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before this outburst she said this what do we see the labor party to one of. us was inviting rebel leaders of the insurgency into the house of commons the m.p. in question was lloyd russell moyle and he rescinded his invitation to a man who denies being one of the leaders of the yemeni insurgency up without shammy executive director of the arabian rights watch association ngo was a mediator it recent un facilitated human talks arranged with on boy martin griffiths in jordan he joins me now aren't welcome to going underground so you're invited to parliament as part of the stop the war coalition labor's lloyd russell model you know on this show says on further investigation it's become clear to be inappropriate to give this person you a public platform the accusation i presume being of anti semitism in the ad on the other hand you are obviously someone who knows a fair deal in your position exactly as executive director of the arabian rights
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watch association about the world's worst humanitarian crisis so basically i was shocked yesterday to receive this news and i was prepared to discuss on speak in the parliament and share with them that humanitarian catastrophe any m.n. there the situation and what what what kind of initiatives that are available to be made to help yemeni people to reach a political constellation a political theme or a road map you know to reach a solution they only listen to one part of the story they want to censor the other parts of the stories you know to flex maybe the u.k. government alliances with the saudi inamorata led coalition and the yemeni war we'll get on saudi in a bit but i got to tell you lloyd russell moyle is a champion of human rights who is certainly no great fan of this government he's on the u.k. parliamentary committee on arms banks were controlled but just to be clear reuters has a wire up on the internet the hoody represented. given the jordanian capital that
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recent un facilitated talks you aren't the hoochie representative why why why would there be that mislabeling well the thing is and that's with all the agreements that happened between. via the envoy martin gryphus government and the de facto government will they always refer to had the government and the yemeni government because it's international by the international community they refer to the de facto government as the who thinks so anybody who comes from anybody who speaks or is against this war in general who against aggression and the against they join or the occupation of yemen in general is directly be part of the community they categorize everybody as a the right away. because they want the people to think that only who are against this war and or against this aggression at least and there are a lot of yemenis that are against this aggression and that's what we are trying to race to the international community and also to the u.k.
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parliament i want to take this opportunity to share this with them but when we. the board of deputies of british jews come on the show about why. you were effectively banned from the british parliament they weren't thanks for getting in touch but now that mr russell morrell the labor m.p. as rescinded the invitation to you we feel the matter is closed why do you think the board of deputies of british jews want you not to be invited to the house of cornwall i think that. they are supporting the war against them and that's i mean that's what that's what that's my only definition to it i mean they can use all the and all the words you know that about anti semitism and all that but that doesn't matter that's aside put this aside. if they really wanted peace should have heard everybody point of view and they should know that there are some steps to take you cannot isolate people. and keep bombing them every day and expect them just to be
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quiet and i'm sure they would say they stand up for human rights but as you might have seen with all the widespread press attention about yet again and the semitism allegations of the labor body the said they center on a particular logo of the community itself death to america death to israel cursed the jews how can anyone possibly support an organization which has cursed the jews as well the thing is i think these issues and these questions should be raised to the who think themselves really should answer them for me and the yemeni american just to let you know and so basically they've confused you as the main hooty negotiator perhaps from a reuters report who knows because you're in amman and they seem to be saying you cursed the jews presumably you're going to tell me now you will not believe. the think it's look they have their spin you can't tell me that you don't believe in cursing the jews well of course i mean i'm. against all hate speech as you know all
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hate speech is that as a human rights activist that's not good you know because how can you ask for peace and peace and do the opposite but the thing is what i'm trying to reach here is that the who think they have their own spokesperson and they have their own political delegation that is of course. it doesn't represent them all the presents all the sects and all the parties that are with them the d.p.c. the general people congress which is that the biggest party in yemen is with them and they went to the same one delegation from sun not to stall call to negotiate so it's not only the who they keep focusing on the who thieves and isolating all other parties and all other yemenis that are against this war and that's not fair well up until recently the british government was supporting the the war the bombing training the war plane pilots. bomb yemen in british planes they cannot do it
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anymore and i presume part of that was the hoodies or new arabian proxy and you're wrong there every other community in yemen at the moment is supporting the sort of rump government in the hideout in saudi arabia saying that the jewish community in yemen right now is supporting doesn't support the airstrikes the british bombers bombing him well there is there is a jewish community in yemen and believe me i'm shocked you know there are against this aggression and there are some jewish fighters that are fighting in the war against this this aggression this occupation but we have no proof of that at the end of the day a foreign invader is coming into yemen their country you know they're part of the yemeni community nobody can deny the fact you know that's one thing the other thing is that there's a kind of hypocrisy by the u.k. government and they're saying that all police you know they're going to support their strategic allies. which is the saudis and. by their core coalition and they
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continue selling weapons to them at the same time they say they've now stopped because of a court delete their campaign. against the british government is appealing there's an appeal that's what i'm saying but regardless you know then they say that they're concerned about the bombshells and the bloodshed that is going to replace one of the biggest donors to the humanitarian catastrophe well i wish that they donate as much as they gained from the profits from selling the weapons they think is now the yemeni yemeni people they don't really know members of the well i want to clarify this point you know that many people in general they gave up they don't have faith anymore and international community and in particular the u.k. government because the u.k. is the pin holder of the of the yemeni file in the security council and the think is it's not about raising concerns only how can i trust you and you still continue selling weapons stop selling their weapons and make it official. in fairness to the
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british government you know that the saudi arabian government has threatened to withdraw. security corporation as regards bombs on british streets if. you want to argument executive director of the world food program david beasley has claimed who was a diverting food aid from the hungry as people on earth that's the world food program will attacking there who sees and presumably in the same vein as you're talking about those opposed to the saudi bombing well the think is i believe because. it's always you that the who. is in the village interruption in this massive program is already on i know you raised it at the amman i met once she was the head of the world. foreign minister exactly i was talking about the corruption that happens on all humanitarian aid and she told me it happens in all the countries and as long as they can reach one poor person that's
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a success story for them ok but who are making. the official name or be a systems they are not going to are i don't think that anybody is making profit although the ones that are making profit are the ones who are selling the grains britain is appealing a court ruling on british arms sales what do you think finally does it say about britain in 2019 that someone like you from the arabian rights which association have seen the website with human rights council links exam lists internationally what does it say about britain then that you're not allowed to speak because you are considered an anti semite and a hater of jews well the think is this you know and the think is that all the people the wrote about me they don't know me and they've never heard me speak about it or talk about it or even discuss this with me even the m.p. himself you know i mean i was invited and i. to go there supposedly to go there and
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speak but it was canceled but let me tell you this we always an. association called for an independent international investigation to all war crimes all parties in the party. government the saudis. the u.s. the u.k. all the parties involved in this war i want to thank you and as i mentioned earlier in the interview the board of deputies of british jews told us thanks for getting in touch but now that mr russell boyle has rescinded the invitation we feel the matter is closed so we aren't doing any interviews we also invited margaret hodge m.p. jewish voice for labor and labor friends of israel all were unavailable after the break as the un condemned for actively silencing climate science and brazil's. mining plans in rain forests britain's shadow foreign secretary speaks to going underground about what a climate revolution means and a century to the day the world woke up to learn of the imperialist treaty of
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versailles revolutionary movements it was constructed to defeat only a small camera bought to have going underground. you know what i i don't want to talk to a communist news agency forgive me you'll have to find someone else. well with the trying to say with this. meaning of the. going to do just like the jews there exactly when my father. died.
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see into that where. we have to be the bad guys oh. 2 i think i acknowledge that. the fight false and it's an indication of how important martin but it's all. so that's also good because we have the left must move towards we are definitely winning it because we have the people they have people in power but we are in the
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a funny. video conference system definition in a head in a 7 hour news and am. welcome back this week for the ball student un special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights at the emergency will likely lead to climate apartheid impacting hundreds of millions of people not only undermining basic rights to water housing and life but democracy itself his comments came just before thousands protested climate in their action at westminster one protest was your record in shadow foreign secretary of the thornberry going on the ground caught up with her and asked what would happen if jeremy corbyn wins the next general election the importance of having new legislation and having tied to targets of making sure that measurably measurable properly but i think also what we also talk about and it kind
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of comes from who we are as a labor party is you know we have an industrial revolution in britain we were the 1st country to have an industrial revolution what we need to have is we need to have a green industrial revolution we need to be able to show people that actually change the way in which we do things will give them jobs as well not only will it save the planet but it also gives them a future and many of the areas that you know old industries well we need to make sure that they are responsible for the new industries and we've got a team that goes round and i mean i did one in the west midlands where we talked about climate change and how it would affect their area and what it is that they could be doing and in the west midlands they were saying well look we're the engine house of the business and industry in the u.k. we're small businesses give us the chance give us the opportunity and we're sufficiently sort of small and agile to be able to do what we need to lead and again what i was just saying a moment ago i think it's we have to be kind of honest about this and something as as as. as important is this has to be dealt with in
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a radical way and it has to be driven by governments and the has to be driven centrally and it needs to be i think it's something which fits naturally into the way the labor party sees things we think that if you need radical change has to come from central government and we shouldn't be afraid. to do that you call all spiegel to do it out of goodwill or hope that the somehow of the market will provide because it clearly isn't it clearly isn't a challenge this needs to be dealt with by central government completely committed to it and making sure that they are measuring everything they do against climate change and just finally of course. yes well brought in climate change and what is it means you possibly this fight against climate change. ok is a person a. personally i think i come from the selfish generation i think that my generation have not only killed all the tigers and you know the fish in a woman on the planet you know we've got the the pension funds and we call properties and we've got ownership and we've got the wealth i think on the 1st
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generation is passing the world on to my children the worst state and they stay i inherited it and i don't think that my children will forgive me i know should they if that's what i that's not my legacy i feel it very personally actually as a mother and as a politician you know and as somebody who wants to be to be proud as i go to my grave when i'm on my deathbed will i be thinking to myself that i do the right thing and at the moment i don't think we are british other foreign secretary thornberry that speaking to us at the time is now climate change protest in westminster well of the world needs a climate revolution which is arguably never recovered from a revolution in 1917 the new book red star of the 3rd world illuminates the impact of the russian revolution like no other tracing its impact in a myriad of countries from latin and central america and the caribbean to africa eurasia southeast asia the subcontinent and the far east it's all the video joins me now v.j. welcome to going on the ground so why have you written a book called red star of the world frankly you had one of the most important world
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historical events that took place in 1917100 years ago when the people of the zionist empire rose up overthrew the czar and created 1st a democratic government in the beginning of 1917 and then deep in the revolution and created the people's government the impact of that revolution on the colonized world was absolutely fundamental and what i felt had happened in the commemoration of the russian revolution is once more it had been wrapped up in the cold war in cold war logics in thinking about your opposed to center of the world and so on when in fact the impact of the russian revolution was much greater felt. in the rest of asia in africa and in south america than it was felt in marx's home countries of germany and britain now we're just commemorating celebrating who knows how the establishment will see the end of us or the treaty of versailles so we know
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about history and the way it's written by victors and so on this get into premonitions 1st because i got to say i have to say from the outset richard this is one of the op most optimistic happy books they won't get ever imagine they're just going through the premonitions you name check got on the in india the easter rising in ireland and apartheid in mexico you see one interesting feature of what had happened the years before the russian revolution was that the people are on the move and this was evident to lenin you gotta understand that you know lenin was sitting in switzerland in zuma wild with a group of his you know colleagues in the what became the bolshevik movement there were about 15 of them you know it was a small group and yet they looked around the world and they said there's been a revolution in mexico into in 1011 there's been a revolution in iran in 1011 there's been maybe multiple revolutions in china and
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they said you know the world is on fire and who in this world is leading this revolution it wasn't the intelligentsia it wasn't the bush was he it was the peasantry and this gives lenin the great deal of corpse that the presidents of russia and the zionist empire we're capable of rising up in the same way as the mexican peasants the iranian peasants and the chinese peasants of the world bank and i.m.f. are worried enough today about the brics countries and russia and china working together tell me about what you. found about the chinese secret societies in the origin of how china was involved in the russian revolution let alone what was happening in. st petersburg $970.00 i mean one of the things that's often forgotten is the czar to stand by or included a large number of areas which were not let's say european i mean the bulk of the zionist empire in terms of dead tree was dark european the population was largely
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centered in europe and in what is today central asia the central asian republics they were very close intimate dies indeed with the chinese you know a chinese society and this included chinese secret societies know what what were these you know these were small group beings of often the advanced elements of the peasantry you know small shopkeepers people like that who form groups and organizations you know these were the because of early communism it's within these secret societies that some of the main communist military leaders in central asia and in china emerged so people like the great general miles general you know talks openly about how he learned organizational skills in these secret societies which not only helped as you said in the chinese revolution but of course played a central role in the russian revolution which just didn't happen out there in
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simply does book in moscow but took place you know in the outer reaches of mongolia which took place in today's kazakhstan turkmenistan uzbekistan and so on and when you talk about. the stuns as they are now after the fall of the soviet union there is an american connection because you mention that the african american communist poet langston hughes translated poems about the turks railway from tashkent because technology is part of this is well there's a culture which all you don't see people have forgotten how important the revolution in russia was for people not only in the colonized world but also you know people who were seen as lesser within the west. in other words people who are descendants of enslaved africans and so on for them it was profound because one of the great promises of the russian revolution one of the rips in history as it were was the promise of creating human beings you know we say in order to. see insaan
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work we were born people with great difficulty we became human and i think hughes reacted very strongly to the possibility of becoming human which is why he traveled extensively in the soviet union i don't know whether the state department has read your book when you look at drum and how wide ranging is foreign policy is whether it be in that american venezuela and cuba or whether it be on iran do you think the powers that be fully understand the threat posed by such wide ranging connections oh quite the exact this book to horrify and i hope so i mean i also hope that it would give them a sense of pause because you see that they don't believe in constructing humanity they don't believe that there's a unified humanity they see humanity broken into bits you know the white house doesn't see iran as a place of people they see iran as
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a threat that's why it didn't believe in the future they want to manage the present they want to manage the gains of the past so they'd be humanized people what hughes and others like him saw what might have called ski saw the grid destroy it of the russian revolution. looked at what was happening and said the future humanity is not possible and that's what i really want to underline i mean look at britain the amnesia over colonialism is extraordinary you know i would make the argument that part of this bricks of debate is an absolute refusal to acknowledge britain's own history you know england was produced by colonialism i don't again joe breaks a debate with me but there is obviously an entry neo liberal pro bring. view on that you mention indonesia has the largest muslim population in the world if the nightmares for the west don't bad enough when they read your stuff about mere say short term guy they have a bus career turning the all russia muslim council to from vetter becoming
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a bolshevik one of these ties between islam and the bolshevik revolution you know it was amazing because in the early period the muslim intellectuals of firstly the zionist empire but then all the way out to iran and down to indonesia they understood and recognised that the promise of equality and humanity was not going to be established merely spiritually and so you had an attempt by many scholars again from indonesia out to iraq trying to reconcile islam and marxism this was such an enormous threat that in the 1960 s. the cia colluded with the saudis to create a group called the world muslim league whose express purpose was to break this link and they forcibly pushed it kind of right doing islam undercut it whether it's up in dagestan and chechnya or it's in indonesia and you see the fruits of it today
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you know afghanistan was not a country of you know very conservative hyper masculinity form of islam it was a very country where sections of the of the imaam it were very very strong marxist brought communist socialist broader public and but did order to be marginalized and that's the role that the cia played from the 1960 s. onward you briefly talk about the calamity of the spanish civil war only mexico in the u.s. as a this is supporting the republic but then i mean i said it was a happy book very quick britain is to sport arguably these connections and destroy all of these i suppose you would. 117 legacy movements from the caribbean to asia to africa i mean you know it's sort of fascinating after the russian revolution and to colonial nationalists tried to
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gather and then years later they met in brussels at the league against imperialism meeting where people came from all over africa parts of latin america and india and dick talked about basically the the agenda which would be put into place almost 3 decades later bonding indonesia 955 after they left the brussels meeting many of the people who attended it who came from africa and from latin america were imprisoned and several executed i mean we forget that the kind of so-called benevolence of the west was not seen at all and experienced as benevolence by people in the colonies. thank you and that's it for the show will be back on monday just speak to the man tasked by the british government to facilitate talks between to raise a man donald trump he'd be jailed join rubber bullets investigation into u.s. russian collusion but not before jasa the f.b.i. why a mysterious professor pictured partying with boris johnson had not been arrested
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until they came to us by social media so monday. it's hard to take some from somebody if you know have some to replace him. to go to syria to use market and it may take me. 4 years or very. so how can i tell you stop selling drugs if we'll hire someone to put the money in a box. they just mean the way the life is almost in a sickly color speech before or. do you guys have executed any security positions
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i've been to that. david jacked me again. you see people get all their cars and i'll see you coming no hard and it seems like they'll hurry up and run into the house like they don't want to they don't want to talk to your get your mail or anything like that. i just want to. just try to read a. good chance give me. the . the.
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the. headline stories russia the u.s. agree to a new arms control talks on called for improved trade relations as the g 20. the 2 presidents seemingly coming away from the. meeting was good and businesslike we discussed the whole area of issues which are of interest to russia and the united states and we had a discussion we had a great actually we had a great discussion president. tremendous discussion there's a ceasefire in the trade war. not the u.s. and china will be broke.

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