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we're going underground hours after a publisher at the u.n. says has been tortured by the british government joining us on face the u.s. extradition hearing that could see the wiki leaks founder sentenced to 175 years in prison coming out of the show. 24 hours after the 2nd anniversary of the. award winning author and physician dr. about the minds and bodies that in the wake. of the politician who threw out a plane load of investigators when he suspected. of a conspiracy. going underground the 1st revolution would have turned $91.00 yesterday of us. dorothy's had not conspired to kill him the iconic portrayed of

him taken amidst the cuban revolution continues to fly and flags around the world where there are those who fight imperialism the leader of britain's labor party jeremy corbyn was inspired by bush and his comrade in arms fidel castro castro has been such a huge figure in our lives i remember the news that 959 the day that he marched into valor having been our children and sierra maestra in the war there to bring about the cuban revolution i remember the cuban missile crisis and all the fear that was going on there but is donald trump forging a new crisis because while britain and the e.u. have relations with cuba the u.s. appears to continue to be afraid of 60 years of cuban independence job administration is imposing new restrictions on u.s. travel to cuba in a statement the treasury department says that the u.s. would no longer allow group educational and cultural trips known as people to people travel the u.s. government will also deny permission for private and corporate travelers to enter the country but unlike cuba washington's de-facto proxy latin and central american

nations are known all around the world for drugs notably cocaine now featuring probably amidst the u.k.'s conservative contest to be britain's next prime minister joining me now is physicians an award winning author of in the realm of hungry ghosts close encounters with addiction doctor government to say thanks so much for coming on the show so i know you're in london for the 2 year anniversary of this catastrophe graham failure speaking here and there's a march today to downing street how how can a catastrophe like granville affect generations of people. that have been in ground for and. it's been discovered about the government neglect the ignoring of warning signs just. disregard for the lives of ordinary people and that's compared to say the government reaction to a terrorist attack. you know which is a bigger threat to the population when you look at what happens in britain an example legrand fall or say the number of people have died because of austerity

over 130000 people last number of years according to a recent report and then you look at the mobilization of outrage and resource and energy against the threat like there is them which is not even an infant this emote percentage of the actual threat to people's lives and conditions right here that are causing deaths like happen example then you can see how traumatic that is for people who are affected by it because they perceive themselves as not being cared about and as being not seen as valid human beings and that's the most painful experience is not to be seen and not to be validated and not to be supported and so it wasn't just a disaster in its own terms which is bad enough it was a disaster in terms of the. enormity of warning signs and the absolutely heartless response of the government after it happened it's interesting you immediately

mention says you can only get indicate is this program was attacked in the london times for introducing close ups of clos with respect to what was actually had an accident as considered for us by the authorities had that accident happened in buckingham palace or somewhere else here years of london let's see what the response would have been nothing is free of class bias in a class of in society and disasters fall disproportionately be impact of austerity for example does not hit the upper class the way it hits people in the lower rungs of this social ladder so it warren buffett said there's a class war and we've won. you know he was one of these very conscious. wealthy people who knows what that she going you know of course there's a class war so you didn't create class or you just talk about it but you know it's a poster i know in this book you mention it as well there's generational pain that

arises from events like this just as the ground for the event was dramatic and it was preceded by trauma and followed by trauma. in the same way addiction and much of human dysfunction is based on traumatic experiences which are passed on almost unwittingly from one generation to the next so the trauma of each generation will affect the development and distort the development of the next generation and this happens not because people are meaning to pass on their trauma but because be unwilling to do so for example this is even so physiologically not just ecologically so they the grandchildren of holocaust survivors still have high levels of stress from you away and i'm one of them and i'm not just a grandchild of survivors on a survivor personally as an infant and i know that i passed my time on to my children and i didn't mean to so this is what happens so rather than blaming

individuals or parents or any particular generation we need to look at what social structures support or inhibit the healing of trauma so to get on dealing a bit later with the news here in this country is all about who's going to be next prime minister amongst different tory candidates who will up bodge of that austerity economic policy what do you make of the fact that holding its drugs became an issue not in the sense of your book particularly but in the sense of the apparent hypocrisy of the war on drugs drugs versus a boris johnson and other candidates. 1st so there's no war and there's no war on drugs you can't make war on in that 100 objects you're going to be at war human beings and the war on drugs is actually. the most traumatized segment of the population because i show in my book as research. irrefutably and intubate of the

shows the people who are most prone to drug addiction to peaceful people the most traumatized and so that. their response to that trauma is to try and escape from the trauma by using drugs and now we're punishing them for having been traumatized in the 1st place and then me quite arbitrarily say that it's ok for yourself to kill yourself with alcohol but you can't do it with heroin actually i want to tell you no astonishing fact with your readers may or your listeners may find it incredible but it's true give me a 1000 people who drink heavily or smoke heavily compared to a 1000 people who inject heroin 4 times a day as long as they don't overdose and 20 years later many more of the heroin users will be alive and healthy then the smokers and the drinkers so what we criminalize and what we really arbitrary and it has to do with prejudice rather than science or medical fact and to be good we don't go to it but you mention that heroin crack good game crystal meth that all addictive push say it is the trauma

that allows them to be addictive it's like saying is the alcohol addictive yes or no or a shopping addict it was eating addictive yes or no and the answer is yes or no that's the actual answer because somebody can drink many people can and never become addicted people who will shopping and not become shopping addicts people can eat and not become eating addicts but if they're traumatized and if trauma is distorted their brain chemistry and has given them so much emotional pain that requires soothing then they will become addicted so it's not the drug with the behavior or the substance that creates the addiction it's the combination of a person who's been traumatized who then needs to find some ways of escaping and people find for example by seeking political power so political parties highly addictive as we can see in any politician who would try to pry that weight tripod

type of pry a politician away from their power. even under the most ridiculous circumstances they can't do it they're addicted to it and their addition to power comes at a great cost to a lot of people sometimes and they're ruthless about it and so then they condemn the drug addict and it's a kind of. blindness to the nature of addiction but instead he was laid back because boris johnson had previously been on the record to say saying to gangs so called the gangs in the under go straight or go to jail yeah and there he was admitting it seems to be taking it so what is a double when we all get i would say to beer bores johnson is public you explain why so many young people and jobless and without meaning and purpose in our lives what did the privatisation and austerity policies and margaret thatcher's denial that there's even

a society that people are all on their own loss of community so there's so much loneliness of. validation in the society do you think that is going to do with why people are using drugs bores and if that's the case instead of threatening and attacking people looking at the conditions they you are helping to create that drive that addictive behavior in part of people so that's if you want to if you genuine about want to fight addiction public looking at the conditions that spawn addiction they would be quick to say drug addiction has always been that addiction has always been well yeah as long as there's severe liberalism that goes well that's not true for example there was use that was used to be drinking but there was no obvious alcoholism if you look at british history for example alcoholism in a big way comes across in its 17th century gin craze with industry as a shit when you kick people off their lands and the closing of the commons the village commons and the forcing of people into these souls factories is dark say

panic mills as william blake put it that's when alcoholism really begins to take off and so as my brilliant vancouver friend and call the psychologist zehnder shows . addiction on a large scale happens when a social dislocation if you look at russia for example you know alcoholism is always often been a problem russia since there are still czars times but after the collapse of the soviet regime and the privatization and the near liberalization of the economy the rise of the oligarchs and the loss of people's jobs and security autism rates go up in russia and the the longevity of males actually falls which is what's just happened to the longevity of males in united states as well also due to substances so these are the broad social economic questions and that's what dr addictive behaviors than not the fault of particular individuals ok what i do know is

a tragic irony but the middle classes have their own crisis arguably the opioid grace is why. how can we in the real before he goes eliminate what's going on lead double trouble as gold in that short national emergency well he he didn't personally call it that but his advisors medical advisors that and they've called it a national emergency but they're not behaving like it was a national emergency because again it was a terrorist threat. even 2 people being killed in new york city which should not happen and it's dreadful when it does but that would actually lead to mobilization of all kinds of resources that are not being mobilized to fight the the drug scourge and furthermore if people were really intent on. doing away with addiction they would look at the causes of it and you know just you know that the united states right now every 3 weeks as many die of overdoses as died in 911 every 3 weeks they have

a $911.00 nothing but they're not changing their policies they're not stopping the so-called war on drugs which is which feeds into fuels addiction rather than diminishing and they're not stopping the punitive approach is they're not emptying the jails they're not putting poor people into rehab they're not putting money into prevention it's they can call an emergency but they're not acting like it was an emergency to go to ask you just finally about julian assange you know because of the special repertoire and torture for the united nations his claim that he's been tortured by the u.s. swedish ecuadorian and british governments what do you make of this reaction to whistleblowing obviously it's. revealed to us the d.n.c. leaks about sabotaging body so does. that alone will close so when you actually have the question which is the bigger threat to democracy the fact that the democratic national leadership deliberately disenfranchised a leading candidate is that the bigger threat or is the threat that somebody

revealed the news that this happened which is the actual threat to democracy that in one of the major parties undemocratically tried to squash one of its own a very popular candidates and did so successfully. or is the threat that somebody who found out about it made this over a little to public awareness so science is guilty of telling the truth no you may like him as a personality you may find them as some are troubling personality as i do in some ways but in terms of what he's done he's done provided nothing but public service because the truth never threatens anybody but those people who are afraid of the truth and those people are punishing him big time to go ballistic thank you my pleasure thank you after the break the man who kicked the f.b.i. out of iceland tells us why he supports torture publish julian a son she held prisoner in southeast london both of them all going over budget or going underground.

you know world of big partisan. and conspiracy it's time to wake up to dig deeper to hit the stories that made stream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door. and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the truth the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. in the wealth in which they're all the americans that the chinese the indians the russians and said trust europeans can only be a player at that global top table by standing united and we are already united on the economic front and we increasingly understand that we have to do so also on the

defense front. welcome back before yesterday's extradition hearing the tortured wiki leaks publisher julian assange is going underground and ahmed went to belmarsh prison in south east london to speak to julian assange just father john shipton this is what he had to say it was a very emotional for you to see julian office so yeah it's quid pro quo moving speech graphics really recently the last couple of months since his arrest has been growing public support is stupid oh well the public's. yes we. he's been made aware . that here and it's quite. hard we particularly. say the work washington post had a positive it tory when the as opposed to that you 2 were the. 2 newspapers that if certain nothing good about julian for years. and on that note do

you think that this sudden change into the mainstream media is due to the fact that since julian will be like this being so often want to be asking object using these newspapers are finally realizing that julian's freedoms of those years. it's a bit light but. thinks is right and just finally is julian spirit of course has been famed for years this is where it still is still strong in his determination to you know like you chose me to do this do that or when i was this sort of. thanks for doing i'm here. and so the spirit is trying to last a bit away to about 20 pounds 10 kilos. which is not good but it's stabilized and i just want you think that the u.s. and u.k. are they making direct intervention to the legal process oh good to be here we do

you care a has constant lead in the crown prosecuting this has constantly interfered with the process of the swedish prosecuting authority interviewing julian in the embassy for the last 7 years in 2013 the swedish prosecuting authority wrote to the crown prosecution service saying that we want to we want to drop these cases the crown prosecuting service and. so this is a whole close right back saying in this country you're not getting cold feet this case is about more than simple extradition. things like so they have to supply all the way in making sure that julian would never get out of that embassy well joining me now is the senior icelandic politician who defended wiki

leaks as interior minister kicking out the f.b.i. for an alleged conspiracy against wiki leaks you know us and joins me now i want to welcome to going underground so why do you believe britain can't trust the justice system of britain's closest ally the usa when it comes to justice and julian assange i would rephrase the question and ask can we trust the british justice systems and in a way the british system system is on trial in this case now the foreign secretary of britain it's on the day julian assange this was arrested. that nobody shoots. stand above the law and i agree with that statement as long as the rule of law prevails now there are 2 program conditions for this in the 1st place is that we have a justice system which is impartial and fair and to be trusted and secondly

that misdeeds not to speak of crimes committed by states or individuals are brought into the public eye and this case is not simply about judy and the sounds we can leaks it's about the freedom of the press it's about democracy the british government has been telling china and medicare about democracy in hong kong jeremy hunt now a contender of course to be the next prime minister along with the resume they referred to it isn't just someone who's basically facing sex crime allegations and nothing to do with the big ideas you seem to be suggesting well i don't believe in that i don't believe in that in in fact i would mention one other you mention china and you mention the british politicians i would like to mention pump by compared to the foreign secretary of the united states he said of we could leaks that it was a non-government intelligence service and it should be targeted it should be taken

down it was it was a priority task to do that and then i ask who is speaking he's speaking for the us government who was found to be spying not only on medical the chancellor of germany but on the entire population in europe so there's a lot of contradictions contradictory hypocrisy here and the un secretary general but you have a background of this a back story on it because i understand the f.b.i. when you were interior ministry nice with and they came to iceland. regarding this case this kind for testified this polish the statement made by pumping is not new it's not a new policy but because they've been working on this for 4 years in 2011 the f.b.i. sent a planeload of. investigators and prosecutors to read every week without permission

without permission which is needed when police work is to take place in another country or if a corporation is going to take place they had no such speculation but they came in a way to frame julian assange and we could exist and i have information from within the icelandic administration that this was the case so it's not a question of freedom in iceland i don't understand well frame him international body i mean this is this is a whole big conspiracy so to speak i didn't feel like as we hear even if he did we learn of this information that a plane of f.b.i. people could land in reykjavik. that can be just by my reaction which was to tell them that no such work would take place without proper. license is a negotiated settlement on the to the to the take effect they were asked to leave

you kicked them out. they were requested to leave it's a question of the role of whistleblowers. whether we should break their whistles. or allow the authorities to break their whistles we should stand for those who are or were blowing the whistle to not break them and you give credence to the un special rapporteur on torture and it has been on this program because the you mentioned jeremy hunt the british politicians in government. and they don't accept neil's melt geishas that he's being tortured right now in london well i haven't read the report. in detail it's not out but the next lesson xstrata the governor that's right yes and it's to be taken very very seriously and he is saying that seldom has he experienced such treatment of one individual and this is something to be taken very very seriously in in 20 years because some people might know of wiki

leaks his contribution to our understanding of the so-called war on terror i understand you also recognize wiki leaks for its usefulness in allowing us to see complex trade negotiations like t. to see china and peace or another when the guts negotiations broke down and the 50 richest nations or the world the european union with all of the members speaking in one voice as they always do in the book i think one that is. what just over 20 states. under the name of tisa trade and services agreement this was secret supposed to be secret until we can leaks reveal to the world what was taking place now this was accepted by the entire world and their game when the videos from iraq and i was going to use

them were reviewed the press the press throughout the world became complicit indeed because they took this material and showed it and now it is up to them and it's an obligation that they stand for the provider of this information well the guardian when he takes a previous partner is now repeatedly going back on the sex crime allegations rather than. him being a prisoner of conscience and amnesty international isn't recognize him as a prisoner of conscience just put on that trade agreement. that's important because i health service is social care in every aspect of us exist he was being negotiated in secret and we would have understood we thought it was the same thing with guts guts which was under the auspices of the w.t. or was in secret in the beginning until it was the guardian or it's in really

read the. content of those negotiations now these negotiations the door and eventually broke down in the early years so this century and then as i said the rich nations tried for a new start and as you say it's a question about basic services if you are letting international business take away or thresholds all democratic thresholds for pushing their interests. and so it's a. democratic process we are defending and just finally he insulted the secretary general of nato was in reykjavik what exactly is iceland's relationship with the nature of my comp a.o. former cia head and secretary of state said the arctic is of crucial importance. presumably he means in another kind of cold war literally cold war cold world

iceland has always been seen to have a strategic position iceland has been part of nato since 1049 in or after its 50th sort of around the turn of the century nato starts to change in nature and this is something to be taken very seriously instead of the emphasis on the part of the type that would says an attack on one is an attack on or we now have a new interpretation. which is a threat to one is a threat to war now who is likely to be most threatened in the world the big powers those who are seeking control of raw materials etc united states britain this makes smaller states like iceland. dependent on who leads these states

and on what premise is these states are let so. do we want to go further. this would who are dominating the ice you know what do you make of revelations in the washington post that suggest he wanted to take down the leader of britain's opposition jeremy cool been before he became prime minister just reported by the washington post and again i ask if people don't know going to listen to this if people are not going to take this seriously and react to it and press. for this then we are now very bad but we are not in about the way in the sense that the world is waking up to the importance of showing solidarity with whistleblowers with with with free press with a transparent source so that's a positive trend. thank you and that's

a show we'll be back on monday with former prime minister as the european union meets to discuss its continuing support for the overthrow of the venezuelan government still then you can touch social media see them. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have. let it be an arms race. spanning dramatic development only. i don't see how that strategy will be successful very. time you see. him talk.