countries by germany which we have no problem i mean we why why do you think they have a problem with you know. they always criticize us for business just for the art of criticism for the pressure off for allowing chinese investors in our countries but you know what i'm telling you is that there are 16 the major investments by chinese companies in hungary 1116 are. sold the american german there is in hungary immediately became chinese investments so what we can do for how we can know how so the thing is that we are always criticised. 16 plus one for months but no one raises the same question when the german chancellor under french president together meets the chinese leadership and so. you know. how do you explain that it is that. different tiers different sets of rules

for different territorial number one this is double standards and number 2 that as i told you at the beginning making business with china is beneficial they don't like to have. competition issues now the decision making is supposed to be based on consensus which is more than just looking for a compromise or foreign and bargain is actually derived a learned just recently that derives from the latin word for feeling together and feeling alike in the other many of your interviews you keep saying don't pressure as don't criticize to look at yourself we have to be able to discuss that openly it looks like the old and the new you're somewhat different understanding of do they well unfortunately there have been some debates between the. countries we absolutely are against. putting the member states of the european union into 2 different leagues. of accession. because we are all equal members of

the european union our interest is to make do european union united and strong again the question is how to get there there are 2 basic approaches one approach. that we should make brussels strong and in the meantime the member states this concept called like a concept of the united states of europe which we totally reject and oppose our concept is different because it's think that the e.u. can only be stronger again if the member states are getting stronger and stronger so for us a strong european union must be based on strong member states member states which are proud of their national identity and we stick to their. historic cultural heritage i think this debate this question is particularly evident when it comes to the issue of migration and what strikes me is that i think much of that debate is really not only in attitudes towards the present policies but also in the past the e.u. was set up as a project that is specifically aimed at avoiding a certain kind of past germany's past 1st and foremost don't you think that it's

perhaps institutionally set up to ignore other countries historic sensibilities you know for us the migration issue is is number one a security issue. and number 2 issue for an entire issue but it's also utah you keep talking about civilization you're right and you seem to be very much attached to your definition of hungry as it is or as it used to be yeah well actually if you would like to maintain unger is a hungary and country and they would like to preserve europe as a european continent and the. statement that the european continent is a christian continent is challenge to read with this statement to be challenged you know what exactly by the way you mean by that because there is a great degree of diversity within christianity there is a great degree continue to believe in judaism christianity and islam i mean what what do you mean by saying christian content well for us the christian heritage is very important our country has been

a christian one for more than 1000 years the european union was established was established on the basis of a christian demarco what is it specifically for us equality of men and women. the mutual respect the respect virk the forward progress going to come from performance and such kind of things and do things the valleys and not present in other religious traditions or in atheism beachy also sometimes oh i don't want to. religions or other of our diversity realisations what i know is that europe was based on these values and these values are definitely the christian values now as you alluded before i. don't seem to be troubled of creating an image of a country that is not very welcoming of migrants in fact i think you are consciously trying to create that image but this is definitely not how the germans would like to be seen is this ultimately a conversation about values

a conversation about troubled past or some phobias or is it a conversation about power well 1st of all we would like to preserve our right to make a decision on a. our own between would like to lease together and this is number one number 2 we preserve our rights as a sewer and country to make a decision on our own who would like to allow to enter the territory of our country on whom we do not want to let. the territory or country run it was about the migration crisis you know there are 400000 illegal migrants marching through our country while eating garbage order showing totally no respect to or rules regulations expectations regarding behavior or public areas of blocking highways and the railroads so you know the younger people had a very clear instruction towards the government not to have these phenomenon the repeated in the future and we have to act accordingly and that's why we have built the fence on our border that's why our military and police is there and that's why

no illegal migrant was able to enter the territory or a country just said that. people need to have the right of determining what kind of country they want to be but some people would respond to that when the you are joining the european union you're already committed to a certain type of future to sudden type both country and to a certain set of values what would you say to that but actually when you become a member of the european union then by definition you exercise part of yourself running together. with the european union and it's obvious you know putting pressure on the member states to change their identity or to allow people to the territorial given country whom they do not want to a low this is not a european value now following the recent success of the elections the.

president of your country had a very interesting statement to make he said that gave us the task of stopping immigration all across europe and i think that seems like a very broad interpretation of he is monday in. just argued that the germans or somebody else should not tell they can gary and who should live in their countries don't you think that they can guarantee you should not speak for the germans i think illegal migration should be stopped. if you look at the results you'll see that in countries where there are more than 2 parties which is $27.00 of. the highest public support almost 53 percent number 2 is the polish law and justice party who received almost 46 percent then the. people disagree. so the top 4 parties having a very strong illegal migration agenda illegal migration had a very serious impact on the entire european union look at the figure since 2015

there were of 33 major terrorist attacks. taking place in the european union committed by persons read the migratory background killing more than 300 people. societies which were created in the western european societies you see that they pose a security risk and they call it a risk as well because you know i mean such kind of decisions the symbols of christian faith should be taken all from public institutions is is really. serious but i think their religion is also faced similar pressure is on for example there is a pressure off downplaying islamics and i don't know i don't know about any islam country . of the muslim faith was forced to take from any kind of. places but anyway you know when it comes to let's say migration in order to address the. labor market challenges i think that that must be left as

a national competence we do all the member states we do not need any kind of migration when it comes to be sure and when it comes you allow the germans and others to make that decision for themselves i mean you know we've never judged them . you know prime minister was talking about stopping. illegal migration you know i mean if a country i mean if we have to leave it doesn't. make a decision how you would like to address. your challenges if think that. is a bad. for 5 years under enormous pressure. to act according to our. people. even the legally i think it's one thing to rail against the establishment it's another thing to offer an alternative your party is now still. within the european

parliament you are part of the establishment is that going to change after. there is a very serious debate. which is still forming the biggest group in. the status quo. it was enough. people's party and the socialist party came together behind closed doors made some deals and. you were also part of. this is over because the. decrees in the way that. the rise which. biggest parties should. our position is. a very successful. spectrum and.

we'll see how. that. plays. and we take part in the debate. which way this party group should go in the future mr let us take a very short break now but maybe we'll be back in just a few moments statement. join me every thursday on the alex i'm i'm sure and i'll be speaking to get a feel of the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you that .

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welcome back to worlds apart that hungary's foreign affairs minister peter c.r. the minister the current government has a blossoming relationship with the trumpet ministration the you've publicly praised it many times for its focus on national interest and it's all well and good until you have competing interests when push comes to shove do you think the trumpet administration would be more receptive to hungary's national interest for example the e.u. has been so far but actually the president was elected. was kind of a fresh air in the european politics leader of the united states of america 1st and gave us the chance to strengthen our position hungary 1st and you know we based our foreign policy on the principle of mutual respect so we respect the national interest of others well to expect others to respect the national interest of ours as well was not the case with the former u.s. administrator live let's talk about it because i think one potential bone of

contention between you and the americans is your and i just supplies for the time being you're getting much of your natural gas from russia by ukraine but the americans obviously are very eager to replace that or at least supplement that on supplies which are more expensive and all of the guaranteed how is it in hungary's national interest to replace something that's cheaper and more reliable with something that's more expensive and still tammy was because many of those fields and all of the peroration and yet the situation is even. more simple because currently hungary is a country. as no access to any kind of port and the country made by the 5 planes to the border are surrounded by countries who have not completed their homes just give you 2 ideas number one. is still not building the ports in the crook number 2 there was

a gas explored discovered on the. territory of black sea or the right of exploitation. to. which is an american company on the beaches in austria they have not made their final investment decision yet to exploit the kind i say we would all do respect even the very complimentary of both of those projects i would totally agree with you on the if you had operational you were very eager to see them moving ahead in fact david corn and i think he is the. sad on a number of occasions that hungry a must that versified center just supplies would be happy to do so but there's no physical what can i do well i mean that's that's still ongoing i think they remain the unfilled at least is still on did the discussion but my point to you is why is it not ok for brussels to tell you what hungry must do and why is it ok for washington to look for the american ambassador to tell you what you must do to talk

to the americans very openly and very on the sly so when we sit together the american ambassador in budapest whom i respect very much i tell him the thing is physically not diversified why because of. because you or your company and the austrians have not made their final investment decision in rumania so currently there are 4 friends and allies us. rumania and. there we can diversify into future or not but bot. you know he thinks that some tosses and operating industry you cannot make promises on turns you need gas for that and if i can buy gas from croatia because there is no construction works and if i cannot buy gas from rumania because find the investment this is not me i cannot do anything goes i just continue cooperation and there is delays in the u.s. mandated projects made hungry consider extending its agreements with gas from do

you see that as a temporary as a kind of band-aid until the freedom gas becomes available or is it something more long term i have to tell you honestly but i mean he of the american investor comes to you 6 months down the line and says ok exxon mobil is investing i am going to put the plug on the gas for a number of mines or one. when it comes to gas supply what matters to us to be safe i mean predictable and to be cheap that's a competition so we have to take care of both strategic and tactical interests as well and you know it's a competition so whichever is the cheap whatever is the source is the cheaper and whatever source is more reliable we. minister and none of those projects that you mentioned operational yet and yet you already put your. contract through the gas from into question you were considering whether to extend it and not and this is my question is it has expired i mean there's another going on or a version has expired because at the end of this year or next year the latest it

expires but you made it sound that russia is your own. 3rd there were maybe a 2nd safe option if the americans are not there and i'm asking you whether it is fair to rush or. well there may be a minimum number. he never ever while you were at a conference i think it was in texas when when you said that you are eager to diversify if the those of the changes said there but there's if it changes i'm not even put in place why are you discussing them i mean the you said that you need to be safe and stable but that infrastructure does not even exist why us for speaking about it that's why that's why i was in order to get us out of the same level with what russia has been supplying to you for decades no one considers on the same level i mean a continuous dialogue with us from this morning i started meeting mr north and. go straight to him to see your meter we have agreed that mr miller. the gas

supply you need for next year. is already delivered this year and view would be stored in hungary they have already arrived here agreement of next year's supply so we are in continuous negotiations i would like to state here that's what we have agreed so far if you've guessed from was delivered so guest has been a reliable partner for us but in the meantime we are definitely interested in any kind of possibility for diversification of their variant if for example x. and noble decides to finally in vast in to that the remaining filled you would. excluding and turning back on gas i mean. i don't care about. calling because.

it has never made any kind of struck me so this is number one number 2 you know we i mean hungary and companies have. hungary. when it comes to. these national interest so if there's an opportunity to buy gas from a different source. competitive price. another situation of this is. the 3rd. and diversifying the. sources excludes each other. service. to see the. operational 2121 because if this is the case that's another form of diversification diversification in france and they are. still the russian them in i assume it

cannot compete on the same level as the freedom gas from the united states. actually. it's a market issue you know that in this day and age particularly with the trumpet ministration not everything is the market issue i mean they bring politics into almost everything and putting the energy issue aside the trumpet ministration is pretty open about threatening european companies european institutions with sanctions and undercutting the economically. full do you think there will ever come a moment when hungry will have to choose really choose politically and. in brussels and washington well i hope we'll never get in such kind of a physician and tell you why. we have a very open economy small but open economy so already our export of g.d.p. ratio is higher than 85 percent so whatever happens on the international markets determine or national economy performance pretty much 78 percent or export goes to

the european union member states but our number one export market outside of the european union is the united states so any kind of debate. the e.u. us economy and trade and investment cooperation is harmful to us number one investor is germany number 2 investor is the united way to say nobody likes choosing between mum and dad but this is the bargain that donut shop sometimes drives and he's very particular about it so when push comes to shove do you feel more aligned do you feel your future and the future hungary's more aligned with the european union or the american national we are members of the european union for sure so for our interest is to make european union strong again but i really do believe that if you want to make european union stronger that needs a good cooperation with the united states so i rather instead of making fantasies about whom to choose i have to concentrate on the successful negotiations between the u.s. and the european union now we talked about the ears and evelyn's about smaller

countries dealing with china but the trump an assertion is far more hawkish when it comes to corporation of the beijing and they are reframing it from an economic security issue and as a member of nato how much room for maneuver do you think hungry has in dealing with china you know in this regard i'm always very honest with my american friends and counterparts as well i myself supervise intelligence as well as foreign minister of foreign affairs minister and so far. i have not received information as we. would have. obstacles on the way of our economy. of the american intelligence i'm sure the you're american or there's. no. evidence is. like trying to whoever else or anyone else. harm or risk our national security. harms our national

interest security or whatever we reject if you go against. our national interest then we try to cooperate i give you one other example our american colleagues. the president you know from china pretty much and they are i'd be goes. heavily present in hungary. 5 g. infrastructure. because the 2 main. provider a company in hungary contracted them to do so and you know who are those 2 companies. and so the number one german and the number one british telecommunication companies so whenever they come to me. dangers of huawei. to the germans and the british finally if i may minister for a small country congress seems to be very successful at playing at the differences of big powers but it seems that those differences are getting

a little bit out of hand i wonder what's your broader outlook on the where the world is having i am more concerned or more excited well. we are definitely excited because changes are going on and i'm pretty sure these changes are extremely quick comprehensive and. these changes that's why we continuously you know make decisions on the economy to see how to take advantage of the changes that we as i told you we base our. mutual respect and respect others respect respect from others as well and we try to take as many advantage of the changes as it's just possible for the benefit of our people so it's always a pleasure thank you very much for so much money with us i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. same place same time here and also part.

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