or another but it actually means a 1000 different things breaking up the company could mean that you have 5 different face books but what does that mean do they control market territory do we have a west coast facebook at an east coast facebook how does it work how could we how could it work to break up facebook kendall why i think biz mystique correctly identify the sharing point which is future acquisitions instagram what's up there they're all now sort of gobbled up by facebook so that's part of the process it's not breaking the law but it's certainly slowing them down and as we saw with with a t.n.t. the conclusion of those process is they did create different territories and it may be that that's less feasible here but on the other hand that's got to be one of the things that's on the agenda for consideration i think one of the things that will

will have to tell and i'm talking about is is open source is somehow individuals owning their own social networks so whether it's facebook or instagram or something else that anyone can come into the marketplace and still own their own connections to their friends and i think it's the the monopoly on holding that data that really keeps facebook in a position where no one can compete against them but kendall misty thank you so much for your time today. thank you 8 thanks very much and thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking and also thanks so much to larry king for letting me sit in this chair today remember we love hearing from you join the conversation on larry's facebook page and as always you can share your thoughts on twitter by tweeting at king's things and using the politicking ash tag i also invite you to join me on facebook at matthew cook official and that's all for this edition of politic.

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