we're going underground 2 years after near liberalism arguably caused an inferno that killed 72 innocent people today almost 25000 homes and u.k. buildings planted in the same flammable material 8400 of those in the social housing sector and a further 15 percent of austerity cuts have impacted the fire services that saved lives that night no one who made the decisions that caused the fire that night has been arrested coming up in today's grandfather anniversary special the rule of law the rule of money ahead of the 2nd anniversary of the grant wahl tower fire survivor joe delaney questions why campaigners are being imprisoned while those responsible for the tragedy walk free to ask pat mason the labor leader of granite falls local council the richest in britain what he thinks of the leaked plans of

u.s. secretary of state might compare to destabilise britain's top and new liberal politician jeremy corbett plus justice for grandchild convener of continuing sign of the walks through britain's richest enclave on the imminent risk of another grim fell days after another london fire following alleged ignored warnings from residents and oh you political. world support. hip hop artist and activist low key performances ballad against corporate manslaughter all of them all coming up in today's going underground for a lot of us for a special but 1st the amazon washington post has obtained a leaked recording of u.s. secretary of state mike pompei o suggesting the trump administration is targeting the leadership of western europe's largest socialist movement the chief target of the former cia boss another usas top diplomat mike pompei o is labor leader jeremy corbyn labor has responded saying president trump and his officials attempt to decide. who will be britain's next prime minister or an entirely unacceptable

interference in the u.k.'s democracy jeremy corbett himself was the 1st senior pull it isn't to meet granville survivors after the catastrophic fire more important peo later in the show joining me now is an evacuee on the night of the show delaying the will of the grenfell action group joe welcome to going underground just before we get to the anniversary you're wearing that i am indeed i am reason that's the name of someone quoted by the member of parliament for kids in chelsea who claim that greece morris is locked up while granville perpetrators of frequently what they claim to want to talk about what's emblematic of all i mean it's ridiculous to release who's clearly traumatized individual who's absolutely been scarred by who is out today reece is a member of the north kensington community has lived in the area his entire life he lost family members and friends in the tower and the fire at the tower he's obviously upset about that because of the lack of support that has been in the area

in terms of health and social care and you know just basic structural support for anyone a toll he's feeling rather upset basically unfortunately his anger got the better of him and one point he was jailed for strangling. well yeah he basically he had an altercation with a member of staff who manages the graham fellow site because the plastic covering that they've put on it keeps coming off despite repeated assurances that they've fixed it now and it didn't matter how strong the winds got that it would stay on this keeps happening and frankly you know it's like ripping a plaster of an open wound it leaves this is a long time after the fire the actual top woolens and so on on the building a full now it comes off all the time it comes off all the time and the only time there is the remote possibility of a pile when it's just seems to peel away now they've made repeated promises that they will go. and to fix this frankly when when reese questioned the guy about what

was going on the guy was rather a choose should we say the time and respects at last and lashed out now that what's really bad is that they have completely made peace about this reeses apologize they moved past it those 2 people and yet for some reason this was still brought to court and he was still charged and he is still languishing in prison at the moment whilst those who are really responsible for that $200.00 foot there is you know less than 50 meters from reese's house are walking free will when it happened there was a lot of mainstream media conversation about the tragedy people talking about it being emblematic of tory live demo severity and so forth what happened it breaks that news just solid help so that the country forgot about it well i think the attitude seems the prevailing attitude nowadays seems to be you know why haven't people got over you know that's an attitude that we've heard from members of the council as well i mean code referred to some of the comments that you know members of the

council have made in the past so you can use council officials unnamed of racism calling it the afrikaner of kids in chile it was the laffer caliphate akins yes all of that starts in minutes of one of the meetings that's absolutely beyond a doubt that that was said because that was said in a meeting in front of dozens of witnesses at the time it was in relation to allowing child refugees into the bara they're basically saying if they did that it would turn the bar into an islamic caliphate you know my front yard rather an islamic caliphate and you know some neo liberal you know quasi state where basically you don't really have the rule of law you have the rule of money and that's all that talks and you know that's all that's ever listened to and it's ridiculous that to reason may have the cheek and share on gas city to try and claim credit for her actions in relation to graeme felt how i mean on one racism she said that she was against racism obviously in her resignations. speech and she used her

resignation speech to talk about the setting up of the independent quietly into the tragedy the search for the truth that she made to dick a key platform of her legacy vis search for the search for the truth you know basically she had to be dragged kicking and screaming to even agree we're still awaiting for the diverse panel to be appointed for being going to the panel in a 2nd but you saw her when she visited to i was the one who called her a coward time and it made the news because it was it was shockingly it was shockingly tasteless it was shockingly crude and it was shockingly crass of her you know i mean there are often insult her silver to visit to give sympathy way that she visited there was no tact or diplomacy for a politician you know she certainly doesn't know how to turn on the charm i mean i've heard i've heard people say in the past you know she's been compared to a robot frankly i find that insulting to robots well in fairness to her which is gone now she's she's not on these up are telling us they're not going to eat and

she did set up the inquiry phase one is now over what do you make of this judge mr more bricks some are more big i mean if you look if you look at the way that people look to macpherson when he was appointed to the stephen lawrence inquiry i'm hoping that some are more because on a similar journey because you know i mean facing at the time was seen stream really right wing he was seen as you know an establishment character who was absolutely not going to criticize the place and you know he would contain the issue for the government and you know he was absolutely scathing of the many gave a surprise which you use that they stay which is institutional racism you know which inspired me to use the phrase institutional indifference ok well that's optimistic some kind of hope there because i mean after all what the judge has been the interest from who over ruled for social cleansing whether swelling in my book.

in fairness to him there i mean he couldn't really do anything other than in to interpret the law at that point you know he didn't have the discretion basically to for one of about well look at the spirit of the law he had to interpret the letter of the law in this regard he has a lot more interpret you know he's a wider he does have a wider remit you know we have seen some movement from him i mean that the fact that he planned this panel gather is well west that we're still waiting on that you know i blame the government on that issue as much as i would blame him in that regard you know it does seem that he i really don't think he's saying what it is the community wanted what he said today on the way sickly i mean up to the judge it was the same with it was the same with macpherson it's like you know even with the best will in the world the fact that you know you're a privately educated you know elderly white english judge gives you a completely different life experience to someone who's grown up on the streets and get stopped and searched when they want to go to the shop for toilet paper face in

need of it the time is basically people to hold his hand and talk him through some of these issues and explain things to him rather bluntly in rather clearly who actually had some weight so he was forced to listen to them i think more bit would benefit from the saying is used to being the top dog in the courtroom you know everyone sort of defers to him in this instance you could say it 1st me in that he had with us where someone sneaked a recording and you could say i'm arguing say no you you know you can't say this i will you allow that when you gave evidence i gave written evidence thankfully i didn't have to go and gave i didn't have to give testimony i may do for phase 2 because obviously involved a lot more in the incompetence of the counsel in the for the years preceding you know for years going back than i was would sort of as on the night thankfully i was able to get away from the area about 3 34 am in the morning i went to stay with a friend of mine in west palm park with one of my neighbors and a kid i genuinely. those who had to stay there and sleep on the grass on the stay

they slept there that night under the sun to that smoldering wreck of a tower as people were dying in the ok well it's an illusion $128.00 households are living on the walkways to. myself included no no real housing so what did you think of it should we said that just as we approached the 2 year anniversary on friday police interviewed people finally for criminal we're here today to interviewed 11 people i don't get why this was really announced i can't help but think that you know it somehow somehow deliberately been rian to steal the thunder from emma dent codes back bench to bay or perhaps to distract attention from racist officers and councillors at kensington and chelsea council and their general incompetence in this matter certainly that if they would deny that the news management because we only know what we do i mean not many people may know about

these property sales they made 129000000 pounds from property deals own zone to see how they were and so what. does it feel like to be there and what does it feel like for the others to be there knowing that your council your local council got 129 yards i mean nobody in just 3 years they made 129000000 that's 17000000 pounds a year they were making on property deals that is an absolutely ridiculous figure but you did receive some help from the county if we really i mean the i'll tell you what but how piracy because i paid my council tax info because i was always hopeless with that bill i would always pay in full at the start of every year because i paid it for when the credit crunch hit in 2000 and day i got a 50 pound refund and that 100 pounds refund from the council and that was because i was someone who paid my council tax in full people who actually were on council tax benefit other ones who should have got that 100 pound back i was working at the time i didn't bloody need it you know i. no need for it whatsoever no i did not did

it someone who lives in knightsbridge you know what's 100 pounds to someone up there is a little bit of extra keen wall that day you know or maybe some organic orange juice that means nothing to people. thank you well we invited the lawyer very small response in davidson on the show but he didn't get back to us in time for this broadcast he has said in the past that mr morris grew up in the shadow of grenfell he has a very active campaign about what happened on the day is that feelings and tensions around over board he lost his temper as simple as that the complainant and mr morris and their own good terms they've mended their grievances after the break as children have nightmares waiting to be read house we speak to the opposition leader of the richest council in britain about the fight against new liberalism in. britain and the world and justice for grand final 48 hours ahead of the grenfell silent war what can britain learn from bangladesh and its response to munches lethal skyscraper in front of. the walls the

music from the poet laureate for grand over small going to have going on the ground . join me every thursday on the alex simon chill and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics or business i'm showbusiness i'll see you then. welcome back to the west how a book fire in london since the 2nd world war stole the lives of 72 and made of 100 households homeless there are still more than 150 buildings across the u.k. that have the same grunfeld cladding and with no replacement in sight is the 5th rich. nation on earth waiting for another tragedy joining me now is labor leader of

the kids in chelsea council at mason beth thanks for coming back on to your account to your leader of the opposition do you know the residents have trust in in kensington and chelsea as to how the government along the council have responded to the grand catastrophe no i mean globally no they've done a few things but i mean we still have the government. haven't properly responded to the toll to the judith packet recommendations and she said in her review over well over a year ago now that the. building in fire regulation system was completely unfit for purpose it was a recipe for the builders making up as to go along basically but we have this argument about still this infantile argument about how many people have been housed how many people have not been housed in for you were given jail or smith says a 100 for the m.p.'s wouldn't go to week trying to get over this row says 128 who's

right of course you can tell a smith is not. looking at the people who are what they call. homeless people who are homeless but are sleeping on somebodies couch they're not counted in plus the last also counting in people have severe trauma and mental health problems who were who lived in beside the fire actually in the town itself so little that using 2 different said this is another hearing about just how those those people and stop are going about the figures but no nobody really trusts the council of the government i mean the council is trying to close down the grenfell recovery scrutiny committee which was a committee set up to the council's front line response to all things because the job has been done presumably now they want to mainstream everything perhaps they think the job has been done i mean i don't it tells us that they don't really understand either what happened at the file what happened to people and if they think that 2 years means that it's the job is done i mean the trauma is really.

just setting in though we had one of the well known campaigners commit suicide last december we still got people on the suicide watch list brazenly used her resignation speech to say she was presumably proud of the reaction and you gotta admit that the british government has said that they will pay for the cladding on towers like that in grand fell although i understand 90 percent of the tower blocks in this country have some sort of planning they haven't replaced all the way to 2 years to say that a fire could have happened any time and in fact it could happen any time now and they're only talking about a.c.i.m. flooding anyway and lots of other combustible materials on top blocks on hospitals on all sorts of private buildings that's a sea of private buildings owners out there who as you know i've been arguing for the last 2 years about who should pay for this they don't busy want to pay for it and want to give it to the leaseholders least of all to say what it was legal the time their only consulting now after 2 years as much right said on another station they're doing absolutely nothing there talking talking talking talking about better

fire safety getting rid of combustible blinding fire brigades and then doing absolutely nothing fabregas union yes i mean this is a failure of your liberalism i understand the you're part of the campaign to save north kensington fire station make it 2013 which is part of the austerity cuts and it was canned it didn't work as a fire station crews that were 1st on the scene 2 years ago underwood 1st on the scene and they were on the scene at the lab or in the lab or grove train disaster in 1909. of course close the whole number of fire stations in london boris johnson did that who might be prime minister he cut $45000000.00 of the fire service in london in the long run mean more londoners getting burnt to death why do you think it became so emblematic of near liberal austerity after the after the crash that a lot of the cost of that on to people down here it was a completely can in a sense i mean we know that in the last 2 years for example it is 10 percent in this country of 14 percent return you'll need to look at this through the 2 worlds here is the world. the stock market and the banks and the multi global companies

who run everything no who have used democracy as it were there is no vision for this country apart from the race to the bottom we are now but still a 2007 wage levels we've got 4000000 people in england who are effectively homeless 2000000 in this country americans spend way over the trillion a year on arms they're bombing and stuffing 7 countries at the moment whilst china are using that sort of money to go out in the world economically generally whole areas instead of bombing and stuffing them with the british government to deny their neglecting britain for foreign wars i'm going to ask you then because the amazon washington post has obtained a leaked leaked or you're recording trying to get hold of it here are going underground suggesting that your leader jeremy corbin is under attack from the u.s. state this is the u.s. secretary of state mike compare former head of the cia saying that the u.s.

needs to bring bring him down really before he becomes prime minister nothing surprises me but the u.s. i magine have the mighty us is of the labor leader of the u.k. and this is a man that stood against us a tough going military judge in the south african apartheid campaign he has been to gaza and stood against the israeli army and what i mean is yes he has went there and been involved in some of those actions way back in the past they know that this man means what he says and he will not be swayed by a government and an order that is completely trashing our peoples' lives any time soon generate carbon will be a number 10 and you know they know that for the 1st time in decades we will have a government in this country that will look after the interests of people in this country and not look after the americans and the friends and the tories look after their people in in business we love god and that's what that's what terrifies them about it he says. thank you. well in the next 48 hours thousands of

people across the u.k. will march to remember the 72 people who died as a result of the grenfell tower fire 2 years ago where samuel's involved in justice for grant fell joins me now thanks so much for coming on i would like to think of itself as a great 1st world country there was a tragedy in bangladesh in march which when the 6 people perish in the effort our glee bangladesh capital dhaka people were arrested they've already been arrested you would you think of that discrepancy that people have been arrested but no one in authority has been arrested that's actually a credible breach of trust between citizens and local and central government i think it actually sends a very strong message that they certain people who actually carry weight and the others who it doesn't matter i have to also say that it's only in the past few days just as we approach this 2 year anniversary there is one other fire in london and

the other residents are saying that they'd previously sold an investigation into fire risk what did you make of the. the fire and embarking in as i think it was quite horrendous to actually see the images of reminders for many of the community especially coming up to the 2nd anniversary but i think again what a dream forced is the fact that actually fire safety is not taken seriously because the residents actually complained about being concerned about safety issues you know it just demonstrates that actually we haven't got regulations that were robust enough to actually protect people in the building industry you know putting wooden balconies you know i mean i'm a lay person on the narcotics but for me it doesn't make any sense to put a wooden balcony up there will be. an investigation well the thankfully there are

no fatalities we did invite the council of the richest council in britain people to come over the tory council they said no one was available but they said no one would have intentionally put lives at risk and no one foresaw the grenfell tragedy . no one foresaw. i think that indicates a real what we call institutional interference indicates a lack of duty of care it indicates a kind of carelessness too in terms of your responsibility for. your the local population the tenants of grenfell tower one housed ultimately by the council even though they had. you know a nick and elmo the kids in chelsea tends management organization responsible for that but at the end of the day it was the council's responsibility they made the decision to save money and put a cheaper cladding on. they made a whole range of decisions that actually meant that grenfell was

a death trap. there is an international dimension here what was your reaction when the tories on the council they've appointed a company called e-com or a call. the company that previously got 830000000 pounds for iraqi army contracts after tony blair's war in iraq they will be checking on soil contamination around the grain fill area from from now on or from a little before from now on the the subsidiary was done for price fixing in u.s. nuclear facility what do you make of this company checking on whether the soil around granville is currently polluted or no well again it raises concerns for the community in terms of trust we've. done our homework we also don't know the facts that you've just explained and you know we are concerned as

a community that actually the government is prepared to take on a company. with this indication you know the the procurement was not done appropriately. to get the contract way you know we want explained how the contract was procured was it put out to tender. apparently not so the media the. get the council's view on that i knew that you also been outspoken actually about the retrofitting of sprinklers what do you make of the scottish council done these recounts or saying they weren't going to retrofit sprinkler systems to buildings we hear this again and again the fire brigades actually off the grid for quite recently i think it was in february or march any cotton led a campaign to have sprinklers. fitted you know sprinklers save lives you know that they actually suppress the fire they don't put out

a fire but they suppress it so what would be the reason for not doing that if it isn't a cost implication if this always a cost implication when it comes to working class people's lives you know they are they not prioritized and so you begin that frustration that we as a community. feel that following ground for this seems to be a real reluctance to put in place measures like communal law richard frontier you know fitted sprinklers you know more than one access fire escape there's a real reluctance and the dragging of the feet to implement this which for us means that we never going to get justice because justice has to be about a real change a change not just for our community but for the whole country parcells thank you well before we go here for what is an actress loki kyron green goes to granville

and that's it for the show will be back on saturday to ask in the wake of the strong response of the russian press to the arrest of journalist even golan of where the u.k. media is so quiet about jewel in the sun chill that keep in touch via social media is low key. with ghosts of grants. words cannot express please allow me to begin 130 a year to shout it from a window people craned in the shade watching the burden of the big. tower would now historically be a symbol of people reaching out windows screaming for their lives deep in their graves trying to reason with the skies the word champions' comparison is clear the every single person in the bill would do would see here and judge the tired and i try and sometimes leave and leave in some beat. b.c. yes some sort of fire and he ran inside that would say when he and his family died

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