we are in 22 countries but that state france and russia as the the comparison here we building the same thing at the end of the day if you look at the fundamental of core putting we are neighboring drivers to share very current best interest in those scores for the same story sharing cost social benefits in the environment and in both countries we are we actually becoming also a distribution for buses in different ways so in france it was by acquiring a company from s. and safe and we could have branded buses on the road but all of the distribution on the platform now in russia we do the same in russia we now have like 400 bus partners aggregating the supply. deploying the same vision and then adapting to local needs and look in specific cities and say that your enemy is an empty car see the economics of an hour to see it including environmental economics is very different from an empty car see it as you try to integrate more and more modes of

transportation into into a platform i'm going to privilege environmentally friendly ones. i think all of it is pretty much the same for. pain that deploying more in europe right now is your aim to seed so we could be getting on the 0 seed but i think it applies to a bus as much as a car to go back to your 1st comment i mean when i often say like you know the enemy's e.m.t. car we should not forget if you get interested to transport we're reaching a wash in france in germany pretty much all over the world. by cars the cars to boost used means of transport if you look at the. car pulling a what we do is actually very very tiny today so the biggest expansion for us not in the next year but in the next 510 years is how do we built a better product with more trust more safety maybe a better economy contract between the passenger and the driver to convince more drivers to share very best under. now you mentioned that cars are still the

dominant means of transportation in the bigger cities but i think that's changing and in many metropolitan areas you do see a push for public transportation and higher tariffs parking terrace for the car where do you how far do you think the quest for share the public transportation can go and do you think people will ever in bigger cities will they ever give up car ownership and would that be good for you so i think what you describe is very true in cities when you talk about like very short distances weave in cities and clearly i think eventually you'll see less and less cars in berries you know in the center of the city is just a matter of time now you could. interest all over europe of private cars journeys between. 600 kilometers cory's stable going so she the car over the last 20 years as not been replaced by trains or buses because the reason people do score between cities is because the car is the only

like universal connector that gets you exactly from where you want to go where you go. to where you want to go and that's where you always find that in most countries in europe in the rush i think it's about between 60 and 80 percent of journeys between 10600 kilometers are done by car today in 10 years or something 20 years ago now the 1st victims of blah blah are expansion they usually bus lanes especially. once and i mentioned before the last year you made an interesting it position of company is that something that you plan to do in other countries and what is the rationale of that those whose very the the acquisition in force is very very specific to the french and german market to the french and german market. until essentially 5 years ago when the market liberalized. if you think of it we created. in france on. germany before. companies existed both came along

both market share. killing buses because that's a contradictory example were came into force germany and grew market we've we've trained. you know over markets like brazil or many other markets where we operate there were buses before we arrived. the reality is we take their market. because people tend to use something else but the. proximity because they find a living from the right side of town know that does the right detour in the country . and we turn to actually work we have bus companies and aggregate bus companies. in russia is a good example i think we had. a difficult start with companies because. there are a lot of complaints from companies about your surface online i mean they that they

don't appreciate your business you are is changing very rapidly because we had. 2 years ago yes even we had 2 suits but we were. on for a competition of core putting and we would. think you dialogue as both companies and i think most of them actually understand that we serve a slightly different need that we also becoming like a very strong online distribution platform and today we have over 400. that we contracted essentially distributing. so they realize that we bring additional do additional passengers i heard you say on many occasions that one of the biggest challenges for you in growing the markets is establishing the trust between the driver and the passenger that they can actually share that journey together that it's safe and from many social studies we know that russia and ukraine the way your growth has been the nominal. the level of social trust is among the lowest in

europe how do you explain the success of your operation here. it's really interesting like we. rush. brazil to some extent. we seem like faster with. lower cost of marketing. it's a mix of 2 things it was a mix of probably the transport and because it was a big countries the transport network was not as functional functional. germany where you have like a very decent system and train system historically. gaps where you have lots of connections and where you know it's very functional and then from a trust point of view what we've seen in both countries is actually the barrier was you know sons at the rate things we built in the community were 2 and then you're right the driver and driver is going to right back the passenger was creating

a lot of trust in europe we see that you need to create a big trust like i did and very few occasions an online payment that were less required in markets like russia and ukraine and you know many people are asking whether the. measures the security measures that in this markets were enough because last year here in russia we had a. mentally disturbed serial killer using your service to create fake accounts and to kill a young woman and a mother of 2 children i know that you said that you're going to introduce passport checks in response to that incident that you gave yourself few years aren't you years and no fully long time in this kind of business. or. we don't build the business of it. she's. in safety was like the starting point. if you think of how people did he. back in the days there was no trust layer

whatsoever so we created this community where you need to sign up you need to create an account we count your mobile phone number eventually over time and we progress into work we do id checks which we did not rule out in response to an event actually because we started i did check in over countries long before and it's just a matter of putting that in place i didn't check so hard to do by the way but you have them for example in india if i'm not mistaken and you had them from the very beginning why it was that the number concern in this. implementation was a challenge because i did not something we can shake and control you need like a. government database that it's not a level playing field some countries and you can do that very easy to some countries is very complex. took more time unfortunately in countries like russia it's been ruled out and implemented a year ago we launched. cruise to have 3000000 people so 400000 users

and we're going to continue doing that the next step is also online payment online payment is going to help to work trust and reliability by the way because you have a financial commitment that you will get to the core as a passenger but it enables better tracking so today i think we have you don't users . moderation of the community. in the case you mention they should the person who was found because we can track back so there was no fake account. he created his accounts with the. phone number we registered in a different name so in a way it was if they build something yes and you know it's something we can we be able to track and that's why you would sound overwise you would not be found but the new system is perfect at the end of the day and we've been improving and improving trust and safety and to some extent people that's because like you when he's good enough never. it was back after that incident because it was widely

publicized on russian social media and i know from personal stories that many of my friends are now much more has it and about using your service as opposed to let's say or taxi service. all these services where do you think. you interesting. before we launched in india for example. air b.n. b. in some cases and so on i think at some point it's on point you cannot perfect system of information where you can leverage thing so what we've been. doing is how do we keep on improving and adding layers and layers without like forcing people to go through everything because of the whys so it's going to be a problem if you ask people to give exit passport an id and so on the never works we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments. when

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intervention of the french finance and economy minister that this initiative was put on hold you seem to have a pretty strong state be a for a private french company don't you. think is right sharing is often confused we've core pooling. of semantics but you have right sharing as a right sharing which is what. those companies are doing and you have core putting which is private sharing the core and sharing of cause between cities. essentially in most countries. some level of regulation and then we worked on improving the regulation to define what he's putting in and most important you would use call sharing so what is the definition of like you sharing the cost of the journey you would do it anyway so in europe i would say we're pretty far in that process you know washoe it's a process we started like a year and a house and 2 years ago now i would sort of in a regulation. taxing the money you would essentially sharing the cost of driving

your vehicle is nonsensical because there is no profit being made so it's always been. in a rush i think it was always understood the whenever we talked to rig. leaders in russia the concept is i really want a regular. defined i really want to go back to that issue but before we do that. i have a sense that you do have a certain protection of the state authorities but. at least. some kind of environment distinguishes you from other companies and my suspicion is that because you are a major french star can i ask you straight do you think you have any backing and from the french authorities when it comes to the russian regulation because there are many attempts to undermine your business here through courts through complaints through appeals to the prosecutorial office but you've always been spared as you

said you are now part of a major government efforts you drive the legislation and that doesn't happen in russia way too often when business is directly involved in crafting something like that we know it's driving it obviously we've been doing it in several countries to you it's pretty logical that you get involved i mean for the regulation to to make sense. the relationship with the french government we have known actually i mean we have the same relationship we have in every country right now false drafting like when you do you we have to spend a lot of times explaining what we do and what we don't do should be regulated it is normal business everywhere but you're not feeling any support any particular. perception is. there and it's true in most countries and i think one of them is the extra of what we do you know you talk about 20000000 people using the service.

it's extremely hard people save money. on the young garment dispossed. because you people meet and so on. i think we look please feel lucky that we do something that makes sense for society make sense of the environment we're people in cities and save money and yes it helps you because it's common sense whenever regulations being built i think we have. every country that sensible and realize that it would make no sense to you to prevent people from doing something like that the question is more like how do you define the boundaries of was called sharing what's not called sharing which is what we would be building right now you long argued that this is not a tax a surface service therefore participants particularly the drivers should not pay taxes given that the euro branching into. in france and potentially elsewhere is that still a valid argument because for many of your interviews i get

a sense that you actually want to be a platform a marketplace for both paid and on paid services how do you make sure the well being seamless for your consumers are not also being used as a means of tax evasion. sure when we do buses it's a very different matter so when we do buses in false it's a professional sort of these. transport and in that sense it's taxed as in the transport company when we do corporate score proving you have a driver sharing a cost which means the number of passengers you can carry is limited the maximum amount you can call the passenger is limited and then you even core pulling on the supply side providing the ride we have to complete different business is today to the point where even in france it's 2 separate companies one is. just something in russia where we going to work with like professional suppliers providing a bus service on the other side of the car putting service which is do you. see the

difference between the 2 because always there are people in the texas service and in russia is a pretty american service there are always people who are trying to gain and to get an unfair advantage do you. you always. extremely clear. proper regulation again. markets where it's well defined and she's very simple just like. you can collect as a driver which is defined. as an example. if you make more than 45. calls to making money you need to be a taxi driver as a transporter make less. than you sharing the cost of motoring says. so we apply that in every market. is very very clear let me give you one interesting example from the south of russia recently when there blah blah car

customer arrange a right within the cities and when he showed up at the meeting point he was shown into a diesel locomotive the service provider charged him a certain amount delivered this service but i think that's a beautiful example of what you would call intern mentality but. it's questionable both from taxation and security point of view. when you work with the governments how do you think they should crow is the question of whether their societies are ready for the kind of shared billeted that you want to provide. the example you give i mean i would say we also have like your example of people who manage somehow to bypass the platform and so what we do is we we were building a. road after that the concept of actually sharing platform where drivers share the ride. we can all that is the concept of the

consumer marketplace we can all go and shake every car so essentially we built a good meteorite things and we built them to see you. so in that case the president is going to say it's not a car then you can bet. you're one that bring in the additional modes of transportation and you do not limit yourself to car do we do but knowingly which is very different from. what you describe is more like an outlier type story out of. your foray into russia began in the acquisition of a ukrainian company arrived in the midst of 2014 which happened to be a very difficult and traumatic year for both russia and ukraine if you had to do that all over busy again what do you have taken the risk. years because we took.

a ukrainian company or russian company time it was that was not the. form but something 3000 people. in ukraine we're actually doing core putting. in both countries so it was important for us was the point that it can work in. we can work in ukraine. take time machine and we were just in europe and that was the 1st time we. universal. company taking off was the proof that it was universal. pretty much everywhere we went we found some cultural changes it's pretty universal there are cars everywhere. everywhere and if you built a good product and good quality service you can you and our people to share the car at the terror you made the ukraine and acquisition. that the ukrainian company as

far as i know was involved in some trans border rides do you still do. the rides between russia and ukraine. across borders. but back then it was no drink to begin to see very tiny. like 30000. have only 45 i mean people go back and forth there all the time and there is actually a huge demand because according to official ukrainian figures around 3000000 ukrainians. are doing their regular bases between the 2 countries and the traditional modes of transportation are hindered because of the political situation do you think you should actually is there a business opportunity there for you or you would be more sort of politically sensible in this. country except maybe countries like belgium across borders very don't you for us to stick

to the. like he's very. close border speaking about politics there was another interesting case. involving blah blah car this time in the ukraine a while the driver and the passenger got into a heated argument about politics and the driver of a certain point decided that the journey is still being fun and he allowed a passenger by the side of the road i wonder if there is any attic what kind of blah blah you are supposed to have in the cars it's part of. the adventure part of the social experience so the reason you have blah blah blah blah blah is the birth of the name blood cory's mood of the time in a better car you're going to have discussions. again 99 percent of the time people tell us and we have lots of that we get. they come back and reached for his

experience because. these 2 also got in. perhaps maybe. story though i mean i do a lot of a lot of. people have different opinions you know world where you live in a social bubble. all your social media and whatever you would be and you believe that everybody is the same way i think it's quite refreshing actually that you take a car people have different political views different view of the world that you don't even realize exist because on your facebook feed they don't exist anymore for some reason we bring people. to meet. your destination because. you have people that. transport which is discussing and. yeah but i mean if one of them living in the other in the middle of the 4 is that it's

a liability for you as well is it not. people in the forest because of their argument i think most of the time. i guess we would not have. the success we 20000000 people using it again the. amount of the service is a big plus. or minus. you always going to have stories beauty of life and people were people disagree on stuff and discussion on stuff. customer service doesn't deal with people left on the road because they disagreed on the argument. they made friends. like. the transport a new transport company does that for you. good in that sense. we have to live there i wish you all the.

same place thing. time here and while the part. of the road or the birds or head. or the feel good but so. far good. of it is that you. just

fitted it to come out if you did. manage to move. but i managed to finish it oh my gosh. they are the holes from. god since we. need. me the name of. the skin or. any. kind of system definition in. the midst of them run shithead. some time old shows were like a honeypot everyone believe that it was all on stable and on the reliable and russia but worst because they feared some could take everything away from them in russia which now is the opposite they've businesses outside of russia were snatched

ballesteros frozen old logs nobody stood in line about. 6 guys or financial survival. when customers go by you reduce the price. didn't help well reduce and lower. that's undercutting but what's good for market is not good for the global economy.

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