drugs he hates the drug dealers he always sides with police about in this particular case he told me he doesn't then i realized something's wrong again i think many people are like that which of people who would fight drugs or cover the fight against true ugs they realized something was wrong indeed it is clear that there was a massive abuse of legal process in case of a mongolian else ever asked as it was denied immediate access to his attorney he had bodily injuries on a lot and information about his case shared with mass media was not always true to the facts in one of your interviews you mentioned meeting with some of the senior ranks in the police what do they say involve these breaches of procedure if you. look i did talk to the chief of moscow police general but you know i asked him could you please explain to me that i arrived in moscow on the night train and i met with him the next morning i asked him could you please

explain this situation to me and maybe i don't know something maybe i don't understand the out so i started talking to him and it was you know i realized that he didn't have answers to my questions so when he started calling his subordinates phone we had to clarify one thing after another so the moscow police she got was not food aware of this situation based on my conversation with general dharana you know about it so i told him could i please talk to the want to get it working on this case i don't want to meddle but i have to understand what's going on is that i want to show the words lately holes are. that's my work as a journalist and i did talk to some of the detectives and i didn't talk a log because that's when they moved to a hospital and i went there and you know and what was there. i think well detectives told me it was all right though i doubt they told me we're fighting drugs we don't have to be sorry money is with drug dealers so it's a little. well i does see. when i talk to general boron of though he

couldn't answer my questions and it was very obvious you know us me where they're ahead of other contexts when i was in sync because we're really i saw prosecutor general cheika they are and i knew that something was wrong with the case so immediately and i wrote a letter i asked him to personally oversee this matter you know and i gave this letter to prosecutor general gave it to his aides and they took the letter and they took it will see him. and i know you will probably be a prosecutor general's office will oversee this matter i don't want to meddle in the investigation i'm just asking questions you know that's what journalists do. would release no was that's what the odds are not as well as a journalist and we do expect that from the police and high degree of accuracy when it's found in the information that is not what i was i was shocked to hear some of the statements made by senior criminal intelligence detective dennis going to

hollar found that showed us in particular that you can go in off allegedly had drugs in his system and now we all know that it was a false alarm that his tests came clean when you know it was quite a bold lie to make me ill and yet this particular the tax he was employee of the year in 2018 would simple price what would be in order to do to assure the public that such detectives as mr kind of all of these they are not typical let alone the bassinet employees in the dark police force and started to slip i feel. look at this sort of. like it's a weird situation i agree i did not talk to detective kind of all of i may talk to humiliate or at least i asked on new york because if i could talk to him he couldn't say such a thing because there was no test like a detective and you have to support him right now do you couldn't say that well that's the problem was. so i want to ask you denise did you say that if it's been

recorded that will lead it can be true because if we want to find out whether a person that has taken drugs we need to run a test and it takes some time but i think that an experienced detective will never say that especially if he's the best by the way by the way out there so here's an interesting thing. when i talk to his colleagues and with 2 others they confirmed that he was a top never a 1st no so he doesn't it because on the one hand you have more. on the other hand there is this obvious mistake so you need to examine this situation investigation has to continue even to even go no it is all cleared above and release and i hope he's released because at this point there is no evidence nothing no reason to believe him behind bars the investigation though has to. look to see where their evidence but it would have been planted whether it was an

accident or this was a premium to the stated deal somebody did that we saw think investigation has to continue investigations they have seen to this investigation at the not investigation into the bunnies or denise the investigation has to continue and the perpetrators have to be identified and punishment police officers in this case have to be either punished or cleared every police officer from the moscow police chief to the lowest ranking investigator say that in your interviews you keep reminding everyone that the investigation that should be guided by the innocent until proven guilty over in simple which is a foundational principle of the russian justice system and then seems to me that this principle requires the investigation to concede there are at the very least a probability of some of the police being criminally involved in this case that would show a proper degree. impartiality but do you think it's possible what the police

actually see this through or get themselves out on the other court the most i mean it's well this is something you have to spy or it's. you know every law enforcement agency has an internal affairs unit up at the is right you know which investigates crimes perpetrated by law enforcement professionals that's why we have so many special reasons for police officers you know we're all human. nobody's an angel in new zealand and in every profession you have some bad apples but each case has to be treated or separately and then there's the question of whether this was a crime or a mistake you know on the you have to differentiate between the 2 you know i have this question why did they grab a van gaal a knob on the street you look up if you say a drug dealer you may have to get him in the act of selling or buying drugs and they tell me well he acted weird had red eyes and he say so was which i said you

know what a minute. i've done the night train my eyes are red in my face it would be so should you arrest us. or do you share any other evidence of you have to study all the spirit carefully but most of you must see that it's personal always you can say everybody's guilty or of the everybody is innocent but it's always personal. nonetheless since detective kind of all of i mentioned earlier was the employee of the year his the other mrs raises questions it makes the public wonder yes and whether this is how it works maybe just something went wrong and yes can i we're talking about some bad apples as in the case of tortures in the guantanamo bay prison or it's something that happens all the time when you have kept an eye on the russian law enforcement for quite a while what does your got to tell us i mean is this except. for the rules.

well when they break ate up the evidence that's an exception the press but when they run a cover up to protect their agency that's a rule well because there are different levels here. i can't imagine how the boss of the tactical kind of all feels the most because it just can't and i bet he's thinking like this can't be right all kind of all over professionally you've also there are always levels there is one person committed the crime and then there are others involved in the cover up your lack of because they don't believe he could have committed such a thing so with each one of them have been going on about what's his name yes and he's boss you have to study what each one of them did she personally your hunch is that i would like to ask you one more question about professional solidary a year ago this same their record that's recently released gone off ending trial sentenced an activist

a communist party member to 3 years in prison on similar dropped charges and a very similar circumstances what would you say to those people who accuse journalists being biased of having double standards and stepping up only to protect their own so to saying. well this is what is the look of the journalists are always buys and people are biased and so for example you're asking me about this case and i don't remember it. only medusa covered this case a year ago which means that well yeah well maybe reek of or 2 but i don't remember another missed it we're talking about more affectional solidarity and you're right it's so we're talking about journalists you know. so when they see the deal being punished by at them not for something he did but the work is professional lessons if it is subtle and you know how this is professional. darian it's very powerful.

but it's the same with the wood workers or police officers will back it up with that's the way to work so whether you like it or not it mr van addict we need to take a short break now we'll be back in just a few moments after a short break. normal god holds. a memory a little you know well you know but you know i just when you watch him come to. the board. with i'm with.

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has tripled in russia whereas the overall number of convictions has gone down significantly faster since you are in contact with the law enforcement officials can you say you want is it so that the crime solving rate is growing specifically for the drug related crimes unit is that because that's what really happens i may be told about some policy well that looks the crime rate goes up where's the crime detection radius actually going down there but you know over the past 20 years. the drug market at least as far as what i was told by generals and politicians the market which tripled or quadrupled you have synthetic drugs so on maybe politicians didn't pay enough attention to the problem number one this is a pandemic. endemic in big cities from. greg.

the number of transactions keeps growing the crime rate and legs going up and the detection rate. and you have a large number of people. who got involved by accident it's either an accident that or evidence is in favor gated against them because this is character assassination if i want to destroy you in either say that you hate your children or i will drugs don't use they do a lot of this will destroy your reputation. that is as i said many of those who support yvonne have made public statements saying that drug charges are against yvonne's character and his professional activity that he would never do anything like this but the russian criminal code does not take into account the defendant's personality characteristics that might all speak to the absence of the motive that i'm aware that's not that's not they don't we open rates based on hard evidence in

this case the drugs found what do you think it will be enough in of on going off case that the so the but were is a drug dealing show me when did he deal drugs. there's no drug dealing there is no evidence no material evidence that he had something on peace and. so he didn't have drugs he didn't take drugs what more than that if i understand it correctly his fingerprints were not found. each other and know of in good prints let's wait for the d.n.a. test not at this point there is nothing yet there's no facts you will let alone motive your motive is always to get treated short to use drugs but no other motive but father is no fact as with the no effect it will be drug dealing and now they will have to prove this not only to have enough but also to the public opinion but so. if human rights ombudsman the gentleman spoke always perfectly right when she

says that it has to be perfectly transparent those and we all have to see have it in it it didn't happen at this point there is nothing left in these allow me one more question as i believe you are an expert on this that on the speaking know these things in general that this simplified version of the proof procedure has become possible in particular for cases that hold on to the article 2288 of the criminal code at least partially thanks to the fact that the illegal drug trafficking and whole drug related crimes have been acknowledged a bigger threat to the public safety than corruption which is something that yvonne and his supporters are accusing the police at that dia is it fair do you think it's a fair price that at this point of time in contemporary russia. drug related crimes an hour and much bigger threat to the security of the nation than the corruption crimes duty because we've got the remember how do you measure would pose is greater

threat. but you're right about one thing people do want tougher punishment for drug dealers and for corrupt officials. because of that but you might see corruption that's just been born meant we'll live in were is drugs you know like i said we all have children in the woods and we are afraid for our children that's why we want tougher punishment for people dealing drugs with the to our children it's even though we have them yet at the same time just like you said. many activists and professionals who say that many have been convicted unfairly and they have children too right the same could happen to each and every one of was and it goes without saying that the public would rather have the in foresman agencies they can trust. in the right but the only issue is if they need to watch a lot. that's the problem you see you always have to choose between one threat and

another threat you must so this intolerance to drug dealing with little slips of watched if you look at this is what on the mall was i believe those who adopt this simplified procedure to do this may be wrong but the people support that you know it was one a couple of said let's go back to my example of you guinea roy's women were good but that is criticized him for mistreating those drug dealers at the chaining them to eaters people love that people supported for the elected him mayor of yet you're in bergen this was all after all those accusations. of people who loved him there was thought that he was in the top of the limo on drug dealers but now in the case of a bun go no we see the other side of the metal water which every now simplified procedure can be used to accuse any person dealing drugs so people should consider

that maybe the time has come for us to reconsider and change of this procedure. and mess up with many in the west see russia as a state of rigid talk or a same with centralized power and vertical policymaking practice as i do do you think that tuckerman may have anything to do with a bomb going off case the myth of what do you mean yet could only know it was global did not get the what drop of a range this whole situation. i know back into the us but what i know that your president putin was very interested in the celestial report all my your that stuff human rights ombudsman would general of moscow. to the president at the upper oh it was a special report you don't often have that was all the kremlin monitors this situation would you see people protesting because of the goal no case. thousands of people

some people of all sorts of political views i mean you have journalists. in russia today networks to the boston snob signing the same petition away don't see ourselves as opposing side work well i mean us that we have all sorts of people the whole range people of all sorts of political community that an ethical abuse subscribing to the same declaration you know i remember one situation where we were together in the hood and said what idea if you have the live in all sorts of people every day of benedict does look at the supporting this this must be a right. across that in your view of the lukewarm or how far do you think this intolerance might go because one of the most recent investigations might have on call enough was into the funeral business and there are some indications that that the son of the internal affairs minister might have a share in it didn't and you are saying that the kremlin is keeping an eye on this

investigation do you believe that the kremlin is interested enough in letting it run its full course a deal despite of all possible involvements whether on personal or institutional levels and that and how it might affect the reputations of some people or agencies if they feel that's the thing that overwhelms alleged although i have to tell you you have been misinformed in the van gogh in no case there are no children of ministers involved in the what we have there is a large criminal business and neither the minister nor the mayor can do anything. or this business has been going on for a very long time for 18 years so at least in moscow you know. and this is why you've gone and the people in the mayor's office who helped him with his investigation the reason why they were so brave you have a lot of people being killed was in this business it's like. sicily as

a criminal business it's like in the movies and he's the glock oneself and i bet and you since you're out with people like mr call a call 7 mayor sabbaton unable to do anything about it it just means there are some very high ranking people on the other side you know helping those who from an else in this situation will know what would have been go no arrests of on the go no this is what caught the attention of the so i think now that you have the streisand effect now the kremlin really wants to see what's going on with this business of who else is involved there i'm sure the president puts and has instructed us to use aides to look into this matter as if. it's russia beats all other major powers in terms of the police force numbers per capita of the civil population the government to realize a lot on the police if i russian police has been reformed more than once i've yet on the last the legal culture in the russian police force and i've had enough

leaves much to be desired to be honest as a mongo enough's case clearly has shown us how congress since you have been following these reforms closely why do you think these initiatives keep failing or even a question well 1st of all there are too many different agencies and they overlap overlap and their incompetence is jers dictions hole at the revenue well down the interests that something different at that that's apart from their professional duty is so that's the 1st reason and i respect the efforts by a minister called called so that he tries to reform the system but rushes the federation. and yet the few doubts that within each province you have special interest groups special rules are causally lustration doesn't work as we know from experience is not exactly a lot of africa a lot of consideration you can do it overnight locked up with that there was an

attempt to set up a separately police force for drugs a lot of we had ordered the. agency and i know that there are still arguing in the kremlin whether it was the right decision to pull a bill or shut it down with it but this agency maybe we should have something like what they have in the us the drug enforcement agency the jury's still out on slips the problem is that the crumlin doesn't have a clear concept called believes should work or not but they have different opinions and it's nice to have different opinions in a democracy but when you talk about law enforcement. so you want to have a layer of system in that and the last question it has happened to in russia that massive changes over there have been brought about by some tragic events i'm sure you remember they case of private situ regarding hazing in the army right and i'd

like to remind you that the problem has been solved that's almost entirely because of soldiers mothers this each of case stood up and what the defense minister and i told the syria do call did do that there is almost no hazing now they were many cases like that for instance the case of admiral openness and upon which helped ease the pain killer rules for cancer patients and the right do you think if mangala knox case may bring about its massive changes to the i think you're right well and unless people forget about this case by the end of the news cycle i think the go enough case will provide us with an opportunity to reconsider their rules for investigating drug related crimes and to think once again about setting a separate drug enforcement agency mr venediktov thank you very much for your time and i doubt if you are sticking to this conversation going our social media pages at the same place same time here and all that part.

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obvious or did they kind of lunge for the weapon once missed and then when it happened on tree swung at dobb's his hands didn't hit him i never saw any contact between the 2 and the kind went back to where they were so the officers back here there try again 15 feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled out his gun and he did it on 3. we are in strange situation where everybody is making a lot of noise about military action against iran but nobody in the part of that alliance actually wants to do it. there's no desire for it so do you hope that iran makes a mistake and somehow and then does it some kind of confrontation and then the iranians will be forced to come to the table you know begging for some kind of solution on american terms but you know i think that is dreaming that's a pipe dream.

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