he told me he doesn't then i realized something's wrong again i think many people are like that which of people who drugs or cover the fight against true ugs they realized something was wrong indeed it is clear that there was a massive abuse of legal process in case of a mongolian else ever asked he was denied immediate access to his attorney he had bodily injuries are a lot and information about his case shared with mass media was not always true to the fact in one of your interviews you mentioned meeting with some of the senior ranks in the police what do they say evolved these breaches of procedure. i did talk that according to the chief moscow police general. i asked him could you please explain to me that i arrived in moscow on the night train and i met with him the next morning i asked him could you please explain the situation to me and maybe i don't know something maybe i don't understand the out so i started talking to him and it was you know i realize that you didn't have

answers to my questions when he started calling his subordinates phone we had as a clerk one thing after another so the moscow police chief it was not food where this situation based on my conversation with general and everybody so i told him could i please talk to. one of the ideas working on this case i don't want to meddle but i have to understand what's going on is that i want to show the words lately holes are. that's my work as a journalist and i did talk to some of the detectives and i didn't talk a log because that's when they moved to a hospital and i went there and you know and what was there. i think well detectives told me it was all right or daddy told me we're fighting drugs we don't have to be sorry money is with drug dealers so it's ok when i does see. when i talk to general boron of though he wouldn't answer my. and it was very

obvious you know us and me were there ahead of other contexts when i was in sync with his words were i saw prosecutor general cheika they are and i knew that something was wrong with the case so immediately and i wrote a letter i asked him to personally oversee this matter you know and i gave this letter to prosecutor general give it to his aides he took the letter and they took it will see him. and i know you will probably be prosecutor general's office will oversee this matter i don't want to meddle in the investigation i'm just asking questions you know that's what journalists do. would release no was that's what the odds are not as well as a journalist and we do expect that from the police and high degree of accuracy when it's handling the information that is not what i said i was shocked to hear some of the statements made by senior criminal intelligence detective dennis going to mahler found that showed us in particular that you handle enough allegedly had

drugs in his system and now we all know that it was a false alarm that his tests came clean when you know it was quite a bold lie to make me ill and yet this particular the tax he was employee of the year in 2018 would simple price what it would be in order to do to assure the public that such detectives as mr kind of all of these they are not typical let alone the bassinet employees in the drug police force and started to slip i feel. look at this sort of. like it's a weird situation i agree i did not talk to detective con about the i may talk to humiliate or at least i asked on pneumococcal was because i could talk to him he couldn't say such a thing because there was no test like a detective and you have to support and came out right what do you couldn't say that well that's the problem but i so i want to ask you jenny is did you say that was a fix as this been recorded that will let it get to be true because that if we were . and to find out whether a person that has taken drugs we need to run

a test and it takes some time but i think that an experienced detective will never say that especially if he's the best and by the way by the way i think still here's an interesting thing about him. when i talk to his colleagues in the particulars they confirmed that he was a top never 1st know so he doesn't it because on the one hand you have more. on the other hand there is this obvious mistake so you need to examine the situation investigation has to continue even if even go no it is all cleared above and are released and i hope he is released because at this point there is no evidence nothing no reason to leave him behind bars the investigation though has to . look to see where their evidence but it would have been planted or whether it was an accident or this was a premium it's a good deal somebody did that and we saw think investigation has to continue

investigations they have seen to this investigation at the not investigation into the bunnies or danis the investigation has to continue and the perpetrators have to be identified and punishment police officers in this case have to be either punished or cleared every police officer from the moscow police chief to the lowest ranking investigator in your interviews you keep reminding everyone that the investigation that should be guided by the innocent until proven guilty over and simple which is a foundational principle of the russian justice system and then seems to me that this principle requires the investigation to concede there are at the very least a probability of some of the police being criminally involved in this case that would show a proper degree of impartiality but do you think it's possible what the police actually see this through or get themselves. look at the most i mean well this is

something you have to spy or it's. you know every law enforcement agency has an internal affairs unit up at the is right you know which investigates crimes perpetrated by law enforcement professionals that's why we have so many special reason it's getting more police officers you know we're all human. nobody's an angel in new zealand and in every profession you have some bad apples but each case has to be treated or separately and then there is the question of whether this was a crime or a mistake you on the you have to differentiate between the 2 you know i have this question why did they grab a van gaal a knob on the street you look up if you say a drug dealer you may have to get seem in the act of selling or buying drugs and they told me well he acted weird he had red eyes and he's a face was which i said you know when a minute car arrived on the night train my eyes are red in my. brain so should

you arrest. or do you share any other evidence of you have to study all the spirit carefully most of you must see that it's personal always so you can say everybody's guilty or of that everybody is innocent but it's always personal. nonetheless since detective kind of all of that i mentioned earlier was the employee of the year k.c. otherwise this raises questions it makes the public wonder yes and whether this is how it works maybe just something went wrong and yes can i we're talking about some bad apples as in the case of tortures in the guantanamo bay prison or it's something that happens all the time when you have kept an eye on the russian law enforcement for quite a while but what does your got to tell us i mean is this exception for the rule that the. well when they break 8 of the evidence was. that's an

exception but when they run a cover up to protect their agency that's a rule well because there are different levels here. i can imagine how the boss tactic kind of all feels because it just can't and i bet he's thinking like this can be right all kind of all over professionally you also there are always levels there is one person committed the crime and then there are others involved in the cover up the lack of because they don't believe he could have committed such a thing so with each one of them have been going on about it is what's his name yes and he's boss you have to study what each one of them did she personally your hunch is that i would like to ask you one more question about professional solidary a year ago this same their record that's recently released going off the pending trial sentenced an activist a communist party member to 3 years in prison on similar dropped charges and a very similar circumstances what would you say to those people who accuse

journalists being biased i mean double standards and stepping up only to protect their own so to saying. well this is what is the look of who journalists are always buys and people are biased for example you're asking me about this case and i don't remember it. only medusa covered this case a year ago which means that well yeah well maybe reek of or 2 but i don't remember . that i missed it we're talking about more affectional solidarity and you're right it's so we're talking about journalists you know. so when they see the deal being punished by at the not for something he did the work is professional lessons it is suddenly you know how this is professional solidarity and it's a very powerful study but it's the same with the workers or police officer.

well that's the way it works whether you like it or not it's a mystery of an addict we need to take a short break now we will be back in just a few moments after a short break. what politicians do. they put themselves on the line they get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. somehow wanted. to go right to be for us it's like them before 3 in the morning can't be good. i'm interested in the waters in the. u.s. should. we send a high level controversy surrounding you to clearly demonstrate the online universe

and freedom of speech are not on the same page the plot from says it wants to ban extremism it is probably fair to say most would agree on this the problem is how you tube defines this concept. quantitative easing for q.e. 4 is now well under way can't taper a ponzi scheme no economics matters only money printing and stock manipulation. 2017 the german newspaper developed published an article claiming that the european union the last 30000000000 euros as a result of its a very anti russian sanctions. particularly affected eastern. many polish fellows went broke and they committed suicide.

sometimes i can't recall that i was i was of on a good time i'm a political animal but on the political front on the. national. the young victim did have to find out why the office i'm going to doesn't have as a kind of unknown doesn't in let's say in the in the porn. song the smiths. and does that's what all the folks and that's what you call. welcome back to all the parts that i like seem to need to accept any change they

have a radio station. morning to the data published by the engine will rush i'm behind bars over the past 15 years of the number of convictions on drug related charges has tripled in russia whereas the overall number of convictions has gone down significantly since you are in contact with the law enforcement officials can you say you want is it so that the crime solving rate is growing specifically for the drug related crimes unit is that because that's what really happens i may be told about some policy well that is it looks the crime rate goes up worries the crime detection rate is actually going down over the past 20 years of the drug market at least as far as what i was told by generals and politicians the market which tripled or quadrupled you have synthetic. drugs and so on maybe

politicians didn't pay enough attention to the problem number one this is a pandemic. endemic in big cities from yet. the number of transactions keeps growing the crime rate and going up and the detection rate. and you have a large number of people. who got involved but i think it's an accident it's either an accident that or evidence is in favor gated against them because this is a character assassination if i want to destroy you and yet you deny it either say that you hate your children or i will drugs don't use it if you lot of this will destroy your reputation. that is as i said many of those who support yvonne have made public statements saying that drug charges are against iran's character and

his professional activity that he would never do anything like this but the russian criminal code does not take into account this the defendant's personal characteristics that not all speak to the absence of the motive that i'm aware that's not that's not they don't we open rates mace on hard evidence in this case the drugs found what do you think it will be enough in of on going off case that's not the same. but were is drug dealing with show me when did he deal drugs. there's no drug dealing there is no evidence no material evidence that he had something on his own and. so he didn't use the drugs he didn't take drugs what more than that if i understand it correctly his fingerprints were not found that way i'm right up each other and you know even get prints let's wait for the d.n.a. test no doubt at this point there is nothing yet there's no facts you will let alone motive your motive is always. drita short to use drugs but ignore the remote

but father is no fact as with the no effect it will be drug dealing which at the end now they will have to prove this not only to put out in the but also to the public opinion but so a human rights ombudsman that agenda muskoka always spearfish clear right when she says that it has to be perfectly transparent goes and we all have to see have it in it it did happen at this point there is nothing left in these allow me one more question as i believe you are an expert on this that on the speaking know these things in general this simplified version of the proof procedure has become possible in particular for cases that pull on to the article 2288 of the criminal code or at least partially thanks to the fact that this illegal drug trafficking and whole drug related crimes have been acknowledged a bigger threat to the public safety than corruption which is something that yvonne and his supporters are accusing the police at that bia is it fair do you think it's

a fair price that at this point of time in contemporary russia. drug related crimes are and much bigger threat to the security of the nation than the corruption crimes duty of your sleep at the remember how do you measure would pose is greater threat . but you're right about one thing people do want tougher punishment for drug dealers but then for corrupt officials. because at the but you might see corruption that's just the environment we live in worries drugs you know like i said we all have children. and we are afraid for our children and that's why we want tougher punishment for people dealing drugs with the to our children when they get them yet at the same time just like you said many activists and professionals who say that many have been convicted unfairly. and they have children to write the same could

happen to each and every one of us and it goes without saying that the public would rather have the enforcement agencies they can trust. in the right what the money issues if they need a will but that's the problem you see you always have to choose between one threat and another threat the most so this intolerance to drug dealing with little slips of hopes it may be a lock at this is what on the mall believed to adopt this simplified procedure this may be wrong but some people support that you know it was one a couple of said let's go back to my example of huge in iraq but that is criticized him for mistreating those drug dealers chaining them to eaters people love that people supported that before the election he had the mayor of yes but you're in bergen this was all after all those accusations. of people who

loved him there was a lot of that he was tough on drug dealers but now in the case of a bun go no we see the other side of the metal water which every now simplified procedure can be used to accuse any person for stealing drugs so people should consider that maybe the time has come for us to reconsider and change or this procedure. is up with many in the west see russia as a state of rigid talk or a sane which centralized power and vertical policy making practice says do you think that tuckerman may have anything to do with a bomb going off case the myth of what do you mean yet could only know it was gold did not with the what drop of a range this whole situation. i know i can do yes but what i know that your president putin was very interested in the celestial report all my your stuff human rights ombudsman general legal moscow because. to the president at the upper oh it

was a special report you don't often have that was on the kremlin monitors this situation but if you see people protesting because of the goal no case thousands of people some people of all sorts of political views i mean you have journalists. and russia today networks to the boston it's not signing the same petition away don't see ourselves as opposing side work well i mean us that we have all sorts of people the whole range people of all sorts of political was that an ethical abuse only subscribing to the same declaration you know i remember one situation where we were together and put in said what idea if you have there will be an old sorts of people with dave benedict of like at the supporting this this must be a write about it because that's in your view of the lukewarm or how far do you think this intolerance might go because one of the most recent investigations might

have on call enough was into the funeral business at the pound there are some indications that that the son of the internal affairs minister might have a share in it and you are saying that the kremlin is keeping an eye on this investigation do you believe that the kremlin is interested enough in letting it run its full course a deal despite of all possible involvements whether on personal or institutional levels and that and how it might affect the reputations of some people or agencies if they feel that's the thing that overwhelms alleged well i have to tell you you have been misinformed in the van gogh no case there are no children of ministers involved in the what we have there is a large criminal business and neither the minister nor the mayor can do anything. or this business has been going on for a very long time for 18 years so at least in ma. you know. and this is why you've

gone and the people in the mayor's office who helped him with his investigation the reason why they were so brave you have a lot of people being killed was in this business it's like sicily and distributed as a criminal business it's like in the movies when you stop like oneself and i bet and you since you're out with people like minister call a call 7 mayor sabbaton and unable to do anything about it this means there are some very high ranking people on the other side you know helping those who from an else and this situation will move with a van gogh nog the arrest of a bungle no this is what caught the attention of the so i think now that you have the streisand effect now the kremlin really wants to see what's going on with this business of who else is involved there at all so i'm sure that president putin has instructed us to use aides to look into this matter as he's. it's russia

beats all other major powers in terms of the police force numbers per capita of the civil population the government to realize a lot on the police if i russian police has been reformed more than once i get on the last the legal culture in the russian police force and i've had enough leaves much to be desired to be honest as a mongo enough's case clearly has shown us how congress since you have been following these reforms closely why do you think these initiatives keep family or even a question well 1st of all there are too many different agencies and they overlap overlap in their incompetence is jers dictions hole at the revenue wells and interests that something different at that sets apart from their professional duty is so that's the 1st reason in our respect the efforts by a minister called called so that he tries to reform the system but rushes the federation. and yet the few doubts that within each province you have special

interest groups special rules are causally lustration doesn't worry a little as we know from experience is not exactly a lot of africa a lot of consideration relates that you can do it overnight help with that there was an attempt to set up a separate legalese force for drugs we had ordered the. agency i have and i know that there are still arguing in the kremlin whether it was the right decision to pull a bill or shut it down with it but this agency maybe we should have something like what they have in the us the drug enforcement agency the jury's still out on slips the problem is that the crumlin doesn't have a clear concept called believes should work and all but they have different opinions and it's nice to have different opinions in a democracy but when you talk about law enforcement. so you want to have it lira

system in there and the last question it has happened to in russia that massive changes over there have been brought about by some tragic events i'm sure you remember they case of private situ regarding hazing in the army right and i'd like to remind you that the problem has been solved that's almost entirely because of soldiers mothers this each of case and what the defense minister told the syria did that there is almost no hazing now they were many cases like that for instance the case of admiral openness and upon which helped ease the pain killer rules for cancer patients and the right do you think yvonne gallen knox case may bring about massive changes to the i think you're right and unless people forget about this case by the end of the news cycle i think the go in of case will provide us with an opportunity to reconsider their rules for investigating drug related

crimes and to think once again about setting a separate drug enforcement agency i think mr venediktov thank you very much for your time and i doubt if you are sticking to this conversation going our social media pages at. same place same time here and all the part. where. is your officer. told you to get up off the ground sir began to. get the facts on the sounds you made. i mean a grown man like wrestling essentially in your office hurling. through his tone.

will wish to do away from the office or the toys out of his crib. the obvious or did they kind of lunge for the weapon once missed and then when it happened on tree swung at the officers hands didn't hit them i never saw any contact between the 2 at any kind of went back to where they were so the officers back here there try again 15 feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled out his gun and aimed it on tree. you know world of big partisan movies a lot and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now

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