510 years how do we built a better product with more trust more safety maybe a better economy contract between the passenger and the driver to convince more drivers to share a break or unders. now you mention that cars are still the dominant means of transportation in bigger cities but i think that's changing and in many metropolitan areas you do see a push for public transportation and higher tariffs parking terrace for the car where do you how far do you think the quest for share the public transportation can go do you think people will ever in bigger cities will they ever give up car ownership and would that be good for you so i think what you describe is very true in cities when you talk about like very short distances weave in cities and clearly i think eventually you'll see less and less cars in paris you know in the center of the city is just a matter of time. interest all over europe of private cars journeys between. 600 kilometers cory's stable going up

so she the car over the last 20 years as not been replaced by trains or buses because the reason people do score between cities is because the car is the only like universal connector that gets you exactly from where you want to go. where you go. to where you want to group and that's where you always find that in most countries in europe and russia i think it's about between 60 and 80 percent of journeys between 10600 kilometers. 10 years or something 20 years ago the 1st victims of blah blah are expansion they usually bus lanes especially. once and i mentioned before the last year you made an interesting it position of company is that something that you plan to do in other countries and what is the rationale of that. the acquisition in france is very very specific to the french. german market

to the french and german market. until essentially 5 years ago when the market liberalized su if you think of it we created a car in france and germany before any bus companies existed both came along both took some market share really shows that is not killing buses because that's contradictory example where buses came into force grew market we've buses we've trained. you know other markets like brazil or many other markets where we operate there were buses before we arrived. the reality is we take their market share from buses because people tend to use something else but the. proximity because they find a car that's using from the right side of town know that does the right detour in the countryside or a small city and we tend to actually work we have bus companies and aggregate bus companies. in russia is

a good example i think we had. a difficult start with bus companies because they thought of us as. well there are a lot of complaints from companies about your surface online i mean they that they don't appreciate your business care for us is changing very rapidly because we had . 2 years ago yes even we had 2 suits but we would. like unfair competition of corporate ing and we would. today i think you the dialogue as we've both companies and i think most of them actually understand that we serve a slightly different need that we also becoming like a very strong online distribution platform and today we have over 400 bus operators that we contracted essentially distributing. so they realize the discussion we bring additional do additional passengers i heard you say on many occasions that one of the biggest challenges for you in growing the markets is establishing the trust between the driver and. they passenger that they can actually share that

journey together that it's safe from many social studies to know that russia and ukraine the way your growth has been phenomenal the level of social trust isn't one of the lowest in europe how do you explain the success of your operation here. it's really interesting like we. rush to crane brazil to some extent. faster with. lower cost of marketing. mix of 2 things it was a mix of probably the transport network because it was a big countries the transport network was not as functional dysfunctional. germany where you have like a very decent system and train system historically. gaps where you have lots of connections and where you know it's very functional and then from a trust point of view what we've seen in both countries is. the

lure you know son's at the ratings we built in the community. and then you're right the driver and driver is going to right back the passenger was creating a lot of trust in europe we see that you need to create the trust to like very few occasions an online payment. less required in markets like russia and ukraine and you know many people are asking whether the. measures the security measures that in this markets were enough because last year here in russia we had a. mentally disturbed serial killer using your service to create fake accounts and to kill a young woman and a mother of 2 children i know that you said that you're going to introduce passport checks in response to that incident that you gave yourself 2 years aren't 2 years i know fully long time in this kind of business. it was horrible and we

don't build the business of it. for us and safety was like the starting point. if you think of how people did he try king back in the days there was no trust layer whatsoever so we could meet you where you need to sign up you need to create an account with your account your mobile phone number eventually all the time and we progressing toward we do id checks which we did not rule out in response to an event actually because we started i did check in over countries long before and it's just a matter of putting that in place i did check so hard to do by the way but you have them for example in india if i'm not mistaken and you had them from the very beginning why it was that the number concern in this. implementation was a challenge because i did not something we can shake and control you need like an a.p.i. we've government database on that it's not a level playing field some countries and you can do that very easy to some countries it's very complex. it took more time unfortunately in countries like

russia it's been ruled out and implemented a year ago we launched. cruise to have 3000000 people so 400000 users and we're going to continue doing that the next step is also online payment online payment is going to help to work trust and reliability by the way because you have a financial commitment that you will get to the core as a passenger but enables better tracking so today i think we have strong users. through moderation of the community. in the case you mention they should the person who was found because we can try back so there was no fake account. he created his account. phone number we were registered in a different name so in a way it was if there is something yes and you know it's something we can we be able to track and that's why you. sound of the wise you would not be found but but

perfect at the end of the day you've been improving and improving trust and safety for some based on people that's because like you when he's good enough never have you. back after that incident because it was widely publicized on russian social media and i know from personal stories that many of my friends are now much more has it and about using your service as opposed to let's say or tax a service. all the services where you think. you interesting. before we launch in india for example. air b.n. b. in some cases and so on i think at some point some point you can perfect information where you think what we. are doing is how do we keep on improving and adding layers and layers forcing people to go through everything because of the whys so it's going to be a problem if you ask people to give legs a passport an idea and so on that never works we have to take

a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments. a . lot of teasing this is essential public support diet pill means good cover might stop. we had one man 3540 years old. it off this child in the water.

some 30 fisherman this child later in his nets. i guess to suffer. and then to want to have. another one of them i feel with someone and hurt them and . i believe that this is one of the therapy is to love. tom and. absurd to really harsh things that happen in life. that. some time oh sure as well like a honeypot now everyone believe that it was all on stable and on the reliable and russia but they thought that everyone was great over there russian businessmen wanted to do business in the west because they feared some could take everything away from them in russia it's now it's the opposite they have businesses outside of russia was snatched less has frozen the old log now the student whine about.

what do you do before you came here where did you work before you came here when you live well death row in many us states capital punishment is still practiced convicted prisoners can spend years waiting for execution but most of the time the victims' families they are very much in favor the death penalty there are some people because of what they did have given up the right to live among us some even proven innocent off 2 years on death row and how many more exonerations is it going to take before we as a society realize that this is not working and we actually do something about.

welcome back to worlds apart. and co-founder of blah blah cart before the break we were talking about the. growth in this country 70 percent per year if i'm not mistaken and that naturally the trucks a lot of attention. a few years ago the russian authorities already and they were going to tax the ride sharing services and it was as far as i know after the intervention of the french finance and the economy minister that this initiative put on hold you seem to have a pretty strong state be a for a private french company don't you. think is right sharing is often confused or pooling. of semantic but you have right sharing as a right sharing which is what. those companies are doing and you have core putting

which is private sharing the core and sharing of cause between cities. in most countries. some level of regulation and then we worked on improving the regulation to define what he's putting in most important you would you call sharing so what is the definition of sharing the cost of the journey you would do anyway. i would say we're pretty far in the process you know washoe it's a process we started like a year in the house and 2 years ago now i would sort of any regulation. taxing the money you would essentially sharing the cost of driving your vehicle is nonsensical because there is no profit being made so it's always been or. it was always understood the one. every we talk to regulators in russia. i really want a regular. defined i really want to go back to that issue but before we do that. i have a sense that you do have

a certain protection of the state authorities but. at least. some kind of environment distinguishes you from other companies and my suspicion is that because you are a major french star can i ask you straight do you think you have any backing any from the french authorities when it comes to the russian regulation because there are many attempts to undermine your business here through courts through complaints through appeals to the prosecutorial office but you've always been spared as you said you are now part of a major government efforts you drive the legislation and that doesn't happen in russia way too often when business is directly involved in drafting something like that we know it's driving it obviously we do need to several countries to you it's pretty logical that you get involved i mean for the regulation to to make sense.

the relationship with the french government we have known i mean we have the same relationship we have in every country right now is drafting like a new. you we have to spend a lot of times explaining what we do and what we don't do should be regulated it is normal business everywhere but you're not feeling any support any particular. countries and i think one of them is the. of what we do you know you talk about 20000000 people using the service. it's extremely hard people save money. on the environment. because you. people meet and so on so i think we look to feel lucky that we do something that makes sense for society make sense of the environment we're people in cities and save money and yes it helps you because it's common sense whenever regulations being

built i think we have. a sensible and realise that it would make no sense to you to prevent people from doing something like that the question is more like how do you define the boundaries of was call sharing what's not go sharing which is what we would be building right now. this is not a tax a surface service therefore participants particularly the driver should not pay taxes given that the euro branching into. in france and potentially elsewhere is that still a valid argument because for many of your interviews i get a sense that you actually want to be a platform a marketplace for both paid and paid services how do you make sure the well being seamless for your consumers you are not also being used as a means of tax evasion. sure when we do buses it's a very different matter when we do buses in false it's a professional services. transport and in that sense it's taxed as in the transport

company when we do core putting the score putting you have a driver sharing a cost which means the number of passengers you can carry is limited the maximum amount you can call the passenger and then you even core putting on the supply side who's providing the ride we have to complete different business is today to the point where even in france it's 2 separate companies one is. just something in russia we got to work with like professional suppliers providing a bus service on the other side of the core putting service which is do you. see the difference between the 2 because always there are people in the texas service and in russia is a pretty america service there are always people who are trying to gain and. get an unfair advantage do you always. extremely clear. markets where it's well defined and she's very simple just like the price you can

collect as a driver which is defined as an example. if you make more than 45. making money you need to be a taxi driver as a transporter. then you sharing the cost of motoring says. every market. is very very clear let me give you one interesting example from the south of russia recently when there blah blah car customer arrange a right within the cities and when he showed up at the meeting point he was shown into a diesel locomotive the service provider charged him a certain amount. in the service and they think that's a beautiful example of what you would call intimate ality but. it's questionable both from taxation and security point of view. when you work with the governments

how do you think they should crow is the question of whether their societies are ready for the kind of share. you want to provide. the example you give i mean i would say we also have like your example of people who manage somehow by the blood forming so what we do is we. building a. road after the. sharing platform where drivers share the ride. we know it is the concept of the. marketplace we can all go and shake. so in that case the president is going to say it's not a core. value one that bring in the additional modes of transportation who do not limit yourself to

a car do we do. which is very different from. the do what you describe is more like an i would like your story. you know for into russia began in the acquisition of a ukrainian company arrived in the midst of 2014 of each happened to be a very difficult and traumatic year for both russia and ukraine if you had to do that all over again what do you have taken the risk. yes because we do. not like a ukrainian company or russian company time it was that was not to be. a small platform but something 3000 people in russia and ukraine we're actually doing or putting. in both countries so it was important for us was to prove a point that you can work in. russia we can work in ukraine. you should take

a time machine and we were just in europe and that was the 1st time we. were sort. of this company taking off was the proof that it was universal and pretty much everywhere we want we found some cultural changes it's pretty universal there are cars everywhere. everywhere and if you built a good product and good quality service you and our people to share the car at the terror you made that the ukraine and acquisition. that the ukrainian company as far as i know was involved in some trans border rides do you still do that. between russia and ukraine. i'm not sure we. actually across borders. but back then it was no dream big to begin to see very tiny it was . like 30000. have only 45 i mean people go

back and forth there all the time and there is actually a huge demand because according to official ukrainian figures around 3000000 ukrainians. are doing their regular bases between the 2 countries and the traditional modes of transportation are hindered because of the political situation do you think you should there actually is there business opportunity there for you or you would be more sort of politically sensible in this. for. the. almost country except maybe new countries like belgium cross borders very. mystic. border speaking about politics there was another interesting case. involving blah blah car this time in the ukraine a while the driver and passenger. heated argument about politics and the driver of a certain point decided that. being. a passenger by the side of the

road i wonder if there is any. what kind of blah blah you are supposed to have in the cars. almost like the. experience so the reason you have blah blah blah blah blah is the birth of the name blood. of the time in a better car you get to have discussions. again 99 percent of the time people tell us and we have lots of that we. come back and reached from this experience because . these 2 also got in. maybe. lifetime story though i mean i do a lot of try to do a lot of. people have different opinions. through the media and whatever you would be. everybody is the same way i think it's

quite refreshing actually that you take a. different view different view of the world that you don't even realize exist because on your facebook feed they don't exist anymore for some reason we bring people to giver you know that when. you meet. your destination because. people that. transport which is disgusting and. yeah but i mean if one of them living another in the middle of the 4 is that it's a liability for you as well is it not. people in the forest because. most of the time. the success we did 20000000 people using it again they. complement of the service is a big loss. stories. of

life and people were people disagree on stuff and discussion on stuff now customer service does and people left on the road because they disagreed on the argument. they made friends. people mind. transport a new transport company does it for you we. have to live in there i wish you all the. thank you. same place same time here on the part.

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