war there to bring about the cuban revolution i remember the cuban missile crisis and all the fear that was going on there but is donald trump forging a new crisis because while britain and the e.u. have relations with cuba the us appears to continue to be afraid of 60 years of cuban independence job administration is imposing new restrictions on u.s. travel to cuba in a statement the treasury department says that the u.s. would no longer allow group educational and cultural trips known as people to people travel the u.s. government will also deny permission for private and corporate travelers to enter the country but unlike cuba washington's de-facto proxy latin and central american nations are known all around the world for drugs notably cocaine now featuring probably amidst the u.k.'s conservative contest to be britain's next prime minister joining me now is visitation an award winning author of in the realm of hungry ghosts close encounters with addiction doctor government today thanks so much for coming on the show so i know you're in london for the 2 year anniversary of this

catastrophe grandfather you're speaking here and there's a march today to downing street how how can a catastrophe like granville affect generations of people you know that have been in ground and. it's been discovered about the government neglect the ignoring of warning signs just. disregard for the lives of ordinary people and that's compared to say the government reaction to a terrorist attack now which is a bigger threat to the population when you look at what happens in britain an example legrand for or say the number of people who've died because of austerity over 130000 people a number of years according to recent report and then you look at the mobilization of outrage and resource and energy against a threat like there's a much is not even an infant this emote percentage of the actual threat the people's lives and conditions right here that are causing that's like happening around from then you can see how traumatic that is for people who are fair. goodbye

because they perceive themselves as not being cared about and as being not seen as valid human beings and that's the most painful experience is not to be seen and not to be validated and not to be supported and so it wasn't just a disaster in its own terms which was bad enough it was a disaster in terms of the. enormity of warning signs and the absolutely heartless response of the government after it happened. it's interesting you immediately mention says you can only get indicators this program was attacked in the london times for introducing concepts of class with respect to what was actually had an accident as considered for us by the authorities had that accident happened in buckingham palace or somewhere else here years of london let's see what the response would have been nothing is free of class bias in a class ridden society and disasters fall disproportionately the impact of

austerity for example does not hit the upper class the way it hits people in the lower rungs of this social ladder so it warren buffett said there's a class war and we've won. you know he was one of these very conscious. wealthy people who knows what that she going on is that you know of course there's a class war so you didn't create class or you just talk about it but you know it's a poster i know in this book you mention it as well there's generational pain that arises from events like this. just as the grenfell event was dramatic and it was preceded by trauma and followed by trauma. in the same way addiction and much of human dysfunction is based on traumatic experiences which are passed on almost unwittingly from one generation to the next so the trauma of each generation

will affect the development and distort the development of the next generation and this happens not because people are meaning to pass on their trauma but because of you unwittingly do so for example this is even so physiologically not just psychologically so they the grandchildren of holocaust survivors still have high levels of stress from you away and i am one of them and i'm not just a grandchild of survivors on a survivor personally as an infant and i know that i passed my time on to my children and i didn't mean to so this is what happens so rather than blaming individuals or or parents or any particular generation we need to look at what social structures support or inhibit the healing of trauma so to get on dealing a bit later with the news here in this country is all about who's going to be next prime minister. different tory candidates who will up bodge of that austerity

economic policy what do you make of the fact that holding its drugs became an issue not in the sense of real book particularly but in the sense of the patented book or see of the war on drugs drugs for us it's a boris johnson and other candidates for so there's no war and there's no war on drugs you can't make war on in that 100 objects you're going to be at war human beings and the war on drugs is actually. the most traumatized segment of the population because i show in my book as research. irrefutably and into a bit of the shows the people who are most prone to drug addiction to peaceful people. most traumatized and so that. their response to that trauma is to try and escape from the trauma by using drugs and now we're punishing them for having been traumatized in the 1st place and then me quite arbitrarily say that it's ok for yourself to kill yourself with alcohol but you can't do it with heroin actually i

want to tell you no astonishing fact with your readers may or your listeners may find it incredible but it's true give me a 1000 people who drink heavily or smoke heavily compared to a 1000 people who inject their 14 times a day as long as they don't overdose and 20 years later many more of the heroin users will be alive and healthy then the smokers and the drinkers so what we criminalize and what we really arbitrary and it has to do with prejudice rather than science or medical fact and to be good we don't go to it but you mention that heroin crack could game crystal meth that all addictive pushed say it is the trauma that allows them to be addictive it's like saying is the alcohol addictive yes or no or a shopping addict it was eating addictive yes or no and the answer is yes or no that's the actual answer because somebody can drink many people can and never become addicted people who were shopping and not become shopping addicts people can eat and not become eating addicts but if they're traumatized and if trauma is

distorted their brain chemistry and has given them so much emotional pain that requires soothing then they will become addicted so it's not the drug with the behavior or the substance that creates the addiction it's the combination of a person who's been traumatized who then needs to find some ways of escaping and people find for example by seeking political power so political parties highly addictive as we can see in any politician who would try to pry that weight tripod type of pry a politician away from their power. even under the most ridiculous circumstances they can't do it they're addicted to it and their addiction to power comes at a great cost to a lot of people sometimes and they're ruthless about it and so then they condemn the drug addict and it's a kind of. blindness to the nature of addiction but it said it was laid bare

because boris johnson had previously been on the record to say saying to gangs sokol to get things in them to go straight or go to jail yeah and there he was admitting it seems to be taking it so it is a double when we all get i would say to beer bores johnson is public you explain why so many young people and jobless and without meaning and purpose and analyze what did the privatization and austerity policies and margaret thatcher's denial that there's even a society that people are all on their own loss of community so there's so much loneliness of. validation in this society do you think that isn't to do with people using drugs worse and if that's the case instead of threatening and attacking people looking at the conditions that you were helping to create that drive that addictive behavior in part of people so that's if you want to if you are genuine

about want to fight addiction public looking at the conditions that spawn addiction they would be quick to say drug addiction has always been that addiction has always been well yeah as long as there's severe liberalism that cools well that's not true for example there was use that was used to be drinking but there was no obvious alcoholism if you look at british history for example i'll cause them in a big way comes across in the 17th century gin craze with industry as a shit when you kick people off their lands and opposing of the commons the village commons and the forcing of people into these souls factories is dark say tannic. mills as william blake put it that's when i cause i'm really begins to take off and so as my brilliant vancouver friend and call the psychologist bruce xander shows. addiction on a large scale happens when his social dislocation if you look at russia for example i know alcoholism is always often been a problem russia since there are still czars times but after the collapse of the

soviet regime and the privatization and the near liberalization of the economy the rise of the oligarchs and the loss of people's jobs and security autism rates go up in russia and the the longevity of males actually falls which is what's just happened to the longevity of males in united states as well also due to substances so these are the broad social economic questions and that's what drives addictive behaviors and not the fault of particular individuals ok what i do know is a tragic irony but the middle classes have their own crisis arguably the opioid crisis how in the real before he goes eliminate what's going on a little trouble as gold in the national emergency well he he didn't personally call it that but his advisors medical advisors there and they've called it a national emergency but they're not behaving like it was a national emergency because again it was

a terrorist threat. even 2 people being killed in new york city which should not happen and it's dreadful when it does but that would actually lead to mobilization of all kinds of resources that are not being mobilized to fight the the drug scourge and furthermore if people were really intent on. doing away with addiction they would look at the causes of it and you know just you know that the united states right now every 3 weeks as many die of overdoses as died in 911 every 3 weeks they have a $911.00 happening but they're not changing their policies they're not so. stopping the so-called war on drugs which is which feeds and fuels addiction rather than diminishing and they're not stopping the punitive approach is they're not emptying the jails they're not putting poor people into rehab they're not putting money into prevention it's they can call an emergency but they're not acting like it was an emergency to go to ask you just finally about julian assange because of

the special repertoire and torture for the united nations has claimed that he's been tortured by the u.s. swedish ecuadorian and british governments what do you make of this reaction to whistleblowing obviously as. revealed to us the d.n.c. leaks about sabotaging body so does. that a lot more chris so when you actually have the question which is a bigger threat to democracy the fact that the democratic national leadership deliberately disenfranchised a leading candidate is that the bigger threat or is the threat that somebody revealed the news that this happened which is the actual threat to democracy that in one of the major parties undemocratically tried to squash one of its own a very popular candidates and did so successfully. or is the threat that somebody who found out about it made this. public awareness is guilty of telling the truth you may like him as a personality you may find them as some are troubling personality as i do in some

ways but in terms of what he's done he's done provided nothing but public service because the truth never threatens anybody but those people who are afraid of the truth and those people are punishing him big time to go ballistic thank you my pleasure thank you after the break the man who kicked the f.b.i. out of iceland tells us why he supports torture publish julian a son she held prisoner in southeast london told them all going over but you're going underground. feel welcome you jim normal guy called. i'm not a real world will know well you know but you know it is when you watch him coming.

up on the board. with the boy in the. bushnell. and you when you just knew he was losing you but i'm still. playing the surat old yes yes. morning sunday evening. for that is. what i hope. you'll see in the local which is based on what. you all like one with your leanings there's just a look at your bullshit i mean you look this all that shit. that. you do with. your phone. i think you know cubans all over the world. all very similar you know western the

western us did not invent democracy you know there's democracy everywhere in world history in india in china if you go far enough back creating inclusion in soviet union you know after 990 was not a matter of adopting the u.s. constitution it was a matter of finding what works in that cultural context. welcome back before yesterday's extradition hearing for tortured wiki leaks publisher julian assange going underground went to belmarsh prison in south east london to speak to julian assange just father john shipton this is what he had to say it was a very emotional for you to see julian awful so yeah it's quid pro quo moving speech graphic pictures recently the last couple of months since his arrest has been growing public support is stupid oh well. yes we. it's been my.

view and it's quite. possibly particularly is that. so the world washington post had a positive movie tory windy as opposed to that it took. 2 newspapers to sit and not feel good about julian for years. and on that note do you think that this sudden change into the mainstream media is due to the fact that since you're going to be like this being so often want to be asking are you think these newspapers are finally realizing julian's freedoms that it's yes. it's a bit light but. thinks. right and. just finally as julian sparrow of course was the famed for years says spirit still is spirit still strong in his determination to fight it you know like he tells me to do this do

that you know over the years this sort of thing or doing i'm here. and so the spirit is strong the last of it away to about 20 pounds 10 kilos. which is not good but it's stabilized now i just want you think that the u.s. and u.k. are they making direct intervention to the legal process oh the year we do you k. has constantly than the crown prosecuting this has constantly interfered with the process of the swedish prosecuting authority interviewing julian in the embassy for the last 7 years in 2013 the swedish prosecuting authority wrote to the crown prosecution service saying that we want to we want to drop these cases the crown prosecuting service and. so this is a pull close right back saying in this country you know getting cold feet

this case is about more than simple extradition. things like so they have to supply all the way in making sure that julian would never get out of that embassy well joining me now is the senior icelandic politician who defended wiki leaks as interior minister kicking out the f.b.i. for an alleged conspiracy against wiki leaks you know us and joins me now are going to welcome to going underground so why do you believe britain can't trust the justice system of britain's closest ally the usa when it comes to justice and julian assange i would rephrase the question and ask can we trust the british justice systems and in a way the big. this system system is on trial in this case now the foreign secretary of britain said that on the day julian assange this was i arrested.

that nobody should stand above the law and i agree with that statement as long as the rule of law prevails now there are 2 program conditions for this in the 1st place is that we have a justice system which is impartial and fair and to be trusted and secondly that the misdeeds not to speak of crimes committed by states or individuals are brought into the public eye and this case is not simply about julian the sounds we can leaks it's about the freedom of the press it's about democracy the british government has been telling china and medicare about democracy in hong kong jeremy hunt now a contender of course to be the next prime minister along with your resume they referred to it isn't just someone who's basically facing sex crime allegations and nothing to do with the big ideas you seem to be suggesting well i don't believe in

that i don't believe in that in in fact i would mention one other you mention china and you mentioned british politicians i would like to mention pump by compare all the foreign secretary non-government intelligence service and it should be targeted it should be taken down it was it was a priority task to do that and then i ask who is speaking he's speaking for the us government who was found to be spying not only on medical the chancellor of germany but on the entire population in europe so there's a lot of contradictions contradictory hypocrisy here and the un secretary general but you have heard. background all of this a back story on it because i understand the f.b.i. when you were interior minister in iceland they came to iceland regarding this case this kind for testified this polish the statement made by pompeo

is not new it's not a new policy but because they've been working on this for 4 years in 2011 the f.b.i. sent a planeload of. investigators some prosecutors to read every week without permission without permission which is needed when police work is to take place in another country or if a corporation is going to take place they had no such speculation but they came in a way to frame julian and we could exist and i have information from within the icelandic administration that this was the case so it's not a question of freedom in iceland i don't understand well frame him international body i mean this is this is a whole big conspiracy so to speak i did feel like as we are here even if he did we learn of this information that a plane of f.b.i.

people could land in reykjavik. that can be just by my reaction which was to tell them that no such work will take place without proper. licenses and to a negotiated settlement on to the top 2 that they could effect they were asked to leave you kick them out. they were requested to leave it's a question of the role of whistleblowers. whether we should break their whistles. or allow the authorities to break their whistles we should stand for those who are or were blowing the whistle to not break them and you give credence to the un special rapporteur on torture and it has been on this program because the you mention jeremy hunt the british politicians and government. they don't accept neil's milt allegations that he's being tortured right now in london well i haven't read the report in detail it's not out but an extract the lesser extent of the

government's right yes and it's to be taken very very seriously and he is saying that seldom has he experienced so its treatment of one individual and this is something to be taken very very seriously in 20 years because some people might know all of wiki leaks his contribution to our understanding of the so-called war on terror i understand you also recognize wiki leaks for its usefulness in allowing us to see complex trade negotiations like t. to see china and peace or another when the guts negotiations broke down and the 50 richest nations of the world the european union with all of the members speaking in one voice as they always do in the uk i think money. and. what just over 20 states. under the name of tisa

trade and services agreement these were secret supposed to be secret until we could leaks reveal to the world what was taking place now this was accepted by the entire world and again when the videos from iraq and i was going to use them were reviewed. press the press throughout the world became complicit indeed because they took this material and showed it to know it is up to them and it's an obligation that they stand for the provider of this information well the guardian when he digs previous partner is now repeatedly going back on the sex crime allegations rather than. him being a prisoner of conscience and amnesty international isn't recognize him as a prisoner of conscience just put it on the trade agreement that's important because our health service is social care in every aspect of us exist he was being

negotiated in secret and we would have understood that we got was the same thing with guts guts which was under the auspices of the w.t. or was in secret in the beginning until it was the guardian or it's in really read. the content of those negotiations now these negotiations the door round eventually broke down in the early yes or this century and then as i said there it's nations tried for a new start and as you say it's a question about basic services if you are letting international business take away or thresholds all democratic thresholds for pushing their interests. and so it's a. democratic process we are defending and just finally. the

2nd general of nato was in reykjavik what exactly is iceland's relationship with the nature of my comp a.o. former cia head and secretary of state said the arctic is of crucial importance in presumably he means another kind of cold war literally cold war cold world iceland has always been seen to have a strategic position iceland has been part of nato since 949. in or out for its 50th anniversary around the turn of the century nato starts to change in nature and this is something to be taken very seriously instead of the emphasis on the part of the type that would says and i tack on one is an attack on north we now have a new interpretation which is a threat to one is a threat to war now who is likely to be most threatened in the world the big powers

those who are seeking control of raw materials etc united states britain this makes smaller states like iceland. dependent on who leads these states and on both premises these states are let so. do we want to go further sort of. important pale shall this world who are dominating nato as you know what do you make of bale revelations in the washington post that suggest he wanted to take down the leader of britain's opposition generally cool been before he became prime minister just reported in the in the by the washington post and again i ask if people don't know going to listen to this if people are not going to take this seriously and react to it press. and so for this then we are in a very bad but we are not in about 2 or 3 in the sense that the world is working to

the importance of showing solidarity with whistleblowers with with with free press with a transparent source so that's a positive trend. thank you and that's the show will be back on monday with italy's former prime minister as the european union meets to discuss its continuing support for the overthrow of the venezuelan government still then people socially to see them. crashing on the global markets so when that happens people don't nations bygone countries michael some to back michael their mind all the buy for gold it's making a new all time highs australian dollars almost dies on russian ruble almost dies in canadian dollars almost dies and europe's say oh yeah all over the world it's creeping higher because of the trust being eroded.

in the wealth in which they're all the americans and the chinese the indians the russians he said trust europeans can only be a player at that global top table by standing united and we are already united. on the economic front and we increasingly understand that we have to do so also in the defense from.

the u.s. says it is trying to build international consensus over the suspected oil tanker attacks in the gulf of oman and continues to blame iran without offering much evidence we look back at washington's track record when it comes to convincing the global community about supposed states also to come from congress administration for s'posed consideration of a controversial bill on extradition after thousands take to the streets in protest and numerous births are axed in britain to watch dog groups that gender stereotypes are harming society the pandering to female narcissism in advertising is appalling and part of that is denigration of men.