oh and welcome the crosstalk where all things are considered i'm peter lavelle parts of gerrard cushion his deal of the century have been made public and the reception has not been good focusing on aid and infrastructure the deal is silent on the most contentious political issues and for all intensive purposes the long proposed 2 state solution appears to be dead is the deal of the century dead on

arrival. across talking the deal of the century i'm joined by my guest peter ford in manchester he's a former british ambassador to bahrain and syria and a senior official with the u.n. agency for palestine refugees until 2015 and television we have amir oren he is a defense and government commentator also in tel aviv we have yossi melman he is a senior israeli security writer and commentator hi gentlemen cross-talk rules and effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to ambassador peter in manchester. what's your reception of questioners a deal i mean let's be clear with our audience here that this is the economic part of it where other parts are going to be released in short order but it's very difficult to conceive having an economic plan of this magnitude we don't know. the

money is going to come from we don't know who's going to pay for it we really don't know who is going to benefit from it if it comes to prohibition but how can you have a plan like this without a political framework to move forward because there's a military occupation of palestinian lands i mean how can you talk about infrastructure when you haven't dealt with that issue go ahead peter. absolutely i don't think this plan is. if you read $96.00 pages plan it reads like a real estate prospectus for thumb utopian maybe one of donald trump's real estate development or a new golf course where the palestinians perhaps would have jobs with caddies and greenskeeper who's looking after it for the israelis only the territory. this plan is not serious at all and we have to ask ourselves why we're even discussing it in thorough serious on every level even on its own terms and

economic blueprint it doesn't make sense. nothing important. like control of the movement how can that possibly happen to you know movement from where to where what what is going to be the palestinian territory which is going to see all the utopian development it's not serious ok the same question to you i mean or in tel aviv what is your take on. deal of the century as they're calling it. well i'm afraid if you wanted to have a real conflict on this show you're not going to have any because you can choose your term amateur dealer tons charlatans whatever you want to call jarrett cushion or a just blunt and the others they are really no experts on the middle east and it's a pity that the united states. we brought forward people like george about szell

and henry kissinger and jim baker is now at the hands of people like donald trump and his associates they understand nothing about diplomacy and nothing about the middle east it's even insulting it's like trying to give someone a buck shish. in order for him to give up what he really values sovereign statehood he's capital and all of that and it's really too much to waste a lot of time on it and one can only ask every toric a question would these rallies agree to sell their own national dignity and national lend or even the settlements in the west bank for a price tag of $50000000000.00 or $500000000000.00 or whatever the would be ok you're seeing in tel aviv i mean the supporters of this deal or are spinning it is

a middle east marshall plan we already heard marshall's name mentioned already i mean but i don't really understand how it works i mean if the countries that are involved or are egypt lebannon jordan israel the palestinian lands i mean who's going to make those decisions i mean i seriously doubt it we know all due respect israel's going to want to see the palestinian spending $5050000000000.00 or any part of that ok i mean obviously it would seem like since it's coming from the questionnaire that he would want the israelis to be spending that money i mean how would it all these other countries want to get involved in something like that when it's unclear if it's going to be in their national interests go ahead you know see in. yes i agree with peter and i mean it's a nonstarter for him for a diplomatic breakthrough it's even kind of when the because the groom and bride are not taking part in party. he's rallies and police and

palestinian leaders are absent. from the meeting in moderating. the a.b.m. maybe heads some sort of logic had it been preceded 1st afforded by. the political negotiations and then you could have come forward with an economic package now the idea of the economic backer geez not bad at all for sales. the idea is that jordan which is under tremendous economic pressure egypt which is. deteriorating every day and lebanon which is a host of many palestinians refugees would benefit from big deal which would be part of kind of solving the palestinian problem and it's in terry

but without that diplomatic. negotiations with without it people might think dogs it's a nonstarter there it's just a joke and yes it's a typical of the drop of the ministration and my final comment would be you have to we have to understand who is behind the plan who has designed the plan it's trump and joe is there any special envoy gerry certain green bug and we have a nice israel and u.s. ambassador in this rail david friedman all of them are supporters of the of the settlements they are friends of the settlers and they are against any and they are against the palestinian state if 2 state solution and in favor of an israeli an extension of the occupied territories ok well i'm kind of disappointed that we're all in such agreement kara but we're placing it out and it's really important peter i mean this this deal looks like it's repackaging the occupation that's all it's the. it's putting a nice you know it is tying

a little bow over something that is existed for decades and and judge question is certainly is not approaching that because you can't deal with these economic issues i'm going to agree with the ocean without dealing with the political i mean that's what you that's where you start ok in the economic infrastructure if a political arrangement can be made which we all know has been very very difficult that's where you would go go ahead and manchester. you know. the implied deal here i mean what is the deal. the implied deal is for $50000000000.00 the palestinian birthright in return for tickets or a lottery using other people's money they might not win on anyway. they will give up all their rights and land that is in fact. more or less explicit in some of his recent statement by saying that the the arab peace initiative with

no basis for negotiations by thing among palestinians he is far as he knew it was only technocratic people who wanted to argue about these or quit facts of sovereignty and right and land and the ordinary people just wanted to get a life. to the absurd. and self serving thinking dignifying it with the wrong word here it's not really thinking i mean if it was serious anything it's worth asking ourselves what would a serious plan look like what it would include these 2 elements which are absent one compensation for settlers who would be routed from the settlements on the any imaginable peace deal and secondly the fund to help returning a number a limited number possibly of returning palestinian refugees it's not even touched

on a mere immediately gerrard cushiony he told he writes i'm just a couple of words here and a healthy economy while it's a healthy population but the trumping ministration is really withdrawn all kinds of funds from the palestinians particularly in building hospitals in east jerusalem. a recognition of the p.l.o. represented. in washington i could go on and on and then his son in law is saying we need a healthy palestine i mean what is going on here i mean did anybody in the state department read it i mean or just because he's the son in law you get a blank check i mean it's patently absurd what is being written here talking about health conditions and how you can grow the g.d.p. well if you have a military occupation it's going to hardly grow in g.d.p. when you can't move around you have limited choices for work and you have huge unemployment i mean what in the world this is about go ahead in tel aviv. well it's

a bipolar policy and the 2 poles can be summed up by one word and this is fine if you are fine with my poli sci you'll get a lot of incentives if not i'm going to fine you and you're going to pay a lot and the only precedent in american history for such a proposal goes back to who was. the native americans $24.00 worth of colored beads for the island of manhattan perhaps this is where the from send the question it's got their idea now we are giving them too much credit by calling it a play and a proposal all they wanted to do is to get away from their campaign pledge of 3 years ago to solve the palestinian israeli conflict of course they were very cocky about the we will succeed where everybody before us failed they don't have anything

up the sleeves but they had to come up with something so be published this proposal knowing full well that nothing will come out of fear and those countries who need the united states for protection against iran in the gulf very obedient police showed up again that is going on so that's where we're going to go in the 2nd part of this program i decided up the 1st half the. am is it was a bribe that nobody's going to take i would say after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the deal of the century stay with r.t. . it's hard to take some from somebody if you know have some to replacing. we want to do

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don't hate. this kid who want to. give. you a kind of a system definition in. the new shithead. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered i'm peter lavelle to remind you we're discussing the deal of the century. ok let's go back to your scene in tel aviv amir did at the very end of the 1st part

of the program he mentioned iran and can we put this deal and maybe the trumpet ministrations approach to the israel and the middle east and iran into context here are there any real connections here because we have we have countries in the middle east that. talking about outside of the palestinians in israel it's it looks like you know the trump administration is looking for some kind of grand strategy and that grand strategy obviously is to create some kind of coalition against iran and we're living in very dangerous times right now how well founded is the trump administration's quest for this coalition. well. these things are connected in their way their reason their reason quite lesion a broad coalition though you can call it this. is some sort of in the israeli mind their participation in the mainly by providing intelligence and some.

of the wear and software to united arab emirates to saudi arabia is to defend themselves against the iranian threat. iran is a major is a major. topic for the trumpet ministration and they sideline the palestinian issue. as i said earlier united arab emirates beholding saudi arabia egypt and even jordan who are on the run we are forced to participate in their behind rain conference peace peace conference the konami conferences deal of the century which is actually maybe a deal of the day so these things are connected iran is a major major problem for the united states and for israel and saudi arabia one shouldn't deny it and therefore this is the main focus of the conference is not

important or peter the same question to you i mean what what what is the confines of all of this because i mean i ended the 1st part of the program by calling the deal of the century a bribe that no one is going to take and we know that at the conference in brain a lot of low level people are attending i mean if it's not somebody you know there's no real hot tickets they're ok i mean i guess it's kind of a lame attempts to not to deal with real realities i mean i think the trump and ministrations approach to iran is farcical it's making it far far worse ok it's not using diplomacy as supply see should be used we don't need another regional war and certainly trumps base isn't interested in it either go ahead peter. lightly surprise they've gone ahead with it on the timing. of almost literally a flame i don't hold it would have been why the put it off for

a few weeks because at the moment going to be a propaganda gift through terror on. terror around propaganda mill they're already worrying the loud way. the bahraini thing is an embarrassment in fact of the gulf countries the going to it that they're holding their noses. and trying to smuggle it past their own public opinion which again they did the whole thing is an embarrassment and actually a propaganda gift to iran. i mean from what i understand it was the american side that decided that in israeli delegation shouldn't show up because the arab countries were sending such low level officials apparently the saudis wanted to make it look like there's some kind of unity within the arab league among arab elites and israel but they took it off the table at the last 2nd without

a wise move. it was inevitable because if the palestinians don't show up it was going to look people so one sided so much american israeli accius that there would be no point in even holding the show but you mentioned earlier the electoral base. is aiming polisi at this base and jelly cool and also include some right wing jewish supporters and donors big time contributors no doubt about that no doubt about that he doesn't go ahead. right so for them he wants he wants to show that he is supportive of israel and dismissive of the palestinians and also he wants to show that this is one of his campaign pledges

that he at least made a good effort to fulfill if it didn't come to pass so be it now looks towards the next elections and he wants to check the box and move ahead you don't see under this administration an ambiguous lee the trumpet ministration is openly and very forcefully pro israel as the least see it ok how does that how is that bad for any kind of peace process when there are so many pieces that we need to have in the middle east but if the united states is abandon it's it's a broker position that it prided itself on for decades and i don't think it was a fair broker but at least it was a pretense of being a fair broker but now with this switch here i mean how does that bode for the region. are absolutely right even on their more balanced of the many stray

shamisen like that barak obama administration or even. to bush's administrations still united states was very favorable. and supportive of israel and that was the major palestinian complaint nowadays on their drugs there is nothing even do to compare when these up salute 300 percent not only on these or any side. under percent on one side of israel and this is the right wing the layers. and the netanyahu and therefore if you really want to make progress in the middle east or at least in these really are palestinian conflict you need to have better. and more by. unfortunately it's not going to happen. all the not all i would say trumps for him polly see if he has any. is just in shambles regarding north korea

regatta in russia or regarding china. in the middle east as well especially in these really palestinian conflict ok peter i will give you a hypothetical ok go ahead i mean at some point in the program jump in. ok you said that this is the american policy pro israel he has not brought israeli these pro benjamin netanyahu ok good governor good point thank you thank you. yes that's fair good point this is this is not known this is this is not. to be identical with israel the good of the israeli people and the electorate here is split down the middle at the most. and his followers re present broadly half of the population and most of the

more thoughtful israelis are against his policy a mere thank you for correcting me on my own program i stand corrected you're absolutely right let me go to peter now with my hypothetical ok donald trump finds out the reception of his son in law is a plan everyone's laughing at it so what donald trump does being unpredictable as he is he calls you up peter and ask you to be his special envoy in the middle east what's the 1st thing you would do. because you have the qualifications for it you could do the job. i have to say mr president you have to go back to your starting point but what are very much afraid his plan is that he will not withstanding the poor reception of the economic plan we're going to press ahead with plan a. which anticipated i think this kind of reception it must have done anyone with half

a brain could have foreseen what was happening they put on the table after the israeli elections the political blueprint which will involve an almost total capitulation. of 90 percent of the land to israel and then he'll say well we offered to do for this fantastic amount of money if you turned it down now you turning down our political plan to give you back some of your land and end of story end of story we're going to recognize israel's sovereignty over the the west bank or big chunks of it that that that is where we're headed that is where we headed regard with what anyone drive through him. you know you know show you that i mean that's a really good point because it seems like could be the trumpet ministration is seeking a greater israel because netanyahu has been hinting at it about the annexation of the good part of the west bank if not all of it here and of certainly the united

states would not object even though that was. not something any other administration had even contemplated how would that change the dynamic because if it's ok that u.s. and then maybe a few of its allies would recognize it but most of the world will not do that how does that change the dynamic in the palestine israel conflict go ahead yossi yes sir still i'm not sure the drunk really cares about annexation equal to the ones you have bibi wanted and he wants to make people happy that's that's the point and the mayor it did a really good job of explaining that. exactly that was exactly 22nd they 2nd sentence i'm going was going to say he doesn't care about settlements he doesn't care about an exception he he wants to support netanyahu as as i mentioned he are very supportive of the israeli right wingers and this and they are friends of the

settlers now. why is israel annexed this part of the west bank and it would be a slow process it would not be overnight and need to then accession would take would take. place in chunks once it is completed and it's the end of any israeli palestinian. even imagine or possible author already peace aleutian and may leave. it would have it's wrong we think aish is on the israeli itself for days really psyche on the israeli public on israeli economy because many countries eventually would treat israel they'll write something. i'm just treating israel like a 2nd south africa part of the night boycott so ok on that point gentlemen i will have to jump in here that's the 1st time i've done a program dealing with israel and the palestinians who were there wasn't

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