clinton which is extraordinary indeed i said. you know i have former your concern burning me are you guinea roy's woman working for me at the reuse lesion that i was and he was had a city with drugs foundation it and he is as tough on drug dealers as a man can be back in what way it was he started telling its evil disease doesn't on some group of 6 you know. drugs he hates the drug dealers always sides with police about in this particular case he told me he doesn't then i realised something's wrong again i think many people are like that which of people who drugs or cover the fight against through ugs they realised something was wrong indeed it is clear that there was a massive abuse of legal process in case of a mongolian else ever asked it was denied immediate access to his attorney he had bodily injuries on a lot and information about his case shared with mass media was not always true to

the fact in one of your interviews you mentioned meeting with some of the senior ranks in the police what do they say involve these breaches of procedure if you. look i did talk to the chief moscow police general but you know i asked him could you please explain to me that i arrived in moscow on the night train and i met with him the next morning i asked him could you please explain the situation to me and maybe i don't know something maybe i don't think. so i started talking to him and it was you know i realized that he didn't have answers to my questions when he started calling his subordinates phone we had as a clerk one thing after another so the moscow police she got was not food where this situation based on my conversation with general public is so i told him could i please talk i. want to get it working on this case i don't want to meddle but i have to understand what's going. i want to show the words lately holes are released

that's my work as a journalist and i did talk to some of the detectives and i didn't talk a log because that's when they moved the van to a hospital and i went there and you know and what was there. but i think well detectives told me it was all right though i doubt they told me we're fighting drugs we don't have to be sorry moneys with drug dealers so it's ok when i does see. when i talk to general boron of though he couldn't answer my questions and it was very obvious you know you asked me whether i had other context when i was in sync with his words were i saw prosecutor general cheika they are and i knew that something was wrong with the case so immediately and i wrote a letter i asked him to personally oversee this matter you know and i gave this letter to prosecutor general i gave it to his aides he took the letter and they

took it will see him. and i know you will probably be prosecutor general's office will oversee this matter i don't want to meddle in the investigation i'm just asking questions you know that's what journalists do. would release no was that's what the odds are not as well as a journalist and we do expect that from the police and high degree of accuracy when in town when the information is not what i was i was shocked to hear some of the statements made by senior criminal intelligence detective dennis going to holler found that showed us in particular that you handle enough allegedly had drugs in his system and now we all know that it was a false alarm that his tests came clean when you know it was quite a bold lie to make. this particular the tax he was employee of the year in 2018 would simple price what would be in order to do to assure the public that such detectives as mr kind of all of these they are not typical let alone the best not employees into drug police. it started this way but i feel.

like it's a weird situation i agree i did not talk to detective i may talk to humiliate or at least i asked on pneumococcal was because i could talk to him he couldn't say such a thing because there was no test like a detective and you have to. write what do you couldn't say that well that's the problem but i so i want to ask you jenny is did you say that if it's you and that has this been recorded that that was not it can be true because if we want to find out whether a person that has taken drugs we need to run a test and it takes some time but i think that an experienced detective will never say that especially if he's the best by the way by the way it is still here's an interesting thing about. when i talked to his colleagues and up with 2 others they confirmed that he was a top never know with the news so it doesn't it because on the one hand you have more. on the other hand there is this obvious mistake so

you need to examine this situation investigation has to continue even if even go no busily or job of any release and i hope he's released because at this point there is no evidence nothing no reason to believe him behind bars the investigation though has to. look to see where their evidence but it would have been planted whether it was an accident or this was a premium it's a good deal somebody did that and we saw think investigation has to continue investigations they have seen to this investigation at the not investigation against him to the bunnies or danis at the investigation has to continue and the perpetrators have to be identified and punishment police officers in this case have to be either punish or cleared every police officer from the moscow police chief to the lowest ranking investigator in your in. views you keep reminding everyone that

the investigations that should be guided by the innocent until proven guilty over and simple which is a foundational principle of the russian justice system and then it seems to me that this principle requires the investigation to concede there are at the very least a probability of some of the police being criminally involved in this case that would show a proper degree of impartiality but do you think it's possible what the police actually see this through or get themselves out on the other court the most i mean it's well this is something you have to spiral out of them so little you know every law enforcement agency has an internal affairs unit up at the is right you know which investigates crimes perpetrated by law enforcement professionals that's why we have so many special reason it's getting more police officers you know we're all human. nobody's an angel in new zealand and in every profession you have some

bad apples at that but each case has to be treated as a separate lives and then there's the question of whether this was a crime or a mistake you on the you have to differentiate between the 2 you know how this question why did they grab a van gogh knob on the street a book i think you said a drug dealer you may have to get shimon the act of selling or buying drugs and they told me well he acted weird he had red eyes and he's a face was which i said you whip in minutes upside down the night train my eyes are red in my face it would be so should you arrest. or do you share any other evidence of you have to study all the spirit carefully most of you must see that it's personal always you can say everybody's guilty or of the everybody is innocent but it's always personal additional meaning nonetheless since detective kind of all of that i mentioned earlier was the employee. over the year history of the moses

raises questions it makes the public wonder whether this is how it works maybe just something went wrong yes can i we're talking about some bad apples as in the case of tortures in the guantanamo bay prison or it's something that happens all the time when you have kept an eye on the russian law enforcement for quite a while but what does your got to tell us i mean is this exception or the rule. well when they break ate up the evidence that's an exception but when they run a cover up to protect their agency that's a rule well because there are different levels here. i can imagine how the boss of the tactical kind of all feels because it just can't and i bet he's thinking like this can be right all kind of all over professionally you also there are always levels there is one person committed the crime and then there are others

involved in the cover up your lack of because they don't believe he could have committed such a thing with each one of them have been going on about what's his name yes and he's boss you have to study what each one of them did she personally your hunch is that i would like to ask you one more question about professional solidary a year ago this same their record that's recently released going off ending trial sentenced an activist a communist party member to 3 years in prison on similar drug charges under very similar circumstances what would you say to those people who accuse journalists at all being biased i mean double standards and stepping up on leave to protect their own so to saying. well this is what is the look of the journalists are always buys and people are biased for example you're asking me about this case and i don't remember it. only medusa. covered this case

a year ago. which means that one of the i well maybe reek of or do too but i don't remember. that i missed it we're talking about more affectionate solidarity and you're right it's so we're talking about journalists you know. so when they see the deal being punished by at them not for something they did the work is professional lessons so that is suddenly you're now there's a professional solidarity and it's a very powerful study but it's the same with woodworkers or police officers will back it up with that's the way it works so whether you like it or not it look at the mystery of an addict and we need to take a short break now we'll be back in just a few moments after a short break. so

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on the alex salmond show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics or business i'm show business i'll see you then. come back to all the parts that i like seem to need to add a change of they have a radio station. morning to the data published by the engine will russia behind bars over the past 15 years of the number of convictions on drug related charges has tripled in russia whereas the overall number of convictions has gone down significantly since you are in contact with the law enforcement officials can you say you want is it so that the crime solving rate is growing space. really put the

drug related crimes in it is that because that's what really happens i may be told about some policy although it looks the crime rate goes up where is the crime detection rate is actually going down over the past 20 years. the drug market at least as far as what i was told by generals and politicians the market which tripled or quadrupled you have synthetic drugs since so on maybe politicians didn't pay enough attention to the problem number one this is a pandemic. endemic in big cities from. the number of transactions keeps growing the crime rate and legs going up and the detection rate. and you have a large number of people. who got involved but i think it's the

accident it's either an accident that or evidence is in favor gated against them because this is a character assassination if i want to destroy you and yet you deny it either say that you hate your children or i will drugs on you if they do a lot of money this will destroy your reputation. that is as i said many of those who support yvonne have made public statements saying that drug charges are against yvonne's character and his professional activity that he would never do anything like this but the russian criminal code does not take into account the defendant's personality characteristics that might all speak to the absence of the motive that i'm aware that's not that's not they don't we open rapes mais on hard evidence in this case the drugs found what do you think it will be enough in of on going off case that's not the same. but were is drug dealing with show me bulls when. did he deal drugs. there's no drug dealing there is no evidence no material

evidence that he had left something on his own and. so he didn't use the drugs he didn't take drugs what more than that if i understand it correctly his fingerprints were not found the way i'm right up each other and you know even get prints let's wait for the d.n.a. test no other point there is nothing yet there's no facts you will let alone motive your motive is always to get treated short to use drugs but no other motive but father is no fact as with no fact will be drug dealing which at the end now they will have to prove this not only to put out in the but also to the public opinion but so if you want to write some but some and that's you know muskoka always spearfish clear right when she says that it has to be perfectly transparent goes and we all have to see have it in that it did happen at this point there's nothing that's a nice allow me one more question as i believe you are an expert on this that on

the speaking no these things in general that this simplified version of the proof procedure has become possible in particular for cases that hold on to the article 2288 of the criminal code at least partially thanks to the fact that this illegal drug trafficking and whole drug related crimes have been acknowledged a bigger threat to the public safety than corruption which is something that yvonne and his supporters are accusing the police at that beer is it fair do you think it's a fair price that at this point of time in contemporary russia is that drug related crimes are and much bigger threat to the security of the nation than the corruption crimes duty of your sleep at the moment but how do you measure would oppose is greater threat. but you're right about one thing people do want tougher punishment for drug dealers but then for corrupt officials. because at the butt. you might see

corruption that's just the environment we live in where is drugs like i said we all have children not what's good and we are afraid for our children that's why we want tougher punishment for people dealing drugs with the ill to our children even though we have them yet at the same time just like you sad many activists and professionals who say that many have been convicted unfairly and they have children to write the same could happen to each and every one of us and it goes without saying that the public would rather have the enforcement agencies they can trust. in the right let the money issue for the needle well but that's the problem you see you always have to choose between one thread and another thread you must so this intolerance to drug dealing with little slips of office if you look at this is what on the mall was believed to adopt this simplified procedure this may be wrong but

some people support that you know it was one a couple of said let's go back to my example of you guinea arroyo's women were good but that is people criticized him for mistreating those drug dealers at the chaining them to eaters people love that people supported that for the elected. mayor of yes but you're in bergen this was all after all those accusations. of people who loved him there was a lot of that he was really tough on drug dealers but now in the case of a bun go no we see the other side of the metal water which everyone now simplified procedure can be used to accuse any person for stealing drugs so people should consider that maybe the time has come for us to reconsider and change of this procedure. and that is up with many in the west to see russia as a state of rigid talk for a sane one. centralized war and vertical policymaking practices do you think that

tuckerman may have anything to do with a bomb going off case the myth of what do you mean yet could you know it was google did not with the what's up with arrange this whole situation. i know i can do yes please but i know that your president putin was very interested in the celestial report you know my your stuff human rights ombudsman general a little moscow. to the president at the upper well it was a special report you don't often have that was all the kremlin monitors this situation would you see people protesting because of the goal no case thousands of people some people of all sorts of political views i mean you have journalists. in russia today network student boston it's not signing the same position and we don't see ourselves as opposing sides well i mean that we have all sorts of people the

whole range of people of all sorts of political with an ethical views subscribing to the same declaration you know i remember one situation where we were together and put in said if you have never been lol sorts of people with dave benedict there was less of the supporting this this must be a right. across that in your view of the lukewarm or how far do you think this intolerance might go because one of the most recent investigations my upon go enough was into the funeral business at the pound there are some indications that the son of the internal affairs minister might have a share in it and you're saying that the kremlin is keeping an eye on this investigation do you believe that's a crime and is interested enough in letting it run its full course deal despite of all possible involvements whether on personal or institutional levels and that and how it might affect the reputations of some people or a. agencies if they don't think that overwhelms the alleged i have to tell you you

have been misinformed in the van gogh in no case there are no children of ministers involved in the maybe what we have there is a large criminal business and neither the minister nor the mayor can do anything about it or this business has been going on for a very long time for 18 years so at least in moscow you know at the moment and this is why yvonne and the people in the mayor's office who helped him with his investigation the reason why they were so brave you have a lot of people being killed was in this business it's like sicily and distributed as a criminal business it's like in the movies and he's the clock with the fans i bet and you since you're out with people like minister call a call 7 mayor sabbaton and unable to do anything about it this means there are some very high ranking people on the other side you know helping those from an else

and this situation will move with a van gogh nog the arrest of a bomb going off this is what caught the brown one's attention at the so i think now that you have the streisand effect now the kremlin really wants to see what's going on with this business of who else is involved there i'm sure the president puts it has instructed us to use aides and to look into this matter if you. it's russia beats all other major powers in terms of the police force numbers per capita of the civil population the government to realize a lot on the police if i russian police has been reformed more than once i get on the last the legal culture in the russian police force and i've had enough leaves much to be desired to be honest as a mongo enough's case clearly has shown us how congress since you have been following these reforms closely why do you think these initiatives keep rambling or even

a question we both 1st of all there are too many different agencies and they overlap overlap in their incompetence is jers dictions hole at the revenue wells and interests that something different at that that's apart from their professional duty is so that's the 1st reason in our respect the efforts by a minister called called sell it he tries to reform the system but rushes the federation. and yet the few doubts that within each province you have special interest groups special rules are causally lustration doesn't worry a little as we know from experience is i takes a lot of africa a lot of consideration allays you can do it overnight help with that there was an attempt to set up a separate legalese force for drugs we had ordered the. agency of and i know that there are still arguing in the kremlin whether it was the right

decision to pull a bill or shut it down with it but this agency maybe we should have something like what they have in the us the drug enforcement agency the jury's still out on slips the problem is that the crumlin doesn't have a clear concept called believes should work and all but they have different opinions and it's nice to have different opinions in a democracy but when you talk about law enforcement. so you want to have a delirious system in that and the last question it has happened in russia that massive changes over there have been brought about by some tragic events i'm sure you remember they case of private situ regarding hazing in the army right and i'd like to remind you that the problem has been solved that's almost entirely because of soldiers' mothers this each of case stood up and what the defense minister and i told the syria did that there is almost no hazing now they were many cases like

that for instance the case of admiral openness unka upon which helped ease the pain killer rules for cancer patients and the right do you think yvonne golan knox case may bring about massive changes to the i think you're right at all and unless people forget about this case by the end of the news cycle i think the go in of case will provide us with an opportunity to reconsider their rules for investigating drug related crimes and to think once again about setting a separate drug enforcement agency to mr van and victor thank you very much for your time i might have you are sticking to this conversation going in our social media pages and hope to see you again same place same time here and all that part. of.

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