wrong again i think many people are like that which of people who would fight drugs or cover the fight against true ugs they realized something was wrong indeed it is clear that there was a massive abuse of legal process in case of a mongolian else ever asked as it was denied immediate access to his attorney he had bodily injuries on a lot and information about his case shared with mass media was not always true to the fact in one of your interviews you mentioned meeting with some of the senior ranks in the police what do they say about these breaches of procedure if you. look i did talk that according to the chief moscow police general but you know i asked him could you please explain to me of that i arrived in moscow on the night train and i met with him the next morning i asked him could you please explain this situation to me and maybe i don't know something maybe i don't understand the out so i started talking to him and it was you know i realized that he didn't have answers to my questions so when he started calling his subordinates

phone we had to clarify one thing after another so the moscow police she got was not food aware of this situation based on my conversation with general and everybody so i told him could i please talk as you. know when you're working on this case i don't want to meddle but i have to understand what's going on is that i want to show the words lately holes are. that's my work as a journalist and i did talk to some of the detectives and i didn't talk a log because that's when they moved to a hospital and i went there and you know and what was there. i think well detectives told me it was all right they told me we're fighting drugs we don't have to be sorry moneys with drug dealers so it's ok when i does see. when i talk to general boron of though he couldn't answer my questions and it was very obvious you know us. me were there ahead of other contexts when i was in sync

because we're really i saw prosecutor general cheika they are and i knew that something was wrong with the case so immediately and i wrote a letter i asked him to personally oversee this matter you know and i gave this letter to prosecutor general gave it to his aides and they took the letter and they took it will see him. and i know you will probably be prosecutor general's office will oversee this matter i don't want to meddle in the investigation i'm just asking questions you know that's what journalists do. would release no was that's what the odds are not as well as a journalist and we do expect that from the police and high degree of accuracy when in town when the information is not what i was i was shocked to hear some of the statements made by senior criminal intelligence detective dennis going to hollar found that showed us in particular that you can go in off allegedly had drugs in his system and now we all know that it was

a false alarm that his tests came clean when you know it was quite a bold lie to make me ill and yet this particular the taxi was employee of the year in 2018 would simple press what would be in order to do to assure the public that such detectives as mr kind of all of these they are not typical let alone the bassinet employees in the dark police force and started to slip i feel. look at this sort of like it's a weird situation i agree i did not talk to detective kind of all of i may talk to humiliate or at least i asked on pneumococcal was good i could talk to him he couldn't see such a thing because there was no test like a detective and you have to. write what do you couldn't say that well that's the problem but i so i want to ask you denise did you say that if it's your letter has this been recorded that was not it can be true because if we want to find out whether a person that has taken drugs we need to read. test and it takes some time but i

think that an experienced detective will never say that especially if he's the best by the way by the way it is still here's an interesting thing about him. when i talk to his colleagues in the book too if they confirm that he was a top never know so he doesn't it because on the one hand you have more. top professional on the other hand there is this obvious mistake so you need to examine the situation investigation has to continue even if even go no it is cleared about and released and i hope he's released because at this point there is no evidence nothing no reason to believe him behind bars the investigation though has to. look to see where their evidence but it would have been planted whether it was an accident or this was a premium it's a good deal somebody did that and we saw think investigation has to continue investigations that have been through this investigation at the not investigation

against you the bunny's or denise the investigation has to continue and the perpetrators have to be identified and punishment police officers in this case have to be either punished or cleared every police officer from the moscow police chief to the lowest ranking investigator in your interviews you keep reminding everyone that the investigations that should be guided by the innocent until proven guilty over and simple which is a foundational principle of the russian justice system and then seems to me that this principle requires the investigation to concede there are at the very least a probability of some of the police being criminally involved in this case that would show a proper degree of impartiality but do you think it's possible what the police actually see this through or get themselves out on the other court the most i mean it's well this is something you have to. you know every law enforcement agency has

an internal affairs unit up at the is right which investigates crimes perpetrated by law enforcement professionals that's why we have so many special reason it's getting more police officers you know we're all human. nobody's an angel in new zealand and in every profession you have some bad apples but each case has to be treated or separately and then there is the question of whether this was a crime or a mistake you on the go you have to differentiate between the 2 you know i have this question why did they grab a van gogh a knob on the street a book i think you said a drug dealer you may have to get him in the act of selling or buying drugs and they told me well he acted weird he had red eyes and he's a swan which i said you know when minutes upside down the night train my eyes are red in my face. bay so should you arrest. or do you share any other

evidence the film of that is bit of you have to study all the theory carefully but most of you must see that it's personal always so you can say everybody is guilty or the everybody is innocent but it's always personal additional meaning nonetheless since detective kind of all of i mentioned earlier was the employee of the year his the other was this raises questions it makes the public wonder yes and whether this is how it works maybe just something went wrong and yes can i we're talking about some bad apples as in the case of tortures in the guantanamo bay prison or it's something that happens all the time when you have kept an eye on the russian law enforcement for quite a while what does your got to tell us i mean is this exception for the rule. well when they break ate up of evidence that cynics oppress but when they run a cover. to protect their agency that's

a rule well because there are different levels here. i can imagine how the boss of the tactical kind of all feels because it just can't and i bet he is thinking like this can be right all kind of all over professionally you also there are always levels there is one person committed the crime and then there are others involved in the cover up the lack of because they don't believe he could have committed such a thing would so with each one of them have been going on about is what's his name yes and he's boss you have to study what each one of them did she personally your hunch is that i would like to ask you one more question about professional solidary a year ago this same their record that's recently released going off ending trial sentenced an activist a communist party member to 3 years in prison on similar dropped charges under a very similar circumstances what would you say to those people who accuse

journalists being biased i mean double standards and stepping up only to protect their own so to saying. well this is what is the look of the journalists are always buys and people are biased for example you're asking me about this case and i don't remember it. only medusa covered this case a year ago which means that while yeah well maybe reek of or 2 but i don't remember . in the midst of it we're talking about more affectional solidarity you're right it's so we're talking about journalists you know. so when they see the deal being punished by at the not for something he did but of the work he is professional lessons of it is subtle and you know how this is professional solidarity and it's a very powerful study but it's the same with the workers or police officers will back it up with that's the way to work so whether you like it or not it. mr

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of on the get a moment. we'll put on the political rant on the. phone does it for the young to have to find out why the almost i'm going against the doesn't on other kind of unknown doesn't mean let's see in the in the polling if and if one swung the smiting position. on doesn't dunce with all the faults and that's what you call. me. welcome back to worlds apart but i like c.v. need to accept editor in chief of the moscow radio station. morning to the data published by. and jail russia behind bars over the past 15 years of the number of

convictions on drug related charges has tripled in russia whereas the overall number of convictions has gone down significantly faster since you are in contact with the law enforcement officials can you say you want is it so that the crime solving rate is growing specifically for the drug related crimes unit is that because that's what really happens i may be told about some policy well that is it looks the crime rate goes up where is the crime detection rate is actually going down over the past 20 years. the drug market at least as far as what i was told by generals and politicians the market which tripled or quadrupled you have synthetic drugs since so on maybe politicians didn't pay enough attention to the problem number one this is

a pandemic. endemic in big cities from. the number of transactions keeps growing the crime rate and it's going up and the detection rate. and you have a large number of people. who got involved but i think it's an accident that it's either an accident that or evidence is in favor gated against them because this is a character assassination if i want to destroy you and yet you deny it either say that you beat your children or i will drugs don't use it if you lot of money this will destroy your reputation. that is as i said many of those who support yvonne have made public statements saying that drug charges are against iran's character and his professional activity that he would never do anything like this but the russian criminal code does not take into account is the do. sentence personality

characteristics that might all speak to the absence of the motive that i'm aware that's not the same they don't we open rates based on hard evidence in this case the drugs found what do you think it will be enough of on going off case. but were is a drug dealing show me when did he deal drugs. i should there's no drug dealing there is no evidence no material evidence that he had something on his own and. so he didn't have drugs he didn't take drugs what more than that if i understand it correctly his fingerprints were not found. each other and know of in good prints let's wait for the d.n.a. test not at this point there is nothing new there is no facts you will let alone motive your motive is always to get treated short of used drugs like no other motive but father is no facts no fact will be drug dealing with and now they will

have to prove this not only to have enough but also to the public opinion so if you meant to write some but some and that's you know muskoka always spearfish clear right when she says that it has to be perfectly transparent goes and we all have to see to have it in that it did happen at this point there is nothing left in these allow me one more question as i believe you are an expert on this that on the speaking of these things in general this simplified version of the proof procedure has become possible in particular for cases that hold on to the article 2288 of the criminal code at least partially thanks to the fact that the illegal drug trafficking and whole drug related crimes have been acknowledged a bigger threat to the public safety than corruption which is something that yvonne and his supporters are accusing the police at that is it fair do you think it's a fair price that at this point of time in contemporary russia. drug related crime . an hour and much bigger threat to the security of the nation than the corruption

crimes we didn't even sleep at the remember but how do you measure would pose as great a threat. but you're right about one thing people do want tougher punishment for drug dealers then for corrupt officials. because at the but you might see corruption that's just lean barn meant we'll live in where is drugs like i said we all have children and that what's good and we are afraid for our children that's why we want tougher punishment for people dealing drugs with the to our children even though we have them yet at the same time just like you sad many activists and professionals who say that many have been convicted unfairly on and they have children to write the same could happen to each and every one of us and it goes without saying that the public would rather have the in foresman agencies they can

trust. in the right let them the issue of the free needle well but that's the problem you see you always have to choose between one thread and in another thread you must so this intolerance to drug dealing with little slips of walks if you look at this is what on the what cause i believe those who adopt this simplified procedure to do this may be wrong but some people support that you know it was when a couple of said let's go back to my example of you guinea arroyo's women were good but that is people criticized him for mistreating those drug dealers chaining them to. people loved that people supported that of pre-election he knew that the mayor of yet you're in bergen this was all after all those accusations. of people who loved him there was a lot of that he was really tough on drug dealers but now in the case of a bun go. and we see the other side of the metal water which every now simplified

procedure can be used to accuse any person for dealing drugs so people should consider that maybe the time has come for us to reconsider and change of this procedure. and mess up with many in the west see russia as a state of rigid talk or a sane with centralized power and vertical policy making practices do you think that tuckerman may have anything to do with a bomb going off case the myth of what do you mean yet could have no goal did not get the what drop of a range this whole situation. i know i can do yes but what i know that your president putin was very interested in the celestial report it all my your stuff human rights ombudsman general of moscow. to the president at the upper well it was a special report you don't often have that was all the kremlin monitors this

situation would you see people protesting because of the goal no case thousands of people some people of all sorts of political views you have journalists. in russia today not words to the boston it's not signing the same petition away don't see ourselves as opposing sides well i mean that we have all sorts of people the whole range people of all sorts of political with an ethical views only subscribing to the same declaration you know i remember one situation where we were together and put in said idea if you have the will be lol sorts of people every day of the benedict of life at the supporting this this must be a right. across that in your view of the lukewarm or how far do you think this intolerance might go because one of the most recent investigations my upon call enough was into the funeral business at the pound there are some indications that the son of. internal affairs minister might have

a share in it and you're saying that the kremlin is keeping an eye on this investigation do you believe that the kremlin is interested enough in letting it run its full course a deal despite of all possible involvements whether on personal or institutional levels and that and how it might affect the reputations of some people or agencies if they don't think that overwhelms the alleged role i have to tell you you have been misinformed in the van gogh in no case there are no children of ministers involved in the what we have there is a large criminal business and neither the minister nor the mayor can do anything. or this business has been going on for a very long time for 18 years so at least in moscow you know. and this is why you've gone and the people in the mayor's office who helped him with his investigation the reason why they were so brave you have

a lot of people being killed was in this business it's like sicily and distributed as a criminal business it's like in the movies when you stop clock oneself and i bet and you since you're out with people like minister call a call 7 mayor sabbaton and unable to do anything about it this means there are some very high ranking people on the other side you know helping those who from an else and this situation will move with a van gogh nobody arrest of a bundle no this is what caught the brahmans attention it was the so i think now that you have the streisand effect now the kremlin really wants to see what's going on with this business of who else is involved there at all so i'm sure that president putin has instructed us to use aides to look into this matter as he's. it's russia beats all other major powers in terms of the police force numbers per capita of the civil population the government to realize

a lot on the police if i russian police has been reformed more than once i get on the last the legal culture in the russian police force and i've had enough leaves much to be desired to be honest as a mongo enough's case clearly has shown us how congress since you have been following these reforms closely why do you think these initiatives keep family or even a question well 1st of all there are too many different agencies and they overlap overlap in their incompetence is jers dictions hole at the revenue well down the interests that something different at that sets apart from their professional duty is so that's the 1st reason and i respect the efforts by a minister called called so that he tries to reform the system but rushes the federation. and the few doubts that within each province you have special interest groups special rules and you are causally lustration doesn't worry as we know from

experience he's not exactly a lot of africa a lot of consideration relates that you can do it overnight locked up with those that there was an attempt to set up separately police force for drugs a lot of we had ordered the. agency i have and i know that there are still arguing in the kremlin whether it was the right decision to shut it down there but this agency maybe we should have something like what they have in the us the drug enforcement agency the jury's still out on slips the problem is that the crumlin doesn't have a clear concept called believes should work at all but they have different opinions and it's nice to have different opinions in a democracy but when you talk about law enforcement. you want to have a delirious system in that and the last question it has happened to in russia that massive changes over there have been brought about by some tragic events i'm sure

you remember they case of private situ regarding hazing in the army right and i'd like to remind you that the problem has been solved that's almost entirely because of soldiers mothers this he stood up and what the defense minister told the series do did that there is almost no hazing no they were many cases like that for instance the case of admiral up on nasa upon which helped ease the pain killer rules for cancer patients and the right do you think yvonne gall a novice case may bring about massive changes to the i think you're right well and unless people forget about this case by the end of the news cycle i think the go enough case will provide us with an opportunity to reconsider their rules for investigating drug related crimes and to think once again about setting a separate drug enforcement agency mr venediktov thank you very much for your time

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