prime minister chris welcome back to going on the road just before we get to w. and foreign affairs what went wrong in peterborough where the mainstream media seems to be suggesting you should have won with the i don't know one with a bigger majority well i thought it was it was an excellent result i mean particularly given the circumstances that we're confronted with at the moment and the attacks that we were subjected to in the room into the election on thursday i think we've got a really good result i mean the truth is we've increased our majority of peterborough isn't really a traditional labor seat but because of our organization i think also because of the strength of the message that we were putting out there a message of hope a message that we can transform the country people turned out and voted labor and as i say we got a bigger majority than we achieved in 2017 so i'm thoroughly delighted with the result when arguably mainstream media narratives on syria have never been more powerful these past what 10 years nearly tell me about the written question you've

written to or the foreign secretary well come very concerned only did i express those reservations of last year about the decision to launch strikes against syria based on very flimsy evidence and i got pilloried frankly in the mainstream press and by some of my parliamentary colleagues but it now looks like the concerns that i had a were shared certainly by a number of the p.c. w. investigators who were looked into the question of a chemical weapons attack in duma and what the c.w. report said at the time after they concluded their deliberations was that yes it looked like it had indeed been a chemical weapons attack and that there you know they're a bit actually launched from the air as it were robert fisk who spoke to people shortly after the attack said that the doctors that they. i thought the people were

suffering from the effects of something called hypoxia which is a shortage of oxygen created by a big dust cloud which was created but as a result of ability but not by a chemical weapons attack now it turns out there was a minority report suggesting from the a p c w that the the canisters the couple were chemical weapons canister was actually placed there by somebody on the ground as it were robbed and then dropped from the sky we've invited the o.b. c.w. on it seems you're busy w. . despite the redaction is now seeking out who this whistleblower is a leak the document the working group on syria propaganda media is you i suppose we have to be grateful to you mention robert fisk i mean he said i witness is a claim no gas used when he visited duma after the staged attack is it worth the alleged stage attacks but who could possibly benefit by the r.a.f. bombing there i mean only al qaeda and i says they asked presumably. well that's

that's the concern of course the you know the kind of military conglomerate the shady organizations which benefit from cells but as robert fisk himself has said that when you read a report from the o.p.c. w. you expect the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and the fact that they've you know redacted a key element of the report which is now come to light i think you know draws people to the conclusion that well maybe we can't trust the a p c w after all and that is very very worrying indeed this is one of the organizations that you know should be all impeachable in that sense this stores it seems to me bring into sharp relief the need for people like julian a song chelsea manning to actually shine a light on these matters the hysterical mainstream media the time a year ago who seem to be clamoring for military air strikes have been incredibly

silent about this i remember having a very rough interview one channel 4 about the whole issue and yet they seem to as far as i'm aware of failed to follow up now with this. i think you know damning that revelation which has been brought to light by whistleblower before anyone thinks that britain committed the supremum war crime in the u.n. charter by bombing syria. because it wasn't self-defense and never u.n. security council resolution surely our prime minister relied on and the government relied on their own independent intelligence aside from the o.p.c. w. your leader jeremy corbyn or germany or the leader of the labor party privy council that would have seen the intelligence there must be more to it although i should have you recall we know he didn't support the airstrikes now jeremy certainly didn't support it and the point i was making at the time 12 months ago it was that the that the intelligence was was very very limited i mean when making. to the

house and spoke a minimum she was relying on was hearsay and goodness knows how many civilians died as a consequence of the of the airstrike that she was responsible for you mention whistleblowers the shadow home secretary diane abbott was lampooned for her support of julian as against what tourism insider javid said about the capture of julius and you the un claims as being tortured in south east london do you see whistle blows as key to trying to trying to find out the reasons why britain bombs other countries well without these whistleblowers then much of this information simply wouldn't come to light and welcome to light in the in the future and you know they've provided an invaluable service it seems to me to the public interest and what is very regrettable is the tradition that we used to in a way i suppose take for granted that you know best addictive the journalists you

know serious journalists like john pilger and so on seem to be something like in these days i mean robert fisk is a very unusual animal these days but arguably the house of commons didn't take much notice of robert fisk article he said about duma that a doctor he interviewed heard someone shouting gas and it was a white helmet to golding is why i witness video here b c w report it they said someone shouted gas but the they removed the idea that it was a white helmet the white helmets of course are funded by the british government what did you make of that what i think that again is very troubling information isn't it and it's going to call into question future reports that the o.p.c. w. is responsible for other things wrong than indulging in some sort of witch hunt against the whistleblower inside the organization they should be you know venerating honor and honoring that individual and using it really as

a way of you know repairing the day. homage to their reputation and given the public if you like the trust of the future reports that they deliver are trustworthy well as i say we invite the o.p.c. w on this show we haven't been able to get them to try and get a statement from them let's just turn quickly to the 2 year anniversary of the granville tragedy or catastrophe that so many saw was emblematic of post $28.00 austerity what do you make of the kids who didn't tell the m.b.m. event code claiming that the attitude of the council there was futile that racism let alone classism is now evident people talking about the area around grandville is a africa down there well they were absolutely shocking revelations from there and you know to hear that kind of language in this day and age particularly in view of what happened there 2 years ago is really spine chilling actually and you know i said at the time the grenfell is

a direct consequence frankly of of decades really of deregulation privatization and cuts it we've seen the fire rescue service hacked to the boat i think so 20 percent of frontline firefighters have gone you a shadow fire in emergencies minister any fears that it's going to be the firefighters they get blamed or not the property developers and private contractors that may have been involved in this tragedy well that seemed to be the tenor of the of the inquiry and you know i did express some reservations at that so i am about some out in the more big the the chair of the inquiry was seen as a pillar of the establishment and it made some very juby asst rulings on the key legal cases previous to that we need to ensure that this report that eventually comes out those have the confidence of the local community but to try to you know push the blame onto the fire fights is absolutely shameful and that seems to be the tenor of some of the the discussion and the questioning that was being port you

know during the inquiry where firefighters. ready giving evidence that he's absolutely not the firefighters what they all heroes say you know they risked their lives i know that people some of the firefighters went in so that building busy on 3 or 4 occasions and i know some people who have friends who lived in the in the tower and they they nearly perished they they were their lives were saved by the fire fights as they were they were they accepted the advice and they that somebody came knocking on their door and said we need to get out they said no no the advice is we need to stop but they said the situation was getting desperate smoke was coming into the flat and they decided to get the families together so that we can have to try and get out if they the wet towels over their heads they got down 3 floors and collapsed from smoke inhalation it was thanks to the fire fight says that saved their lives and busy so many people's lives were saved on that not be you cannot blame the firefights is the responsibility for this lies with those political decisions that were taken and it goes back a long time ago but really frankly to the implementation of neo liberalism in this

country chris williams and thank you after the break 37 years to the day israel was defeated by syria and lebanon we question a tradition reporting of the war now hydrated live with the m.p. for aleppo and the founder of the syrian network for human rights elizabeth coming up a bunch of going on the ground. when else seems wrong. but all wrong just don't call. me. yet to see. does the answer. and in detroit equals betrayal. when something find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground.

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a great body. we the red carpet the only thing that i didn't enjoy was my dancing on ice in moscow my dancing. on ice. well thankfully we nailed it literally there we go. welcome back this week chemical weapons used by the assad government comes under scrutiny at the u.n. security council could britain again join with the u.s. and france in bombing syria because nato nation media is again full of news of alleged war crimes being carried out in the ad lib in the northwest of the country

one of those calling for urgent action is the chairman and founder of the syrian network for human rights father loved the ghani he joins me now via skype from istanbul in turkey thanks for coming on the show what is the situation in libya right now and i think the people being is continuously taking really started getting lots of financial centers and this and it's already documented more than $300.00 it civilians being killed including about like condit children and $65.00 woman so this is a very high little village is actually it's taking place since $26.00. 0 well it will still so they know lots of people have been injured civilians as well ready docking all of the media make it go facilities we get it we record it 27 . and 54 schools have been targets there. before

place of of warship as well that's one pretty i.d.p. camps that's need 2 people to be to fight and to to be displaced and move to further from the border all of clashes above further to the north of syria i'm just one drink whether you think that there shouldn't really be any action at the moment against the people that control it lip hired terry or al sham yes of course that serve the society that the syrian society is expected to much from i hate to have the assurance from isis the extremist group that's that's right actually but we don't think that this is the way to defeat or to actually get said out of sham byte by byte targeting the civilians and bought up by 3rd getting everyone actually. i think the strength of the military it

syrian fighters in order to make themselves feel who are the moderate syrian fighters actually this is this the finish and also need to be very much important but dogs actually are available always fighting a forum with us for examples but also are there to for i would the people who is the source are the local people who is the don't effected by their mind by. and who is fight for civil rights i made it clear sham and isis as well and also they fighting the regime they brought fighting the last war both sides as as were those are not exist actually there and fight alongside the al qaeda linked formally . group. nor they will not fight with that with them i think maybe but now if it may be so they are of the united. against because they

consider a set of them all but the worst sight of they are nothing to them we just be clear they consider the president assad of syria is worse than groups that supported the $911.00 massacres on washington and new york i don't think that this illness are similar to all those who support the use of what's happened in washington but of course weak on damn all of the extremist groups but i think is committed war crimes than what hate the heavier sherm is there in syria killed like further maybe trouble or or other herbals ready volition than what's the other side is is committed to a set is committed about 85 percent from tortola very rich in what's happening in syria so i think no one is accepted at all and they will be united but who will

push people to be extremists actually the luck of intervention to protect the civilians so they pose or go link you not calling for intervention you're neutral n.-g. o. right not actually we are objectively not in utah neutral is i.c.r.c. but i actually the international law considered the a responsible to protect us once rosabelle and desist exists by the general assembly in 2500 have you supported british bombing of syria last year. we didn't support the any any syria in general we saw or intervention to fix this is billionths that's very specific we are not supporting general bumping for anyone actually by not calling for any outside military intervention we are calling for insufficient to protect the civilians outside of medical humanitarian not military military and

medical and if that any any measures and this is and this is very clear call for military intervention your advocating for the supremum war crime as as in the un charter because military intervention is illegal as the supreme war crime under the un charter as you all when they were in security council failed to implement the charter saw what to do no 8 years of failure and killing of civilians and crimes against a gay partner i mean obviously that's illegal under international law it is the supreme war crime i mean you are saying these figures of 320 killed in aid lip and of course we have a problem that you're advocating i mean arguably for the supreme war crime are you actually connected to the british government we are not linked to the british government or any government actually we are and we could you cite is the

international coalition very rich and as well as we criticised the russian armed forces very rich so the british government is lying the foreign office is lying when in their report from 2018 they quote the syrian network for human rights they say that in the footnote you quoted quite a few times and it's called save syrian schools the british government says they work with you and they footnote russian atrocities that you've claimed through videos. they are not lying if they are several government putting us a lot of government because we are really all about source we provide our local national organization will provide the government with information with is it so it's it's very obvious that state department be putting the ask the dentist to foreigners the u.k. all of the even the are big some of our big government as well that the turkish authority it sold we are open source we are publishing we haven't is funded because

they there are claims that there are the british government has been providing spence's this if this project we are just part disappeared with this school project as one offs of our source or so as well so we are not funded for this project we are not getting fund from the. government at all but maybe they fund this project is committed to with the i.c.t. issue a lot concerning me of course is that there seems some circularity here because if you work with british and think the organizations who advocate regime change in syria and then provide the statistics the british government uses for us the public to want us to go to war with syria. this is just one big soko isn't no but you are you didn't allow me to complete my sentence and so a lot you up talking may be more than what i want to talk i want to explain mine in

my opinion if you are allowed to me we are not i'm coming to repeat again that this project we are participate with this project only this maybe i.c.t. here is funded by by the u.k. so let's finish from this point how are we going to war to transitional or stability for the syria i know that we want or if we or ready we want steady for this year. once you get to be moved from this circle this is going to happen by political process not by keep killing people keep pressure people to do that and this will lead to the violence and this will not going to end at all for your bombing just to be clear the syrian network for human rights is not advocating for bombing well you just said a moment ago that you wanted military intervention military intervention i told you

specifically to protect the civilians do you do that fairly are all that you and security council conduct shaktar 41 and 42 we're not there it's in the chapter they mentioned when the political things fields and it's filled in syria not that there is nothing in the un there are only 2 ways in which military intervention works under the un charter i think of and they believe it's the supreme war crime father lobdell ghani thank you well to respond to those accusations as the m.p. for aleppo and chairman of the syrian federation of industry faris shahabi he joins me now via skype from aleppo fires thanks for coming back on so why are serious all jer's russian soldiers why are they bombing hospitals and killing civilians in the . well according to these are these false allegations we have more hospitals in all of europe and united states combined every every school square inch we have done or

a top 20 hospitals while the other guys here said we're going to 5 the u.k. guardian said 25 hospitals and something called civil defense rescue centers have been bombed by c. c. . the civil service and centers were dick al qaeda flags and al qaeda troops one of these locations it was underground in a remote area and you know of course you would find the white house let stuff inside of it as long as it out and you can't missiles and the seaport explosives what about the fall of them as you go all over the 54 schools the places of worship the 326 killed between 26 and i 2nd june we do a 100 injured look we've heard these lies in the when we liberated east the eastern parts of aleppo and when we went there to see it was a big lie as a matter of fact these 40 to 50000 put in there terrorists there they are the ones who are targeting our cities the city of my how did the christian part of my how did a christian town square you be here with rockets every day and we have martyrs civilian

people killed every day by these terrorists sky news kankar sky news award winning reporter alex crawford after her coverage of libya. she's been to your country she came under fire when she was with a terrier al sharm who do you think what do you make of hired because we just heard from the syrian network for human rights that they're not as bad as your president . well if they're not so bad why are they meeting what i did working with i mean i'm talking about pictures of videos i'm not talking about allegations it when you when you promote such groups the chopping groups do it to guys who do not believe in their multiethnic society multi-religious society the ones who only believe and shout it out on the religious law in syria well i say that if i say sky news the british guardian britain's channel 4 news they're all claiming that your government is committing atrocities trump of course just before the day he met the queen here in london said russia syria to

a lesser extent iran targeting innocent civilians some people saying we're prepared for more bombing of your country britain is what did you make of the o.p.c. w leaked documents suggesting no chemical attack in duma which was the premise of why britain bombed your country last year of course because we know we knew before day that the leak was you know dossier w. leak this we knew it was serious would be doing a hospital staff the ones that were that work show one individual and video they said that there was no bombing there was no chemical bombing they said it was staged by the by did but the white helmet gang which is which is funded by the british foreign office these networks these news networks are collaborators with either they are funded by the promote the idea they are just as guilty in shit in shedding syrian blood as al-qaeda you know turkey won't as agreed with russia last year appears not to be abiding by the agreement doesn't want them back in turkey

what is going to happen we saw 25 years ago when genocidal militias in rwanda they used hutus as human shields we're going to witness that kind of thing and they do. look turkey is using its monitoring points as basis for training arming ok i don't just days ago date i'm talking about a lot of support they just aren't al qaeda. and tons of weapons including italo anti missile tanks we don't trust the government it don't just government works and use this these gangs in order to as a tool in order to. syria land they want it lip to be part of turkey we know that your real intentions and we don't trust them and we will liberate the 3000000 or so civilians thank you and we invite the turkish ambassador london on the shoulder about those claims will be back on wednesday ahead of the 2nd anniversary is going

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