disregard for the lives of ordinary people and that's compared to say the government reaction to a terrorist attack which is a bigger threat to the population when you look at what happens in britain an example legrand fall or say the number of people have died because of austerity over 130000 people a last number of years according to a recent report and then you look at the mobilization of outrage and resource and energy against the threat like there's them which is not even in the infant this emote percentage of the actual threat to people's lives and conditions right here that are causing deaths like happening around full then you can see how traumatic that is for people who are affected by it because they perceive themselves as not being cared about and as being not seen as valid human beings and that's the most painful experience is not to be seen and not to be validated and not to be supported and so it wasn't just a disaster in its own terms which is bad enough it was

a disaster in terms of the. enormity of warning signs and the absolutely heartless response of the government after it happened. it's interesting you immediately mention says you can only get indicators this program was attacked in the london times for introducing calls up of clos with respect to what was actually had an accident as can sit for us by the authorities had that accident happened in buckingham palace or somewhere else here years of london let's see what the response would have been nothing is free of class bias in a class ridden society and disasters fall disproportionately the impact of austerity for example does not hit the upper class the way it hits people in the lower rungs of this social ladder so it warren buffett said there's a class war and we've won. you know he was one of these very conscious. wealthy

people who knows what that she going on he said you know of course there's a class war so you didn't create class or you just talk about it but you're not supposed to i know in this book you mention it as well there's generational pain that arises from events like this. just as the grenfell event was dramatic and it was preceded by trauma and followed by trauma. in the same way addiction and much of human dysfunction is based on traumatic experiences which are passed on almost unwittingly from one generation to the next so the trauma of each generation will affect the development and distort the development of the next generation and this happens not because people are meaning to pass on their trauma but because be unwilling to do so for example this is even so physiologically not just ecologically so they the grandchildren of holocaust survivors still have high

levels of stress from you away and i am one i'm not just a grandchild of survivors i'm a survivor personally as an infant and i know that i passed my time on to my children and i didn't mean to so this is what happens so rather than blaming individuals or or parents or any particular generation we need to look at what social structures support or inhibit healing of trauma so to get on dealing a bit later with the news here in this country is all about who's going to be next prime minister. different tory candidates who will up bodge of that austerity economic policy what do you make of the fact that holding its drugs became an issue not in the sense of real book particularly but in the sense of the patented book or see of the war on drugs drugs for us it's a boris johnson and other candidates so there's no more and there's no war on drugs

you can't make war on in that 100 objects you're going to be at war human beings and the war on drugs is actually. the most traumatized segment of the population because i show in my book as research. irrefutably and intubate of the shows the people who are most prone to drug addiction to peaceful people and most traumatised and so that. their response to that trauma is to try and escape from the trauma by using drugs and now we're punishing them for having been traumatized in the 1st place and then me quite arbitrarily say that it's ok for yourself to kill yourself with alcohol but you can do it with heroin actually i want to tell you no astonishing fact with your readers may or your listeners may find it incredible but it's true give me a 1000 people who drink heavily or smoke heavily compared to 1000 people who inject their 14 times a day as long as they don't overdose and 20 years later many more of the heroin users will be alive and healthy then the smokers and the drinkers so what we

criminalize and what we really arbitrary and it has to do with prejudice rather than science or medical fact and to be clear we're not going to go to it but you mentioned that heroin crack that game crystal meth that all addictive push say it is the trauma that allows them to be addictive it's like saying is the alcohol addictive yes or no or a shopping addict it was eating addictive yes or no and the answer is yes or no that's the actual answer because somebody can drink many people can and never become addicted people who are shopping and not become shopping addicts people can eat and not become eating addicts but if they're traumatized and if trauma is distorted their brain chemistry and has given them so much emotional pain that it requires soothing then they would become addicted so it's not the drug with the behavior or the substance that creates the addiction it's the combination of

a person who's been traumatized who then needs to find some ways of escaping and people find for example by seeking political power so political parties highly addictive as we can see in any politician who would try to pry that weight tripod type of pry a politician away from their power. even under the most ridiculous circumstances they can't do it they're addicted to it and their addiction to power comes at a great cost to a lot of people sometimes and they're ruthless about it and so then they condemn the drug addict in a kind of. blindness to the nature of addiction but instead he was laid back because boris johnson had previously been on the record to say saying to gangs so cool to get things in them to go straight or go to jail yeah and there he was admitting it seems to be taking it so it is a double when we all get i would say to beer bores johnson is public you explain

why so many young people and jobless and without meaning and purpose in our lives what did the privatization and austerity policies and margaret thatcher's denial that there's even a society that people are all on their own loss of community so there's so much loneliness of. validation in this society do you think that is going to do with where people are using drugs of course and if that's the case instead of threatening and attacking people looking at the conditions there you are helping to create drive that addictive behavior in part of people so that's if you want to if you're genuine about want to fight addiction public looking at the conditions that spawn addiction they would be quick to say drug addiction has always been that addiction has always been well yeah as long as there's severe liberalism that causes well that's not true for example there was use that was used to be drinking but there was no obvious alcoholism if you look at british history for example

cause them in a big way comes across in the 17th century gin craze with industry as a shit when you kick people off their lands and opposing of the commons the village commons and the forcing of people into these souls factories is the dark side to a nickname. william blake put it that's when alcoholism really begins to take off and so as my brilliant vancouver friend and colleague the psychologist bruce xander shows. addiction on a large scale happens when a social dislocation if you look at russia for example you know alcoholism is always often been a problem russia since there are still times but after the collapse of the soviet regime and the privatization and the near liberalization of the economy the rise of the oligarchs and the loss of people's jobs and security autism rates go up in russia and the longevity of males actually falls which is what's just happened to

the longevity of males in united states as well also due to substances so these are the broad social economic questions and that's what dr addictive behaviors than not the fault of particular individuals ok what i do know is a tragic irony but the middle classes have their own crisis arguably the opioid crisis how in the realm of what we goes eliminate what's going on lead double trouble as gold in the national emergency well he he didn't personally call it that but his advisors medical advisors there and they've called it a national emergency but they're not behaving like it was a national emergency because again it was a terrorist threat. even 2 people being killed in new york city which should not happen and it's dreadful when it does but that would actually lead to mobilization of all kinds of resources that are not being mobilized to fight the the drug scourge and furthermore if people were really intent on.

doing away with addiction they would look at the causes of it and you know just you know that the united states right now every 3 weeks as many die of overdoses as died in 911 every 3 weeks they have a 911 happening but they're not changing their policies they're not stop. upping the so-called war on drugs which is which feeds and fuels addiction rather than diminishing and they're not stopping the punitive approach is they're not emptying the jails they're not putting poor people into rehab they're not putting money into prevention it's they can go on emergency but they're not acting like it was an emergency to go to ask you just finally about julian assange because of the special repertoire and torture for the united nations his claim that he's been tortured by the u.s. swedish ecuadorian and british governments what do you make of this reaction to whistleblowing obviously as. revealed to us the d.n.c. leaks about sabotaging body so does. that alone will close so when you actually

have the question which is a bigger threat to democracy the fact that the democratic national leadership deliberately disenfranchised a leading candidate is that the bigger threat or is the threat that somebody revealed the news that this happened which is the actual threat to democracy that in one of the major parties undemocratically tried to squash one of its own a very popular candidates and did so successfully. or is the threat that somebody who found out about it made this over a little to public awareness is guilty of telling the truth you may like him as a personality you may find there is some more troubling personality as i do in some ways but in terms of what he's done he's done provided nothing but public service because the truth never threatens anybody but those people who are afraid of the truth and those people are punishing him big time not to go ballistic thank you my pleasure thank you after the break the man who kicked the f.b.i.

out of iceland tells us why he supports torture publish julian a son she held prisoner in southeast london pulls them all going over but you're going to grow. this crashing on the global markets so when that happens people buy gold nations bygone countries might call center banks by the mind all the buy for gold it's making a new all time highs australian dollars almost eyes on russian robles almost eyes and canadian dollars almost eyes and europe's say oh yeah all over the world it's creeping higher because of the trust being eroded.

by a paradise with so much all year round turned into a round experimentation field for agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major here tens there's no question otherwise why would that the chemical company workers themselves be geared up and suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day. many of these people have one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of environmental research going on in hawaii whether these companies feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power.

welcome back before yesterday's extradition hearing for tortured wiki leaks publisher julian assange is going underground went to belmarsh prison in south east london to speak to julian assange just father john shipton this is what he had to say just a very emotional for you to see german officer you know it's quid pro quo moving speech graphics we've recently the last couple of months since his arrest has been growing public support is stupid oh well the public's. yes we. he's been made aware . that you and. we particularly is. so the world were she to post had opposed you to the tory when the as opposed to that you 2 were. 2 newspapers going to sit and not feel good about julian for years. and on that note do you think that this sudden change into the mainstream

media is due to the fact that since you're going to be like it's being so off i want to be asking you think these newspapers are finally realizing julian's freedoms that it's yes. it's a bit light but welcome aboard get things. right and just finally julian sparrow of course has been famous for years this is where it still is hotter it's still strong and his determination to fight is. you know like he tells me to do this do that you know over the years this sort of thing or do i'm here. and so the spirit is strong lost a bit away to about 20 pounds 10 kilos. which is not good but it's stabilized now i just want you think that the u.s. and u.k. are they making direct intervention to the legal process oh the year we do you k. has constantly than the crown prosecuting this has constantly interfered with the

process of the swedish prosecuting authority interviewing julian in the embassy for the 7 years in 2013 the swedish prosecuting authority wrote to the crown prosecution service saying that we want to we want to drop these cases the crown prosecuting service and. so this is a pull close right back saying in this country you're not getting cold feet this case is about more than simple extradition. things like so they have to supply all the way in making sure that julian would never get out of that embassy well joining me now is the senior icelandic politician who defended wiki leaks as interior minister kicking out the f.b.i. for an alleged conspiracy against wiki leaks unison joins me now i want to welcome

to going underground so why do you believe britain can't trust the justice system of britain's closest ally the usa when it comes to justice and julian assange i would rephrase the question and ask can we trust the british justice systems and in a way the british system system is on trial in this case now the foreign secretary of britain is on the. julian assange this was arrested. nobody should stand above the law and i agree with that statement as long as the rule of law prevents now there are 2 program conditions for this in the 1st place is that we have a justice system which is impartial and fair and to be trusted and secondly that the misdeeds not to speak of crimes committed by states

or individuals are brought into the public eye and this case is not simply about julianna sounds we can leaks it's about the freedom of the press it's about democracy the british government has been telling china and medicare about democracy and hong kong jeremy hunt and now a contender of course to be the next prime minister along with resume they refer to judaism to someone who's basically facing sex crime allegations and nothing to do with the big ideas you seem to be suggesting well i don't believe in that i don't believe in that in fact i would mention one other you mention china and you mention the british politicians i would like to mention pump by compared to the foreign secretary of the united states he said of we could leaks that it was a non-government intelligence service and it should be targeted it would be taken down it was it was a priority task to do that and then i ask who's speaking he's speaking for the

us government who was found to be spying not only on medical the chancellor of germany but on the entire population in europe so there's a lot of contradictions contradictory hypocrisy here and the un secretary general but you have a background of this a back story on it because i understand the f.b.i. . when you were interior minister in iceland they came to iceland regarding this case this kind for testify this polish the statement made by pumping is not new it's not a new policy but because they've been working on this for 4 years in 2011 the f.b.i. sent a planeload of. investigators and prosecutors to read every week without permission without permission which is needed when police work is to take place in another

country or if a corporation is going to take place they had no such speculation but they came in a way to frame julian assange us and we could exist and i have information from within the icelandic administration that this was the case so it's not a question of freedom in iceland i don't understand well frame him international body i mean this is this is a whole big conspiracy so to speak i did feel like if we're here even if he did we learn of this information that a plane of f.b.i. people could land in reykjavik. that can be just by my reaction which was to tell them that no such work will take place without proper. license is a negotiated settlement on the to the to the take effect they were asked to leave

you can't come out. they were requested to leave it's a question of the role of whistleblowers. whether we should break their whistles. or allow the authorities to break their whistles we should stand for those who are or were blowing the whistle to not break them and you give credence to the un special rapporteur on torture and it has been on this program because you mentioned jeremy hunt the british politicians and government. and they don't accept neil's milt allegations that he's being tortured right now in london well i haven't read the report in detail it's not out but next to a lesser extent to the governor that's right yes and it's to be taken very very seriously and he is saying that. seldom has he experienced so its treatment of an individual and this is something to be taken very very seriously in 20 years because some people might know all of wiki leaks his contribution to our understanding of the so-called war on terror i understand you also recognize wiki

leaks for its usefulness in allowing us to see complex trade negotiations like to see china and peace or another when the guts negotiations broke down and the 50 richest nations of the world the european union with all of the members speaking in one voice as they always do in the months. and. what the. 20 states. under the name of tisa trade and services agreement these were secret supposed to be secret until we can leaks reveal to the world what was taking place now this was accepted by the entire world and their game when the videos from iraq and i was going to use them were reviewed the press the press throughout the world

became complicit indeed because they took this material and showed it. to them and it's an obligation that they stand for the provider of this information well the guardian we could exist previous partners now repeatedly going back on the sex crime allegations rather than. him being a prisoner of conscience and amnesty international isn't recognize him as a prisoner of conscience just put it on that trade agreement that's important because our health service is social care in every aspect of us exist he was being negotiated in secret and we would have understood that we got was the same. thing with guts guts which was under the auspices of the w t o was in secret in the beginning until it was the guardian or it's in really read the.

content of those negotiations now these negotiations the door round eventually broke down in the early years for this century and then as i said there it's nations tried for a new start and as you say it's a question about basic services if you are letting international business take away or thresholds all democratic thresholds for pushing their interests. and so it's a. democratic process we are defending and just finally he insulted by sex general of nato was in reykjavik what exactly is iceland's relationship with the nature of my compared to a former cia head and secretary of state said the arctic is of crucial importance. presumably he means in another kind of cold war literally cold war cold world iceland has always been seen to have

a strategic position iceland has been part of nato since 949 in or out of its 50th anniversary around the turn of the century nato starts to change in nature and this is something to be taken very seriously instead of the emphasis on the part of the type that would says an attack on one is an attack on or we now have a new interpretation. which is a threat to one is a threat to war now who is likely to be most threatened in the world the big powers those who are seeking control of raw materials etc united states britain this makes smaller states like iceland. dependent on who leads the states and on what premise is the states are let so. do we want to go. busy

soft on the important pale show of this world who are dominating the ice you know what do you make of revelations in the washington post that suggest he wanted to take down the leader of britain's opposition generally cool been before he became prime minister just reported by the washington post and again i ask if people are not going to listen to this if people are not going to take this seriously and react to it press. then we are not very bad but we are not in about 2 or 3 in the sense that the world this waking up to the importance of showing solidarity with whistleblowers with with with free press with a transparent this was the so that's a positive trend. thank you and that's the show will be back on monday with italy's former prime minister as the european union meets to discuss its continuing support

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