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and welcome to cross talk for all things considered i'm peter a little on this edition of the program we discuss what drives the russia china relationship critics claim it is a marriage of convenience proponents say otherwise it is the pivotal relationship of the 21st century. some real news i'm joined by my guest dmitri he's a political analyst we spoke make international and in london we cross to marcus papadopoulos he's the editor of politics 1st magazine original in cross talk rules in effect that me. you can jump anytime you want and i always appreciate only go to

markets 1st in london we had in st petersburg over the last few days a visit by the chinese president sealed some deal new trading deals with russia at the same time we had this gathering commemorating the 75th 75th landing at normandy which 2 events of the last few days will be remembered most in history go ahead marcus well anyone who fought against nazi isms who all who falls against imperial japan should be commemorated and should be celebrated its however it's ever since the end of the 2nd world war unfortunately in the west principally american brits and history has been rewritten because if someone from another planet came suit they would spank that will suit the cat and it's on the beaches of normandy which is absolutely incorrect it was only decent strums well overall suit

it was won and lost is on the east and fronts a bad marks in 88 percent of the homeschool wars on casualties so let me put it in another way very fine if german soldiers killed it was also for financing against the red domains and it is the sacrifices of the great army that enable naziism to be discreet its be destroyed and peter you and i would not be having this discussion on cost or without the sacrifices of the soviet union exactly exactly well that's absolutely true also i would like to make it clear why putin and xi jinping did not come to france 1st they were not invited because it was supposed to be at the prime ministerial level for some reason this year and 2nd in 2015 when russia and china commemorated they were victory days in may and in september the and off kluge tremendous suffering you know the 2 nations the close to. most during

that war the western leaders didn't come our bomber was invited he didn't come to moscow he didn't come to be even though he was invited so now when their mainstream western press is heaping all criticism on trump well i think grampa has been behaving very badly in the last few years but it all started under obama so you know talking about the is cheney's trade war and other things i think the relationship between their liberal establishment and trump is like the relationship between dr jekyll and mr hyde. is doing all of this something that the liberal elite has started doing secretly but they are bombing did not include china in the trans-pacific partnership or that was armor and that was intentional absolutely he did not include russia he did not include china he did not include the 2 biggest nations or west pacific into trans-pacific partnership so it was clear that these

partnership would die and when trump killed it he basically continued what obama started doing so before you criticize trump who is mr who is mr hyde looking to the mall of evil inside mr jekyll is mr j. cole nice no this is this is the relationship between their liberal establishment in the united states and trump the allow him to do unpopular things that they themselves want to do with it's go back to london markets it's not about china in russia i mean the critics of this relationship growing relationship they call it a marriage of convenience you can also argue as i said in my introduction that it may be the pivotal relationship of the 21st century when what say you marcus welby it was only in 2016 when i go to college london cautions relations in which i asked. the relationship between moscow and beijing become even close so

well freeze on some that state it has it is at unprecedented its highest level and there are a number of factors for that one of them is that russia has an extraordinary amount of natural resources and china lacks natural resources in particular to and the chinese economy is made massively dependence on natural resources so the russians of course are supplying. gas coal and also water to china which is crucial for the chinese economy also china and russia on alarms at american aggression in the well as in china's alarmed at the increasing american naval presence in the south china sea china is alarmed at the american defense system in south korea and of russia is alarmed by nature in eastern europe but i'm not i know this is going to disappoint some people. they get the idea that russia and china are going to cons

to take on american bankrupt america is of course following the chinese over the last 6 years have achieved nothing short of an economic miracle and that they were will be based on its relationship with china so the chinese will not do anything that could jeopardize their economic sense and so i would describe the relationship between the us and china as something like $36.00 i think it's good for global peace i think it's good for global stability russia and china are more allies than they are i think that that's a very good point and i actually that is my position as well you know kamal we've heard a lot about this relationship and some people called strategic partnership there's been a lot of words ok trade is up taking but it's still relatively small when you can compare the kind of trade that russia still has with begin with europe so i mean are our actions now finally catching up with words well i think with. this in

fact correlation this union between russia and china would have never been possible if it hadn't been for the conduct of the west and i don't mean just the united states i mean also the european union because you know the kind of articles that if on these d.-day you know anthony beevor in the times compared. to chain it was really disappointing to me this is a story and he's related skills and he's an interesting historian but he's analogy was that russia and china are like the german nonces and romp is is disintegrating the western alliance against them so he's misbehaving you know he is and you. and this apparently was absolutely wrong it's actually immoral the same parallel from. the washington examiner. i'm asking myself would american public support more than phoebe assault to liberate a foreign country what if china seized the japanese islands off simcock 1st they're

not japanese. and there are good you know there's so many more goods are there. and then what the. invaded the baltics would we started in phoebus assault to help need to push them out of there these are provocative terrible statements and unfortunately they're not monsoonal they reflect the mainstream the mainstream of the of the western media so in this situation when the united states on war against why wait and see and then all of the of all the media outlets c.n.n. is writing that these quad waveband research showing showing countrywide slowing down countrywide adoption in the united states over the 5 g. so maybe we will be legen behind china called now even russia not usually is thought of as a leader maybe poised to pull ahead. and quote so that the states and the

leadership of the united states in the u.i. big i mean an impediment for technological development by i mean a trade war that i think everything you just mentioned enemy turn back to london markets here it's built into the mix that russia and china are the enemy i mean look at this this is this preparation of the of the populace. to d.m. russia in china in league together all my goodness you know threatening western institutions and their way of life i mean just a very rhetorical pitch tells you a whole lot about the policy perceptions will we have the united states changing its foreign policy and defense postures assuming that the the adversary said they will fight is not the war on terrorism because it was never a war on terrorism but now great appear power confrontations which of course keeps

our defense industries well well paid ok and if you're invested in those companies you're going to make a lot of money go ahead marcus well i think the american politicians literally. really are creatures because undoubtedly there are some who do believe in china. but seem are it's a ton of america and what is their fear because of that that the russians and the chinese will impair america's ability to wage war around the world what's wrong with that and what you're. trying to get the north at back i seen it all counting in the last 35 years are likely united states unlikely to go it marcus go keep going i mean it's turned into these people in america on track to hear what they want to continue people's lives they want to continue destabilizing the globe and stability and stability and they fear. that russia and china could prevent them

from doing it's release and insert its wealth and the common states is that the matrix just asserts will cause i would give them any export whatsoever but these are the same people who don't question how bill clinton said that god told him to be or how much you'll stop oh how adults hold changed to invade iraq or how and why recently said donald trump was all to protect israel from the wrong these people are serious the silence on what i would describe as critical comments yeah all of the you know demon i mean the imperial endeavor is a bipartisan i'll give you the last word in this part well right now there russia chinese trade is $180000000000.00 and usually the critics point to the fact that a lot of its energy a lot of he said i want it as energy and the critics point to this fact saying all their american chinese trade is still much bigger well 200000000000 so it had already been import you know. terrorists who are imposed on that plane to 5 percent

300000000000 are under threat of such tariffs so if the united states and if their western world at large continues behaving in that way russia trade with china will grow old and have no experience in h.r. i want to thank marcus papadopoulos from joining us here in london we're going to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news state with our team. would hope to do something to. put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. some want to. let you go right. but that's what. 3 of the more people. interested

in the war. was but as will survival. when customers go you are just. well reduced. that's undercutting what's good for markets is not good for the global economy. welcome back to cross talk or all things considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing some real news. and now we're joined by alexander macarius in london he's a writer on legal affairs as well as editor in chief of the duran dot com all right let's go do london. i know you heard the 1st part of the story of the program here

let's continue with the russia china story here it's kind of flip it from what we've talked about with marcus papadopoulos i mean really what is stake here as i said in my introduction this may be the pivotal relationship of the 21st century because what you're essentially saying in process of being played out is the integration of the your out your asian lands. landscape where we have you know in economic integration. very little competition between russia and china actually there working together that is a world historic event in itself and it actually happened in the 1990 s. remarkably under boris yeltsin this is what the u.s. and its allies fear most is the integration of the of the part of the world in the popular population of where there is the essential what is growing the global economy this is what they want to push back against go ahead and london yes this is exactly what we preach i mean he joined the. antique economic integration of you

regime as you correctly say this is what china's belgian road project is principally about how we see discussions about uniting about unifying that with a regime economic community which the russians have built we see rota being built we see railway lines not been discussed we've seen massive pipelines that are now coming into really soon coming into action transporting russian gas and oil to china we see talk about joint ventures to develop the arctic and the vast arctic reserves of gas and oil that the russians have we see talk between the russians and the chinese to uniquely unify their e-commerce systems and china is very advanced in that field and russia much less so but we see that happening we see discussions about with between the russians and the chinese to develop joint aircraft projects

they will be co-hosting the max 2019 air show in moscow i mean this is a gigantic enterprise and if i can just say something about some of the themes that were discussed in the 1st segment really interesting comments about d.-day but here we see the western allies looking backwards exactly one team 44 under chinese and the russians looking for it into the 21st century the contrast could not be great and they mean to stay with alexander macarius in london i think also with this. belton road initiative i think what also the west is wary of is that it's the demonstration effect or nothing succeeds like success because we have countries like italy for example getting involved in this initiative in certain sectors if this takes off and. those come to fruition it will have

a demonstration effect and erode what. the remaining western institutions like they have a form of germany this is what they fear they fear a success go ahead before i go to. absolutely that's exactly what they're afraid of i really look at this gigantic you regime economic and political system that is being created and we should talk about a system rather than an alarming answer because i entirely indorse the view that this is not directed against anyone exactly west westerners lesson to see this and it means that they are no longer west is no longer at the center of the economic and political universe as it has been in fact potentially eurasia would outmatch them in economic resources now an intelligent policy would be to

partner with it to join in with a long way instead of what what they're trying to do is they're trying to obstruct it but with every step they take to obstruct it they increase the inputs both by the chinese and the russians exactly you will see it because what the russians and the chinese have found is that they can trust each other and work well together they can't do so to the same extent when the united states or with its european allies in the west anymore they have a very good point considering what the european union did to ukraine in 2014 gamer a lot of critics of us here you know a lot of critics say that china russia is getting involved in a relationship with you know we can find alliance where you know partner whatever ok but the kind of working with china the way they are the russia will inevitably be the junior partner how do we have to have a well there was such. danger of the west is liquidity and this danger by its own

actions in most regionally these so-called yusuke wrought was very much supported by zbigniew brzezinski because what later became belton rolled initiative was supposed to waltz through the central asian republics former central asian republics of the soviet union to the caspian and then via the sols called the still europe. look what happened suddenly china saw that the united states and the west in general each of the source of instability they started to trade war the technology of war with wade was not china who started this confrontation china try to make peace and few observers note of this. after his meeting with putin he goes to be here goes to do sean bear their capitals of the central asian republics very smart all the shah very strategic relations get organization meeting i advise our viewers gold to the documents go to the

resolutions of shanghai cooperation organization c.s.t. or extra security treaty organization and compare them to there is allusions of nato from nato it's all of us with threatened russia is a threat chinese a threat ali alliance is facing enormous external pressures see it still or shanghai cooperation organization were not directed against any country where fighting terrorism fighting extremism we cooperate none of us is the big brother none of us is the biggest of on it's only the western press that says china is the biggest russia is the biggest one and and look at their economic results you know basically china is no reorienting its its trade routes to russia because russia is a reliable partner unlike their allies over the united states it will not go. away

it will not for example for the u.s. for the u.s. sanctions against iran as their european countries basically deity and or despite all the red cross in their european union than anybody else their approach absolutely. from the chinese side it's a very pragmatic racial approach if we're treated like that in such a costello way by the united states if you is spying less then russia and eurasian union they are the truly reliable partners let me go back to london now alexander only again i think the way that the united states and its in the washington consensus let's put it that way they seem to want to create a 0 sum world you're either with us or against us and essentially having 2. 2 mega civilizations the west in the in the in the chinese world in its orbit here i think that's what they're driving and they're trying to make countries side with

one another which would be well counter productive instead of looking for a compromise and trying to find our mutual interests it is actually looking for confrontation it's either us or them go ahead in life that is exactly what the united states does it looks at every single development around the world we which it is not directly involved and it sees a threat and if the united states wants to create a situation where the chinese and the russians both start to see the united states versus really that he's exactly what the united states will achieve by treating them in that way now the chinese and the russians have both repeatedly gone to extraordinary lengths to try to reassure the united states that they own.

not adverse to resent the united states seizing pink went to beat it donald trump's soon after don trump was elected the chinese are very very successful trading relationship with the united states just as marcus padley job was said the russians in the case of the russians mr putin to the annoyance of many will still mean 1st of the americans as our partners they still don't want good relations with the united states it is the united states which 1st insisted on imposing this unique polar conception on the world and is now on that are seeing is trying to shape it into a bipolar one presumably in order to enforce strict to block discipline upon those countries which it continues to call its arms you know to me said something to expand upon it i mean when i asked to russia become

a junior partner in this parlay here and i think you know what you should kind of reiterate and i think it's really hitting the nail on the head is that there is a trust there's a chinese russia trust right there where there is trust in this relationship there is a lack of trust where when the chinese look at the united states when russia looks at the united states and its allies there's an enormous amount of distrust because words and actions are never matched to hardly ever managed trade in business very rarely you have doing here and senior partners because both partners are necessary for each other your sale and something to another person or another company he is asked necessary to your as you are to kill rape so that kind of relationship does not presuppose you know or seniority with the west it's a different story because we're kind of the 3rd to tell you terry is and we've had quite minister then it has and we've had lots of the village there in years now would have been integral to tearing as in the west it's very fine you went. call

china and the authoritarian state. put him in jail. simply because she talked to some people in the republican party you know even the. girl and she just you know basically try to implant some american political culture in russia you know namely. i don't remember exactly the same story with. piskorski in poland who spent 3 years in jail without trial you know or on the charge of influencing poor british public opinion in the ways useful for russia that's now a terrible crime you know important so the west has slowly become to tell it there in and into to tell instruments you have to make an entire program on that one sentence that we've run out of time here i want to thank i was going to be curious in london for joining us that's all the time we have many thanks to my guests here in moscow and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t.

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