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of course our newsroom is following the situation in the we'll bring you the full details next hour as it comes across as coming up on the argument. that the u.s. peace plan for the middle east they. alone welcome the cross-talk where all things are considered. parts of. this century have been made public and the reception has not been good focusing on aid and infrastructure the deal is silent on the most contentious political issues and for all intensive purposes the long proposed 2 state solution appears to be dead is the deal of the century dead on arrival.

crosstalk in the deal of the century i'm joined by my guest peter ford in manchester he's a former british ambassador to bahrain and syria and a senior official with the u.n. agency for palestine refugees until 2015 in tel aviv we have amir oren he is a defense and government commentator also in tel aviv we have yossi melman he is a senior israeli security writer and commentator hi gentlemen crossed the rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate let's go to embassador peter in manchester. how what's your reception of questioners a deal i mean let's be clear with our audience here that this is the economic part of it where other parts are going to be released in short order but it's it's very difficult to conceive having an economic plan of this magnitude we don't know where the money is going to come from we don't know who's going to pay for it we really don't know who is going to benefit from it if it comes to fruition but how can you

have a plan like this without a political framework to move forward because there's a military occupation of palestinian lands i mean how can you talk about infrastructure when you haven't dealt with that issue go ahead peter. absolutely i don't think this plan is serious. if you read the $96.00 page plan it reads like a real estate prospectus for thumb utopian maybe one of donald trump's real estate development thora new golf course where the palestinians perhaps would have jobs with cad even greenskeeper is looking after it for the israelis only the territory know it this plan is no serious at all and we have to ask ourselves why we're even discussing it in thorough serious on every level even on its own terms and economic blueprint it doesn't make sense. nothing

important segment like control of movement how can that possibly happen until you know movement from where to where what what is going to be the palestinian territory which is going to see all the utopian development it's not serious ok the same question to you i mean you're in tel aviv what is your take on questioners deal of the century as they're calling it. well i'm afraid if you wanted to have a real conflict on this show you're not going to have any because you can choose your term amateur dealer tons charlatans whatever you want to call jarrett question or a just bring blood and the others they are really no experts on the middle east and it's a pity that the united states which brought forward people like george boult szell and henry kissinger and jim baker is now at the hands of people like donald trump

and his associates they understand nothing about diplomacy and nothing about the middle east it's even insulting it's like. trying to give someone a buck shish. in order for him to give up what he really values sovereign statehood his capital and all of that and it's really too much to waste a lot of time on it and one can only ask every toric a question would these rallies agree to sell their own national dignity and national lend or even the settlements in the west bank for a price tag of $50000000000.00 or $500000000000.00 or whatever the would be ok you're seeing in tel aviv i mean the supporters of this deal or are spinning it is a middle east marshall plan we already heard marshall's name mentioned already i mean but i don't really understand how it works i mean if the countries that are

involved or are egypt lebannon jordan israel the palestinian lands i mean who's going to make those decisions i mean i seriously doubt it we know all due respect israel's going to want to see the palestinians spending $5050000000000.00 or any part of that ok i mean obviously it would seem like since it's coming from the questionnaire that he would want the israelis to be spending that money i mean how would it all these other countries want to get involved in something like that when it's unclear if it's going to be in their national interests go ahead you know see in. yes i agree with me or it's a nonstarter for it for a diplomatic breakthrough it's even kind of when the end because the groom and the bride are not taking part in the party israelis and palestinian leaders are absent. from the meeting in. the

8 pm may be some sort of log had it been preceded 1st of all it by. the political negotiations and then you could have come forward with their an economic package now the idea of the economic backer g.'s not bad at all for its sales. the idea is that jordan which is under tremendous economic pressure egypt which is. deteriorating every day and lebanon which is a host of many palestinian refugees would benefit from which would be part of kind of solving the palestinian problem it's interesting but without at diplomatic. 1 negotiations with the we doubt that the docs

it's a nonstarter there it's just a joke and yes it's typical of the drop of the ministration and my final comment would be you have to we have to understand who is behind the plan who has designed the plan it's trump and joe is there any special. green bulb and we have a nice and u.s. ambassador in this rail david friedman all of them are support there is all of the of the settlements they are friends of the settlers and they are against and they are against the palestinian state that 2 state solution and in favor of it is really an extension of the occupied territories ok well i'm kind of disappointed that we're all in such agreement tara but we're pledging it out and it's really important peter i mean this this deal looks like it's repackaging the occupation that's all it's doing it's putting a nice you know it is tying a little bow over something that has existed for decades and and shared question it

certainly is not approaching that because you can't deal with these economic issues i'm going to agree with the only with without dealing with the political i mean that's what you that's where you start ok in the economic infrastructure if a political arrangement can be made which we all know it's been very very difficult that's where you would go go ahead and manchester. you know. the implied deal here i mean what is the deal. the implied deal is for $50000000000.00 the palestinian birthright in return for tickets or a lottery using other people's money they might not win on anyway. they will give up all right and lend that is in fact. more or less explicit in some of his recent statement by saying that the the arab peace initiative with no basis for negotiations by saying among palestinians

he is far as he knew it was only technocratic people who wanted to argue about these or quit facts of sovereignty and right and land and the ordinary people just wanted to get a life that this is the. 3rd. self serving thinking dignifying it with the wrong word here it's not really thinking i mean if it was serious anything it's worth asking ourselves what would a serious plan look like what it would include these 2 elements which are absent one compensation for the settlers who would be routed from the settlements on the any imaginable peace deal and secondly the fund to help returning a number a limited number possibly of returning palestinian refugees it's not even touched

on a mere immediately gerrard cushiony he told he writes i'm just a couple of words here in a healthy economy while it's a healthy population but the trumping ministration is really withdrawn all kinds of funds from the palestinians. particularly in building hospitals in east jerusalem. a recognition of the p.l.o. represented. nation in washington i could go on and on and then his son in law is saying we need a healthy palestine i mean what is going on here i mean did anybody in the state department read it i mean or just because he's the son in law you get a blank check i mean it's patently absurd what is being written here talking about health conditions and how you can grow the g.d.p. well if you have a military occupation it's kind of hard to grow a g.d.p. when you can't move around you have limited choices for work and you have huge unemployment i mean what in the world is this about go ahead in tel aviv. well it's a bipolar policy and the 2 poles can be summed up by one word and this is fine

if you are fine with my poli sci you'll get a lot of incentives if not i'm going to fine you and you're going to pay a lot and the only precedent in american history for such a proposal goes back to who was it beats a minute to gave the native americans $24.00 worth of colored beads for the island of manhattan perhaps this is where the trumps and the question is got their idea now we are giving them too much credit by calling it a play in a proposal all they wanted to do is to get away from their campaign pledge of 3 years ago to solve the palestinian israeli conflict of course they were very cocky about the we will succeed where everybody before us failed they don't have anything up their sleeves but they had to come up with something so be published this

proposal knowing full well that nothing will come out of feet and those countries who need the united states for protection against iran in the gulf very obedient to the showed up again very willing that this is going on so that's where we're going to go in the 2nd part of this program i just i'm up the 1st half the program is it was a bribe but nobody's going to take i would say after a short break we'll continue our discussion on the deal of the century state party . join me every 1st day on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to guest of the world of politics. doesn't this i'm show business i'll see that.

it's hard to take some from somebody if you know have some to replace. the want to do this interview today i want to use the market in that they take me. there. so i'm going to tell you stop selling drugs if we'll hire somebody put the money in a box. they just mean all the way to life it's almost if a sickly mccullers peaceful for us all. to us what's a good many security positions of the us you know. david jack me again. you see people get all their cars and i'll see you coming in the heart and this seems like they'll hurry up and run into the house like they don't want to they don't want to talk to your get your mail or anything like that.

you know. just try reading a. chance to give me. welcome back to cross talk we're all things are considered on people about your mind you were discussing the deal of the century. ok let's go back to your scene in tel aviv amir did at the very end of the 1st part of the program he mentioned iran and can we put this deal and maybe just the trumpet ministrations approach to the to israel and the middle east and iran into context here are there any real can. actions here because we have we have countries in the middle east that the. talking about outside of the palestinians in israel

it's is it looks like you know the trump administration is looking for some kind of grand strategy and that grand strategy obviously is to create some kind of coalition against iran and we're living in very dangerous times right now how well founded is the trump administration's quest for this coalition. well. these things are connected in their way their reason there is a coalition of bro a broad coalition of you can call it this. is some sort of in the israeli mind or participation in the mainly by providing intelligence and some. of the wear and software to united arab emirates to some of the arabia is to defend themselves against the iranian threat. iran is a major is a major. topic for the trumpet ministration and they sidelined the

palestinian issue. as i said earlier united arab emirates by hurricane saudi arabia egypt and even jordan who are on the run we're forced to participate in their behind rain conference peace peace conference to get konami confreres deal of the century which is actually maybe a deal of the day so these things are connected iran is a major major problem for the united states and for israel and saudi arabia one shouldn't deny that and therefore this is their main focus. for us is not important or peter the same question to you i mean what what is the confines of all of this because i mean i ended the 1st part of the program by calling the deal of the century a bribe that no one is going to take and we know that at the conference and brain

a lot of low level people are attending i mean if it's not somebody you know there's no real hot tickets they're ok i mean i guess it's kind of a lame attempt at the not to deal with real realities i mean i think the trump and ministrations approach to iran is farcical it's making it far far worse ok it's not using diplomacy as supply see should be used we don't need another regional war and certainly trumps base isn't interested in it either go ahead peter. lightly surprise they've gone ahead with it on the timing. of almost literally a flame i don't hold it would have been why the put it off for a few weeks because at the moment going to be a propaganda gift who terror on. terror around propaganda mill they're already worrying the loud way. the meeting is going and burthen and

in fact the gulf countries the going to it that they're holding than those who is. trying to smuggle it through their own public opinion which again did the whole thing is an embarrassment and actually a propaganda gift to iran. i mean from what i understand it was the american side that decided that in israeli delegation shouldn't show up because the arab countries were sending such low level officials apparently the saudis wanted to make it look like there's some kind of unity within the arab elise among arab elites and israel but they took it off the table at the last 2nd without a wise move. it was inevitable because if the palestinians don't show up it was going to look people so one sided so much american israeli accius that there would be no point

in even holding the show but you mentioned earlier the electoral base which. is aiming polisi at this base and jelly and also includes some right wing jewish supporters and donors big time contributors no doubt about that no no doubt about that he doesn't go ahead. right so for them he wants he wants to show that he is supportive of israel and dismissive of the palestinians and also he wants to show that this is one of his campaign pledges that he at least made a good effort to fulfill if it didn't come to pass so be now looks towards the next elections and he won't stop to check the box and move ahead

you don't see under this administration unambiguous lee the trumpet ministration is openly and very forcefully pro israel as the least see it ok how does that how is that bad for any kind of peace process when there are so many pieces that we need to have in the middle east but if the united states is abandon it's it's a broker position that it prided itself on for decades and i don't think it was a fair broker but at least it was a pretense of being a fair broker but now with this switch here i mean how does that bode for the region. you are absolutely right even under more balanced of the mini stray shamisen like that barak obama administration or even. to bush administrations still united states was very favorable. and supportive of israel and that was the major palestinian complaint nowadays on their

drugs there is nothing even due to compare with these up salute 300 percent not only on these ready sites. 100 percent on one side of israel and this is the right wing layers. and therefore if you really want to make a progress in the middle east or at least in these really are palestinian conflict you need it bad there are more. and more by. unfortunately it's not going to happen and all the not all i would say trumps for him polly see if he has any. is just in shambles regarding north korea regarded russia or regarding china. in the middle east as well especially in these really palestinian conflict ok peter i will give you a hypothetical ok go ahead i mean at some point of the program jump in.

ok you said that this is the american policy pro israel has not brought israeli these pro benjamin netanyahu ok good governor good point thank you thank you. yes that's fair good point this is this is not known this is this is not. to be identical with israel the good of the israeli people and the electorate here is split down the middle to most. and his followers resent broadly half of the population and most of the more thoughtful israelis are against his policy amir thank you for correcting me on my own program i stand corrected you're absolutely right let me go to peter now with my hypothetical ok donald trump finds out the reception of his son in law is

a plan everyone's laughing at it so what donald trump does being unpredictable as he is he calls you up peter and ask you to be his special envoy in the middle east what's the 1st thing you would do. because you have the qualifications for it you could do the job. have truth with the president you have to go back through your starting point but what are very much afraid clan is not with them. during the poor reception of the economic plan we're going to press ahead with plan a. which anticipated i think this kind of reception it must have done anyone with half a brain could have foreseen what was happening they put on the table after the israeli elections the political blueprint which will involve an almost total capitulation. of 90 percent of the land to israel

and then he'll say well we offered this fantastic amount of money if you turned it down now you turning down our political plan to give you back some of your land and end of story end of story we're going to recognize israel's sovereignty over the the west bank or big chunks of it that that that is where we're headed that is where we headed regardless of what anyone drive through him. you know you know she and i mean that's a really good point because it seems like could be the trumpet ministration is seeking a greater israel because netanyahu has been hinting at it about the annexation of the good part of the west bank if not all of it here and certainly the united states would not object even though that was. not something any other administration had even contemplated how would that change the dynamic because if it's ok that u.s. and then maybe

a few of its allies would recognize it but most of the world will not do that how does that change the dynamic in the palestine israel conflict go ahead yossi yes sir still i'm not sure the drunk really cares about annexation equal to the ones you have been b.b. wanted and he wants to make people happy that's that's the point and the mayor it did a really good job of explaining that. that was exactly play 2nd they 2nd sentence i'm going was going to say he doesn't care about settlements he doesn't care about an exception he he wants to support netanyahu as as i mentioned he are very supportive of the israeli right wingers and this and they are friends of the settlers now. once israel annexed this part of the west bank and it would be a slow process it would not be overnight and need to then accession would take would take. place in chunks once it is completed

then did the end of the israeli palestinian. even imagine or possible or through already peace aleutian and may leave. it would have it's wrong we think a shoe is on the israeli itself for days really psyche on the israeli public on israeli economy because many countries eventually will treat israel they'll write some. treating israel like a 2nd south africa partite boycott so ok of it on that point gentlemen i will have to jump in here this is the 1st time i've done a program dealing with israel and the palestinians who were there wasn't a blow out a very thankful to all of you many thanks to my guests in tel aviv and in manchester and thanks to our viewers for watching us here at r.t.c. unix time and remember rostock roles.

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