tv Cross Talk RT June 30, 2019 11:30pm-12:00am EDT
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i'm joined by my guests here in moscow dimitri baba she's a political analyst and editor it inus me internet media project and in london we cross to marcus papadopoulos he is the editor of politics 1st magazine our gentleman cross type rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate a let's go to markets 1st in london the the resumption of u.s. china trade talks is taking a lot of headlines as it should it's a very important issue on the back of the g. 20 but we have this special purpose vehicle being established is established now in europe to bypass the american swiss system for the europeans to trade with iran i wonder when the donald is back in washington and how he's going to respond to that because i think we all know how he will go ahead marcus the introduction of the insects payment system by the u.s. and as a way of trying to circumvent the american restrictions on countries wanting to trade with iran and the in 6 payments system is not only
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a goodwill gesture by the european institute on it is also the europeans trying to keep it on in the j.c. you know a do you and it is also a way of the europeans retaining access to the iranian markets which after all is an important market for europe in particular for countries like germany and france but it's paid for the insteps payment system to be sustainable and effective it must apply to all who purchase and because don't trump site sanctions on iran which are all complete the most dangerous that america has has placed it on over the last 40 years ago in 3 wrongs jocular and that juggler is iran's ability to export oil if the european claimant system does not apply to the purchases by other countries also it rainin oil then i do strongly suspect that iran will.
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when she leaves the j.c. you know and also the iranian economy will be in serious trouble because trump does wants us fix the iranian economy exactly. that the joke about which is it wrong or marcus it before i go to game here how much is this also in a sense of the european union claiming some form of economic sovereignty i mean it wasn't the last time we had a country dictating other countries trade policy was the soviet union with its eastern european satellites i mean this is very very authoritarian dictating to countries who they can trade with i mean this also is a sovereignty issue yes. i agree if you look at the european union wast it is a strategic ally to america it is also an economic zone if all and all the way that lynn. are you term it in exchange for trade in we have it on the way that the germans the french and the j.c.
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but the american representatives only as recently said they had. a choice for trades of america what straits of tiran and piece of the problem is the rain you know market even though it's lucrative of course it can't compete with the american market and that's where my concern is that when push comes to shove businesses in germany and france it could very well it should run for the american lance the intimidation here you know demon one of the one of the rings i wanted to do this topic is because in a much broader way the united states is using the dollar and the swiss system it's been weaponized ok. this is remarkable that the u.s. is going to leverage the swiss system against its allies against its adversaries here i mean what i see here this is devaluing the currency the global currency the u.s. dollar and it's the u.s. that's doing itself it's very self destructive in it's self inflicted go ahead well
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i mean look at the statistics in 2013 less than 7 percent of the trade between china and russia was in yuan because again there were there was a lot of talk about the need to distance ourselves from the dollar but there was no immediate movement in 2013 so things were going slowly but already in 2017 already it was 18 percent of the trait that was in other currencies other than dollars so the movement is in that direction and it's interesting how their american liberal press. is reacting to that you know fareed sick or right here in the washington post writes that you know this idea of instax is it's basically one inside the can really in the core mind and of the court at least some humor for it's a career well that kerry in the coal mine has been there for many years now because
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it was not just drawn as far as a core a right it's not just drawn administration's abuse of power it's also above most administrations abuse of power it's bill clinton's of use of power so things were piling up and we all remember how somehow the war against iraq started soon after saddam hussein switched their payments for the iraqi oil to to europe and we can see the same case we had then we have now with libya as well it's not only europe india you know wall street journal is right in that it has evidence that india is buying oil from iran directly and you know bypassing the american banks bypass in their federal reserve system which has this terrible system of correspondent banks you not only of the correspondent banks can transect so india is doing that turkey of all the countries after the turkish lira fell dramatically in 2018. and is right in that. regard has been blaming for in foreign conspiracies for for
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the well as it is foreigners are doing it properly is there. you know all award of alternative media and some of the mainstream media in the united states directly linked the fall of lira to the actions of the and i know this is there is absolutely. and evidence which to direct you know that we go back to markets in london i mean this is a very interesting trend and i think future historians will look back at this and how the u.s. destroyed its own currency position in the world because irrespective of politics it was a system where you could get busy. this is done now if it's being politicized like this that the trend is why get involved because you get you could get you don't have to be necessarily afraid of the pentagon you have be afraid of the treasury department now it's this using it as a political weapon is dangerous in south the structed and people are going to start using other mechanisms as we see started in europe go ahead marcus well i think
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it's close of all to argue that the dollar is even more potent to countries around the then the american military i say that in my opinion that is absolutely the case but i still do not see any evidence any tangible evidence to suggest that the dollar is going to collapse that it is going to be supplied by another currency and about if we take china for example china is also has also been accused by the americans of us circumvent and seeing the american restrictions on purchase in oil from iraq but it wouldn't take that much from the americans to deter china phone continuing supply iranian oil why because china's economic progress over the last 40 years been in revenge which has been miraculous absolutely based on china's trade and investment relationship with
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america and the chinese will not do anything to jeopardize that and if that means they stop by an oil from iran then beijing will do that what's crucial to the chinese economy is america. i mean because this is a process here i agree with marcus papadopoulos i mean the dollar isn't going to collapse overnight but it's starting a trend and starting a trend where if you want to avoid political problems maybe diversify your portfolio and not rely so much on the dollar and of course with the political and geopolitical events going on in the middle east i mean the petro dollar is at stake here nothing short of that go ahead well right now 60 percent of the savings you know around the world are done in dollars only 20 percent of the savings are done in europe's but that is the trend more and more savings are done in your office in
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japanese yen. chaney's you on people are diversifying their investments in order to shield themselves from you know basically a from confiscation you know exactly the reason why russia has spoken so much about switching to. our own currency is between us and china between us and iran and other countries the reason is you know 12 biggest russian company is were under sanctions last year and when it was announced in april 2000 it was then that the russian central bank started watering that actually our essence in the united states throws them and this is written in the mainstream press in the west it's not a secret you know it's nature of our minister of finance you want to suggest that company is that trade with their foreign partners in their current system or in rubles that they should get tax breaks so it's becoming profitable more portrayed in go here we go back to the i want you i want to switch gears real quick marcus i
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mean there's an iconic picture of floating around where putin meets to resume it looked like they were in divorce court it was really amazing pig's ear they were not happy but she has a lot of reasons not to be happy i guess that that picture is putin's going away present to or go. i had one minute you. well paid surveys of may is still reeling from having been forced out of power by a foreign policy indeed by her own cabinets in a similar way we could all get that satchel yes. so i think that's the reason why it's arisa may look distorted not sorry to have missed the fruits and indeed she actually looks distraught parliaments when i'm out collins and i see from the dress gallery she does look a broken person but we also have to remember that britain and russia have never liked each other up and they never will like each other deal with 10 seconds go
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well i think that she wanted to be frosty and she was frosty she was the snow queen but i'm not sure that that was the point that had lasting images she was still world to see if she stays in history like that she will be for always and you know that's exactly i think that was in the rose city in the worst prime minister in modern history ok i'm a gentleman i'm going to jump in here thanks marcus after a short break we'll continue our discussion on some real news today with r.t. . my son doing drugs my nephews were still in drugs my sisters were doing drugs it was like an epidemic of drug abuse america's public enemy number one in the united states is drug abuse he started going after the users in the prison populations who
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are we started treating sick people people who are addicted to these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill. that the war on drugs was a mistake there are with a number of people who are in prison for. a long slow. for. minor offenders. it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in waves and say bye daddy as you're walking out of a business it's just it doesn't get easy. descriptions . even for the owners so how to choose just pet food industry is telling us what to feed our pets really more based on what they want to sell us and was necessarily good for the pet turns out may not be as healthy as people believe we have animals that have you know diabetes in arthritis they have auto immune
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disorders allergies we are actually creating these problems it's a huge epidemic of problems all of them i believe can be linked to very simple problem of diet and some dog owners so heartbreaking stories about their pets streets a larger corporations are not very interested in proving or disproving the value of their food because they're already making it a $1000000000.00 on it and there's no reason to do that research. is this is a stick from a water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is part of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers there are the bad was there the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be a boy and for all this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic.
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and may let. their plastic. stay on your bones at a special projects funded. on i'm your best at this year. but for now the mountains of waste only grow higher. welcome back to crossfire where all things considered i'm peter lavelle to month we're discussing some real news. ok and now we're going to go to athens and we're joined by alex christopher oh he is the director and writer for the duran dot com alex i'm going to go to you 1st here. i watched i have to confess not all of the 2 democratic debates ok i wasn't willing to give so much time away to that show and i was trying to discuss
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think of a catchy phrase for them and i would call them maybe like the free democrats because everything is free everything is free except for american citizens so it looks like they were really can't go on the road campaigning canvassing for illegals to get president to participate in it because that's all they seem to talk about free health care free education. no longer criminalizing breaking that of the law by crossing the border illegally i mean this was really a circus wasn't go ahead alex. peter was it was a cloud show and you're exactly right i think i think the 2nd night of the debates you could watch it was watchable the 1st night i mean was just i think trump some good up best with one word it was boring it's very very boring because i mean they all said the same thing. they all have the same script it was all full it was impossible to watch the whole thing impossible i don't even know if those people
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you know the actual lot of toribio actually got through the event but peter you're right the democrats are moving so far left i think democrats people who are going to be voting in the primary democrats and middle america the heartland they don't they don't understand what party this is anymore and the democrats seem to be addressing. voter base that either one doesn't even live in the united states and can't vote or number 2 basically lives in hollywood or somewhere in park avenue on wall street that's it i mean their whole all the policies that they were discussing peter was all about open borders coupled with hair health care endless war aren't man bad russia did it 50 percent tax rate infanticide i mean these are positions that even even the most progressive america kid is unrecognizable for the democrat party al and alex and all of the issues you just mentioned not even 50 percent of
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the of the population agrees with those positions it's not even close to 50 percent and they're running with it. ok alex and i have poured enormous cold water on these 2 primaries primary debates. but you probably know which 7 minutes one person spoke in the 1st debate that was made sense it is the congresswoman from hawaii exactly. said this very simple thing nor war with iran and that kind of that was the wisest thing that they heard from that show in which she pushed back against the establishment position. endless war. the openness that the president can have to declare to wage war i mean they really really. that one issue they were all exactly on the same page and it took one brave person to say it was a failure it doesn't work we have to stop it well. charles also pretty good when
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she said well tired of being 10 minutes away from a war one tweet away from a war with iraq iran and short of his demand this situation when trump actually said that i just asked our generals how many people are going to die they sent 150 and they canceled the strike 10 minutes before we went ahead well if indeed iran had been a terrorist state if indeed there. billeted to stop terrorist actions in the united states in response right then trump would not be asking how many people are going to die in the run he would ask them how many people are going to die here right so when they say that we have firm evidence iran is involved in terrorist activities they're lying because he never even mentioned you know i don't even i don't know maybe they're lying ok that's possible but i they're just plain ignorant is going to say you are absolutely there is no interest in this all of it
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is going to go back to athens on this issue because i mean this is something that's very close to our heart all 3 of us here i mean we are watching the democratic party essentially become the war party and how dangerous that is. when you have the american public that is so poorly informed on these issues all of these candidates with the one exception is grossly uninformed and not even interested because endless war is become part of the political fabric and the and the deep state the arms manufacturers the media are all in on it here and we had as one brave person stand up they've been trying to smear her but that 7 minutes is the only thing memorable enough purse to bate the 2nd debate was a complete loss outs yeah i think the main point of both debates peter is that no one looked presidential except for tolls he cowbird and you know you're right they only gave her 7 minutes i mean they didn't give her any time to actually you know introduce herself to america andrew yang had his mike cut off and now there's
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rumors floating around that n.b.c. did it deliberately they didn't want andrew young to get his policy across to the american people so n.b.c. did a very very poor job during these debates for towsley gabbert she was the most searched person after the after the debate that no one is really reporting that no one is talking about her peter the trump meat to fire bolt in cosi gabbert needs to step in that would be a killer move and put 2022 still yet but you still that idea from whom because as i say you are pat buchanan right that's exactly right and that would be an awesome awesome outcome and trump would win 2028 without a doubt if he did that it's go back to the debates alex i mean i thought the moderators were supremely awful i mean this was the most the ultimate softball
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debate that i think i've ever seen in my lifetime no hard questions at all i mean the i said they're in cahoots here they want to maintain this mano political culture this mano political conversation. here they're asking questions where they had the the candidates actually raise their hand yes. listen it was like like you were in school or something you did it to you one was really hands on top of it and we could not talk a little bit about joe biden joe biden would look around to see who was voting to phoebe would put his hand out i mean there is there is conviction but are you going to demon. in russia there was some criticism of this debate brain matter only because it looks like no one actually took into account the past or there of the candidates and all of that or the moderators i mean rachel maddow to hear us all of these tweets hanta for. you know their collusion between trump and russians now she's asking questions and no wonder one of the candidates named that. is ted and
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that basically. drawn prize been unable to stand up to vladimir putin who at that invaded our democracy in 2016 and was invited to do so again by trump well you know trump said to him don't meddle in our elections with rory and you know he he smiled and all of the american media concentrated on that smile with this focus money going to the beach is she had worked out in spanish i mean. it's not going to be an actual parent to stand there and of all rourke statement you know trump has embrace dictators at the expense of grey do more christmas which is great democracy is probably. right on exactly all of these people and people in russia asking ok can you just forget can you just forget that maddow
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has been saying it all of these 2 years m.s.n. b.c. is a ratings went down because of because of these you know this and this whole . issue of me it was a hoax about. and the same thing with the russians are asking or gay she's saying nice what's now but she went to that war which was profoundly just you know at the very wast moment when it 2005 the 6th when the turn to feel closer look at her look at both of those debate stages was only one person that had any kind of dignity you know alexander crisp or as absolutely right she was presidential alex i mean i have to think. flight back to the united states is going to have a huge bucket of popcorn i mean. where is the gravitas on the democratic side there's nothing there and on top of it bernie is looking more moderate i mean think of 2016 he was on the edge now he's in the middle i think middle america
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is that it's going to be they're not going to recognize this this kind of politics and it's a politics that begets them the democrats have learned nothing from 2016 the heartland continues to be dismissed as deplorable olds and they want to replace the population so they get the vote they want it's like the e.u. one vote fails you keep going over and over again till you get the result you want go ahead yeah i think bernie was the big loser out of out of this and joe and joe and i'll get to joe biden as well bernie was a big loser because he has a front runner and he just looked angry and his policies are just not radical at all they're not radical enough actually and he came out just looking really really poor the optics are really bad but i didn't actually cut himself off as he was speaking. i've never seen anything like it it was on press can you imagine biden going up it gets trump i mean there is no chance there is no chance you have bedo
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and you have cory booker speaking in spanish peter and they don't have any translations what about the people that are watching the debate and we're trying to understand what these 2 guys were see. n.b.c. didn't have anyone translating no one i mean it can you imagine trump taking the the abuse that howard was giving to biden q. imagine a debate where trump is actually sitting there taking matt no shantz no chance that these people can go up against trump trump is going to eat them a life or get out but we'll be talking about this a lot in the future but it was camilla harris interestingly enough she's the one that's going to play the race card she started playing the race card 40 seconds alex go ahead and it was staged peter the whole thing was staged she talked about an issue that no one has talked about for in 20 years she had a photo article here 40 years 40 years of
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a little girl you know ready to go on twitter right away after this whole thing you know went down the whole thing was staged and it was it wasn't fair for biden but biden did not look presidential because he just took it he didn't have a response for it he looked weak he looked confused trump is not going to be that easy to deal with not at all and 2nd well it's interesting that. accused all embracing dictate us but they all forgot that joe biden when he was only in ukraine helping the regime change that he shook hands with all accountable who happens to be the fall and all of the national socialist by jove ukraine ok thank you now going to be continued many thanks to my guest here in moscow athens and in london and thanks to our viewers for watching us here i can see you next time and remember. the great.
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donald trump becomes the us president to enter north korea kim jong un and the. remaining. i'm looking forward to taking the role i don't like sanctions being on this country i'm looking forward but the sanctions remain. and in the stories that shaped the week. differences at the g. 20 summit in japan with all eyes on a meeting between the leaders of the u.s. russia. the meeting was good and businesslike we discussed a whole range of issues that are of interest to russia and the united states and we had a discussion we had a great actually we had a great discussion the president put the most of the.
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