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about their pets st the larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because they're already making it to $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research. hello and welcome to cross talk we're all things considered peter lavelle describing the trump administration's iran policy as confusing contradictory and even incoherent would be an understatement as members of his administration beat the drums of war the president suddenly inject themselves into the conversation with words to the contrary what is the world to think.
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cross talking around i'm joined by my guest mohammad marandi and he is a professor at the university of tehran in beirut we have become ill was me he is a professor and political analyst and in florida we cross to robert rebel he is a professor of political science at florida atlantic university all right gentlemen crosstalk rules and effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it mohamed let me go to you 1st and to ron give me your side or how iran sees this whole thing playing out because iran's point of view is virtually silent in western media so western audiences don't know the other side of this story or as i would put it a artificially generated impending complex go ahead mohamed in. the most important thing in this story is that the united states is waging economic warfare against iranian women and children the united states has. exercising what our foreign
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minister said economic economic terrorism and that they are trying to make the iranian people suffer and to force the iranian people to suffer so much that the government will submit to the united states and basically raise the white flag and this is based in my opinion on calculations that are due to these so-called iran experts that we so i call the see in think tanks in the united states in europe and pundits yes exactly they are people who know nothing about iran or very little about iran or if they do know a thing or 2 about the country they really can't say the truth because if they do then they lose their position their think tanks or their they've ceased to be invited to different organizations or platforms so this is economic warfare everything that comes after it is the foundation of that is is this economic
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warfare so the heightened tension in the region in the persian gulf in the strait of hormuz in the sea of oman or the gulf of oman is based upon this economic warfare now there are conflicting. perspectives or conflicting reports as to what is actually happening the iranians are very suspicious about about some of the attacks the attacks of the port of jade in the united arab emirates have to have happened right after bolton said that he had received intelligence from the israelis there iran is about to carry out that in an attack the one off of the iranian coast is even more suspicious because the americans said mine to use the chinese owner of the ship the japanese owner of the ship rather said that they were not mines they were they came from the air and also the explosions were. the water drop. put place under the water
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and finally that this attack took place as the japanese prime minister was to visit the iranian you know it doesn't just pass that just. that just has to be a coincidence really ok let's go let's go to beirut. if you look at the administration trumpet ministration you certainly have john bolton in my column pale beating the drums of war it's really obvious and bolton is want to just for a very very long time and then trump introjects himself this is not the 1st time a dinner jackson says there are reports that he's telling his aides to kind of calm down a little bit i mean is this a plan is this a strategy i mean it's you know kind of a bluffing game here because it looks amazingly unprofessional and quite vulgar in its approach go ahead in beirut well obviously the time but the ministration and the president personally he's he's he's. taken place around the world
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he is basically launching. the many using a weapon of his favorite choice he's imposing. sanctions against a country he he has a good relationship with those going to be actually. conflict with but in the end have to remember these tensions are hurting the people who are in iran or it's in. north korea or in china or russia and it's actually. international world order basically what we've been seeing that. for the united nations basically it is the. administration and his. secretaries trying to rule the world there
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is nobody but they know they're in charge of this world i think this in terms of using economic function and economic function then my athame is harder then a war because. a lot of harm on people especially who are not supposed to be. part of the equation in the end the people who got the harm in this confrontation are the. people throughout the world that is they've both been almost economic function or 2000000000 people they haven't really thought well that's the real worry because if the sanctions don't work and they want this there outcome of regime change they will up the ante here let me go to robert here robert i mean i suppose all of this watching this unfold here is
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that there is such a possibility of miscalculation in misinterpretation they could bring a conflict to fruition which are both governments say they don't want but the actions of one government seems to be pushing towards a conflict looking for some kind of tripping point tipping point to make the react that's what it looks like it looks like taunting to me go ahead robert. yes i agree to some extent i think myself that count for us are a ords and our mistake was each other to have a lot of miscommunication and i believe that the u.s. administration has pursued to a great extent not transparent and incoherent the strategy. and this is an account of this administration between. the president and.
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walton and portray your and. what happened on sort of the at 730 eastern time in united states where iran shut down drone now this is a very serious story. that has been taken by the iranians that united states said well it was that the wrong was in international water the iranians said it was in iranian airspace the point is yes indeed. if you don't have some kind of common equation between the 2 if you're going to have the medium so as your body. they have to speak with each other yes you are going to have it well and. i agree with you on that point about communication let me go back to turn around but mohamed i mean why would the iranian leadership want to engage in a conversation with the trumpet administration when the trump administration walked away from the nuclear deal is very very provocative scored a quote sending more troops to the region i mean where is diplomacy in all of that
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ok this is what i don't get i mean here you have the president the united states tearing up an international agreement and then saying that you know iran has to adhere to the agreement that it no longer adheres to go ahead mohammed. well this maximum pressure on iranian women and children leaves the united states with no exit strategy and a while back. the head of conflicts forum wrote a very good piece explaining this the americans have put themselves in a very tight spot on the one hand they have no exit strategy they've declared the iranian armed forces as a terrorist organization so they can no longer communicate with them at sea or anywhere and on the other hand the united states has left the nuclear agreement the iranians and the americans were negotiating with each other within the framework of the. the iranian nuclear deal the j c p o a and even under trumpet his 1st
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secretary of state tillerson did participate in talks with the iranian yeah so it is the americans who've left the negotiating table not the iranians and it's the americans who have basically created a dead end by declaring iran's armed forces a terrorist organization which is unprecedented in human history so right now the americans have put us in a position where there is no exit strategy there's no way for either the americans are going to continue to escalate and create greater danger and if that's the case and i if i were in the united arab emirates or saudi arabia i'd leave or i'd be pulled my money out of the country immediately or the united states is going to have to find a way to back down because for iran there is no where to go except defend its sovereignty right now that's a really good point and come on let's go back to beirut here i mean mohamed brings up an excellent point here is that they are trying to ministration has done
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a lot it's an exit strategy for itself i mean that's why i worry because if they don't get the results they want they're discounting to up the ante in the next stage obviously is some kind of military conflict limited or very expansive go ahead in beirut. i think the aim of. administration at least for. mr. bolton they actually want to change in iran they want their human change read somewhere and china they want regime change and russia they want to know this human change in plans well basically they're just one hijacked the international order this is does not work the way they see it they failed. miserably they tried to do it cool didn't work they tried to bully china and russia not working it's backfiring on them basically
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on them and i think if they push too hard i think this is a lead to war and that might if there is a war i think basically it's going to be a. political geography. gentlemen and we have to go to a short break and after that short break we'll continue our discussion on the ground state with our.
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mainstream media refuses to tell more than ever we need to be smarter we need to stop slamming the door on the bats and shouting past each other it's time for critical thinking it's time to fight for the middle for the troops the time is now for watching closely watching the hawks. that are owed their birds or head their job for the future but so. far good. service is the key to success. she asserted should be the commission did. the sunni muslim radicals remove. the nominee defeat as you know not discuss khomeini's which most will meet.
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they are the house of in the. day god since when. can a man. need to learn the meaning don't need. to scare you in the. coming through the system distance between the cool. and innocent in our newscycle . welcome back across the uk where all things were considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing. ok let's go back to robert in florida here well let's talk about mike pompei oh he's saying that the reason why troops need to be sent to the gulf is entirely for
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deterrence sake what is he talking about that how can it be deterrents when it's offensive go ahead robert well you have a point here. my point pedro has been really issuing mixed messages to iran and to the rest of the wall and i am what it is about him really and i'm worried that he is more leaning toward. but something happened today as a day or a day and the daily beast and all that a statement by the president he mentioned you know through his. administration to his people in the administration that they have to tone down all kind of all kind of you know statements that could increase tension and i believe that the president of united states might send troops or but the and even let me add this on account what happened on sort of the ads have been so ready they might even order to some kind of a calibrated response to what happened to the u.s.
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strong not necessary and you're on probably in syria or iran but the fact remains that i think that given the parties nation and his administration given the election but they are coming in united states i seem to united states is going to do it's going to be calibrated and hopefully it's going to it's not going to lead to war ok well you know mohamed you know they say they want to send troops to the region a lot of troops in the region there's a lot of ships there's a lot of material there i mean. i'm astounded will not i'm not a sound it be you know the western media makes it sound like no one's there i mean iran is completely surrounded by. friendly forces the united states are friendly to the united states i mean it's a country under siege i want to stay with my column peo mohamed because he seems to have this kind of weird kind of psychological tic because when he hears. he hears the echo of al qaeda after all these years he's still playing that that somehow
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there is a connection between iran and al qaida and it's an extraordinary and very few in the media push back on it. yes and the fact is that there is a direct link between the united states and yeah right now in syria the last stronghold of al qaeda the united states is preventing the syrian government the syrian armed forces from getting rid of this major occupation this occupation of this this horrific terrorist organization so it's ironic that after less than today decades after september the 11th and subsequently this whole war on terrorism 3 which was as a result of september the 11th since 2011 the united states has been supporting al qaeda and we have to remember that isis was an al qaeda which broke away and became
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isis or so but in addition to that i'd like to point out that the downing of the drone which was a very sophisticated and expensive drone with stealth technology by the iranians show that the united states is really misleading itself if it thinks that it can engage in conflict with iran without major consequences and it is interesting that the this drone was downed by an iranian made surface to air missile. called the core of the 3 missile so i think this is important for americans and europeans to recognize that if there is military conflict in this region the iranians will strike back disproportionately even if it's a small attack and they will be relentless because they know that they have to make sure that americans understand that war is not an option and if there is a major conflict between the 2 sides there is no doubt that the whole of the persian gulf will be on fire there will be no oil and gas exports from the persian
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gulf anymore and the united states will be driven out of the region and millions of people from the arabian peninsula arabian peninsula will be on the move towards europe the global economy will collapse and so the saudi regime and their morality regime will not last very long so there are huge implications and it is very important for europeans and americans to push back against the more foolish elements in the political political order whether in the united states or in countries like britain or saudi arabia or the emirates or israel you know. go back to debate root professor marandi is absolutely correct here the problem with all of this is that the there's no real political debate in particularly the united states on these issues here i think 11 hopeful thought in all of this is that donald trump wants to be reelected and he knows he knows very very well that his base they
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elected him in 2016 do not want another foreign adventure and it's very very clear from the polling results here i think this is the thing that's going to maybe to hold him back my working theory about all of this is is that he's given peo in bolton a very wide berth and he said to them do whatever you want just don't get me into a war that will be called trumps war months before the next election what do you think go ahead in beirut. obviously the military the pentagon the senior adviser to the president know very well they come out when a war in the middle east they tried out war in against iraq they but almost a 1000000 soldiers on the ground and what happened even ever the president american diplomat cannot come except. in the night and even the night so obviously there were not successful and their operation in iraq they're not going to be successful
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in any operation in any place against iran because this is a this is obviously will lead to a regional war and this is can now weaken their allies in the region and they will have an impact on the economy of the united states and in the end the national economy i don't think the president he wanted to jeopardize any and the any war at this point but we have to be very mindful there could be some miscalculation example going on in the process of alteration that has taken place and here i'm a miscalculation this will lead to a confrontation there they are in in declared very well very well they don't want war but they are ready for a war and him i asked them at their act they are a me and they would love to have the confrontation in the end these economic sanction it is really a war yes it is really difficult
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a war and i don't think the iranian can ask for a wait and see until the economy get hurt more than what it is a wrench really they cannot take some measurement that cannot stop these economic sanctions because what we know about the american administration they don't stop and only who do any major shock and that's what probably the iranians are going to do to them they can i give him some. something that the american. very hard that go and raise in that rhetoric it's not a picnic they can get i mean they wish to let me go it's go back to rand here i think we've lost robert in florida here mohamed it's very interesting that this time around because iran has been a target of the united states for a very my entire adult life i think that's very clear and ran has been treated as
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a pariah in the western media for decades now but this time around the united states is very much isolated itself it doesn't have the this coalition of the willing around it it's very unilateral and maybe that's what trump wants he wants that's what america 1st means to him is unilateral ism i don't see it ends very well but only to explain to our viewers again the as i started out the program getting the point of view from to around what is the sentiment if you can talk about a general sentiment for a country as long as large as around and with such a large population that you know the whole thing is the plan is to undermine the government so the government and government be overthrown i mean is that. the sky tell us what's going on on the ground go ahead. well there are enormously grievances among iranians americans ever since 953 when they overthrew the government they installed the shah they helped the shah imposes dictatorial regime
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over the public to help create the secret police that killed thousands of iranians they supported the shah during the revolution when massacred people on the streets of tehran on black friday carter immediately afterwards declared his support for the shah after the revolution the americans tried to undermine it they supported saddam hussein gave him chemical weapons i personally survived 2 of those chemical attacks and then of course the sanctions which have been brutal and directed towards ordinary people so you iranians have a deep dislike and especially someone like trump who is more crude i mean he's not really all that different from previous american presidents but he's more crude but i think the difference between now in the past is that iran is much more militarily advanced as we've seen in the recent downing of the drone iran position in the region is iran has a commanding position its allies across the region are very powerful in iraq in
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yemen in syria and lebanon in afghanistan and iran's untag in this are increasingly weak and the weakest link here is of course the united arab emirates and saudi arabia and the iranians who will not tolerate this economic warfare to continue and since these 2 regimes are part of this economic warfare i think that iran will put increasing pressure on these 2 regimes but in addition to iran strengthen regional position and its unity at home thanks to trump because iranians see the trump as as an aggressor and the the different political parties are more united today but also there's a greater convergence among major powers like russia exonerating with iran and therefore the united states is basically a lie aligned all these different forces both globally and regionally regimes we need to. come on the last 30 seconds of the program go ahead jump in beirut. well well obviously this is this is the way they are trying but the motivation is there
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declaring war in the world that he was declaring war and everybody is not. actually believe the united states is stronger it's weekend. morally the world is watching and probably we're going to be in new economic order different from the one was in 1944 in britain would i think everybody is looking for a 5th term where the united states would not lead i think that china will that sort of fell russia. also worked very hard i have been i've been here i go i call it the paradigm shift america cannot house jog or something if there are let me all the time we have gentlemen thank you very much many thanks to my guests and to around beirut and in florida and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. you next time and remember. we
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u.s. president donald trump says he called off a strike on iran at the last moment after he found out the number of possible casualties. i. the speaker of the georgian parliament resigned after a mass protest in the capital 240 people including 80 police officers have been injured in the clashes. and facebook is under scrutiny again as a report claims poor working conditions by a contractor the disclosure comes by a group of employees who filter extreme content for the site.

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