hello welcome to. believe this showdown between washington and tehran is a lot like the united states clash with north korea 2 years ago except for one crucial difference there is no regional ally capable or even the willing to restrain. the barbs traded and sanctions imposed what could stop the united states from sliding into yet another middle eastern war to discuss that i'm now joined by david morris and author of dangerous delusion why the west is wrong about nuclear iran mr morrison's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time. now back in 2013 you published a book with be there all born making a rational argument against a war with iran and i think many of the points you made back then there are still

valid but do you think this whole debate on iran especially in the united states is still within the reality of rationality do rational arguments still matter well the basic facts of disappeared really from public view. the united states spent 10 years from 2003 to 2013 attempting to coerce around into giving up. rich rooms. even though that was around. the p.t. which allowed enrichment and other activities as long as it was. for. civil and not mostly purposes. despite their best efforts they got sanctions imposed by the u.n. security council they imposed sanctions themselves obama did and when most of 2000 . 12 i think. nevertheless they. continued with their enrichment program as they

were entitled to do and then they talk with a situation in which they have about $20000.00 centrifuges which about half were actually functioning. time of course the there are the activity then your character you know the. iranians was was on her the supervision of the. on an all time they fund absolutely no diversion of your material. for nuclear purposes well it's one so far that a few days ago the united states and iran seem to be on the brink of a war but if we are to believe media reports donald trump called off a strike on the run based in part on consultations if he's favorite t.v. anchor i'm sure that both of us are relieved that this strike didn't happen but this mode of decision making about the matters of war and peace doesn't it send

chills down your spine yes i mean unfortunately there's one arcturian on this is just is not rush no. it's the united states i mean iran is comparatively rational about all these things and you can predict as to what's going to happen not least because. a tone trumps chief advisor and this is one john bolton who. is for everybody in favor of taking military action against iran and indeed over regime change in iran he he wrote an op ed in the annals of turn 2015 i think it was suggesting that the united states should bomb around nonexistent nuclear weapons program. he undoubtedly was to the poor and inviting trump to take military action a few days ago by trump tree bark. i'm certain sure there are going to be over

instances in which he will get military action and maybe next time trump will not drop by i mean it's overly rational because. there is no iran hasn't got a nuclear weapons program. is never how the nuclear weapons program the j c p a way has restricted the imbalance of enrich uranium it can. keep on its own soil it come it. couldn't possibly make a nuclear weapon even if it thought so done through the years the us and terms said look we can always tell if it moves away from the current level of enrichment which is largely required for nuclear power towards higher levels of richmond that are needed for for. a bomb you just mentioned a moment ago that the president. was almost proud for having called off a military strike and having stood up to john bolton but at the same time he also

doubled down on verbal assaults and personal sanctions against the supreme leader off or on. i agree with you it's very difficult to understand the transactions but do you take that as a now for this an american effort to diffuse or on the contrary to your ratchet up the pressure insofar as they have promised to put pressure on iran that what they really expect to gain from go to the nose i mean. to meet them. around what was about a year ago in which there were 12 points in which which were impossible to believe that iran would ever. giving up their nuclear program altogether and included apparently withdrawing from syria and stopping giving aid and assistance to has will i mean none of that's going to happen so their end game is god only knows the world should be saying with one voice. particularly europe should be say with one

voice is this crisis is made in washington this crisis is arisen from the fact that the united states. is violating international sanctions by the security council. this should be said over and over again iran is innocent in this matter it was sticking to the britain sent an envoy to run the other day just bloody capital to go to you mean he should go to washington because that's where it's going to be stopped it will be stopped but they do you really think that if the europeans are have enough capacity enough geopolitical leverage to stop the americans from doing anything i mean though with all due seriousness is there any power in the world that can make the united states at this point of time seek by its own dill. very difficult. the strongest power in the world and it's very difficult to see how they can be stopped but if you just acquiesce and europe

is mostly acquiescing in this breach it hasn't gone very much for around to help the situation and which is being strangled economically if you sit quiet surely nothing's going to renew any positive thing or 2 out of us are foreign minister who . was standing there leadership of the conservative party actually said in the house of commons i think yesterday it would be very very unlikely he couldn't it was a situation in which britain would join in military action against around the law of the united states so suppose you should be thankful for something you mentioned some of the things that could be done but what i'm mostly concerned is the this theater of affairs in the middle east because. while trump seems to be proud of not rushing into war the overall security situation is very tenuous we still don't know what and who did the all those attacks on the oil tankers those attacks may repeat again they may be. something else involving god for beats on american casualties

that would require a prompt american reaction i mean i understand that i sound like a conspiracy theorist but is it possible to explain what's going on in that region without suspecting some foul play. it's it's very difficult very difficult to say i mean that under certain russia has. suggested that perhaps ron was right in saying that the drone was inside. her space when there's been a short time but i wouldn't like to guess as to who's responsible for her actions against shipping the go. these days whenever things happen he ask yourself over time who gains from what even may look as if they have the answer is obvious i mean we just had a serious an in. the so-called chemical weapons until last year which you know stance on britain and france on syria turns out as it looks very very like as if

that was in fact a staged event. i don't know who was responsible really because i apologise of they had the russian one of the russian security chiefs and he went even further to suggest that all the evidence that the americans have so far presented as as if they were the evidence of the rainy and culpability were based on poor intelligence and it really looks like there is something going on the view of the with the intelligence data tromp is all from the cues of not trusting the american intelligence do you think he actually has a reason of being at least suspect of what he's given and asked to make his decisions on well he would have a right to be because john bolton is famous for when he was part of the bush administration. for. written and intelligence support cuba.

actually wanted to of his way to say that of course. is his is quite willing to lie. if the need arises so who would you believe some say who. seems to be content to live or to live or thoughts sort of situation to some extent i think we've seen this story before with north korea the escalation of tensions there ratcheting up of sanctions followed by summits and claims of mitchell affection but i think there is one key difference and that is the air role that is played by the american ally in the region south korea was leading be the outreach to you on north korea but he in this particular case israel seems to be very very belligerent do you think there is any connection between this geopolitical situation surrounding big golf amman and perhaps an israeli domestic situation israel has this right behind it's been trying for about 20 years to

get america to talk around but by essentially you know they're inventing earnings are generating well iran is doing and then you're so you. it's it would be absolutely delighted if it could persuade the u.s. at least to attack your facilities or some to sort of. whether israel is going to supplying information which is that's a little less than the truth i couldn't really say ok well mr marson we have to take a short break now but we will be back in just a few moments. they are owed for birds or. 440 but sir.

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the. welcome back to worlds apart but david morrison and author all the danger is delusion why the west is wrong about nuclear iran mr morrison one of the reasons why these townships have been so for attractive is because it's not entirely clear what the disagreement is really about is it about the iran suppose or the intention to build a nuclear bomb or is it perhaps. america's and israel's desire to see a different government in tact what is it as far as you're concerned i think there is. little doubts that it's it's about. making sure are trying to make sure

it's iraq's par and in the middle east is at least as restrained if not diminished neither on the on the case of. some people on undoubtedly israel they would very much like to see a change or regime wish and hope that they would get some regime that was. less willing and able to stand up against people who attack a right side but they are there one thing i've been convinced of for many years is that nuclear then your business is just a pretext i mean the best evidence of that i have come across for that is when in i think it was november 2007. the u.s. intelligence services produced a national intelligence estimate on this issue and. stated that

as far as they were concerned. didn't have a nuclear weapons program. george bush was angry about the he was angry but he said in his book that he was angry because this meant that he could no longer. make it more difficult for him to maintain the diplomatic pressure on iran and there's no way he could attack around militarily and circumstances in which. didn't and your weapons program so obviously the whole bloody business about the weapons program was just a pretense it was just a stick to beat around with and to use for the purpose of working on people against iran. unfortunately the u.s. intelligence services broke a stick well interesting that you keep referring to iran's possible mean you can't program because just the other day john bolton was on record saying that there was

quote no evidence that iran made a strategic decision to renounce nuclear weapons so he takes it for granted that iran has actually accepted nuclear weapons as part of its policy of each i'm sure where they agree with me never it never happened around never has. your clear weapons program in any meaningful sense iran has never has never find any nuclear material being diverted from the purpose of. that is the big fact and all the time this is richmond has been going on. it's been done under a supervision it's still being done on a supervision when the j.c. . limits are exhausted in whatever many years time 10 years 20 years in some instances then you know iran's nuclear program will still be on her the.

servatius of the day and they have known all along. what around the. doing to what level of your enemy has been enriched now in your book you actually go to some of the origins of how it all began failing to disclose its have a what are your any and facility in the towns which the united states and israel eagerly as proof of its bomb building intentions but i draw it from your book that iran a dot point of time didn't even have to disclose that facility in the 1st place how come. they were told where the. uranium enrichment facility was sure they were in the process of building. on which the released evidence of evidence on data provided by israel the. point in time the agreement they had with the. they meant they didn't. disclose.

their plans to construct facilities. i think it was 6 months prior to them putting your rhenium nuclear material into it so they were in the. sand afterwards and there were reports they weren't breaking any rules not regard and they certainly want to bring in the rules about their every water plant because every water is not a nuclear material and iran was still. eager to pursue some trust building measures to quote unquote restore the international community's trust in its nuclear program but many of the iranian officials i interviewed kind of suspected that this trust building measures were just the cover for a total of revoking permanent revoking iran's right to enrich uranium granted to it under the nonproliferation treaty it seems like you actually agree with the ranee

an argument here that all this negotiation international negotiate. it was not about building trust but actually about a permanent ban on iran's nuclear research industry the situation was negotiated and really went wrong nothing from above 2003 to 2 sources and 5 with. european ones. including the u.k. and various points i wrote iran suspended. various nuclear activity. temporarily at the request of the europeans but. eventually when the europeans came up with their plan. for the future of the nuclear industry in and around it for iran to enrich uranium for.

iran's rights under the years me not a point in 2005. iran and i did was mr zarif so if there is no foreign minister put forward. by. iran would attempt to gain. the confidence of the world that its activity was not for military purposes. the it was it was rejected out of hand. the europeans even though it provided for an extraordinary level of supervision by the way. offered to turn enrich uranium into uranium robes right away. so that it would be more difficult to reverse the process and further and rich the material for weapons for officers. the europeans where but the europeans were doing america's will america said they were told they were told straightforwardly

we don't want any. centrifuges are operating in and around europe obeyed now are the europeans may have been doing the american bidding at that time but clearly there are now divisions a bit in europe and the united states on how to receive the european still want iran to comply with a j c p o e bay americans insist on they've essentially i think permanent ban on the iranian enrichment whatsoever and just the other day donald trump promised a rainy and a booming economy if they were to abandon their rights you can reach is there any reason any rational reason for the rain ians to say yes to trump's proposal will. you come and sympathize with reunions when they say. this is all norms.

the potential for a very i'm calling me on to he. decided to violet the international treaty that was astonishing 2015. and proceeded to turn to strangle around economically and. but you know this this all stars for america and it really is it is time for the europeans to say with emphasize that with a low voice and. a great deal more to support around in the trouble it's been placed in by the us administration i really do think. europeans have been. really knocked. them for size and off the degree to which around as an innocent party i mean they can keep joining in all the time with the solution that

iran is the norm is destabilizing factor in the middle east i mean it didn't turn iraq into a bloody mess for syria and a bloody mess you know. who's the stimulating and city in the middle east and its capital is washington speaking of which the u.s. state department has just rolled out while demands including abandoning the iranian ballistic missiles program withdrawing from syria and obvious things that many of the countries around the world that gauge it but iran for some reason should not be allowed to and to me it really looks like the americans out asking the iranians to concede that they are indeed a pariah state with no sovereign rights whatsoever i'm sure the chances of that happening. 0 but do you think in general it's a good way of framing the issue in conducting international policy thing going out with a country just because you don't trust the denying you all the rides that

a given all the other neighbors thinking but there's more and so he has a really very road you know of the situation in which the most powerful nuclear power in the middle east that is actually used nuclear weapons this is siding with a major part of the middle east which has got loads of your weapons and means of delivering them through to the capitals of the middle east if not for. here they are attempting to strangle a state that has gotten new nuclear weapons and has a. you know spends almost a pittance on arms compared to the united states. and even that's too much apparently that. they're not allowed to help their diverse when the neighbors are asked like in the iraq and syria. on the other hand you know. united states can come halfway around the world and enter fear in syria against the

wishes of the state of syria and israel seem party that's joining with the united states in a. kind of tight iran almost a. movie is crazy well mr morsi when you put it like that it's really depressing by the unfortunate if this is the world that we live in anyway we have to leave it there thank you very much for sharing your perspective with that thank you i invite our viewers to keep this conversation going in our social media pages. same place same time here on worlds apart.

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