this doesn't get easy. welcome to sophie and co and sophie shevardnadze the global war on drugs has been lasting for decades but new substances are being developed and drop dealing schools are multiplying and violence persists as does the last battle for humanity well to talk about this i'm joined by u.t.c. daughter of the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime . while the nations of the world step up their drug efforts boosting operations

against cartels and increasing seizures drug production and the abuse of them continue to rise despite those efforts with the math we're constantly devising new substances and ways to deliver them does the international community have enough strength to enforce drug prohibition globally what will the debates about legalizing drug use bring to the fight against the mafia and will it ever be one. u.t.c. though to for executives director of the united nations office on drugs and crime welcome to the show it is great to have you with us mr few thought of for more than how the century the wall has been fighting a war on drugs and it is a fight that has the u.n. support however you know better than anyone the drug use and production is ever new drugs are being introduced in violence remains a serious side effect i mean 50 years of challenging the drug industry had

on and there is not even a dent on it yet the united nations is clear that its course is correct how so. 1st of all i would like to welcome you all from vienna i had quarters of the year in office on drugs crime and indeed is that very timely. interview as well launching a new world drug report indeed. the sum somehow united nations a strength to support member states in the dealing was a real drug problem i would not use it warm warm dry because it has never been used within the united nations context but at the same time we have to bear in mind that . just in to soudan 17. 170000000 people have used drugs or was it.

which is more or less stable statistics but areas years there is a slow growth but there is gross is proportionate to the growth of the road population it means that the situation is dramatic but not as dramatic as it is presented by some. media also there are some successes and of course there is a increase in pres action of all known types of drugs i mean opium and opiates in afghanistan in latin america synthetic drugs everywhere in the rural but this process is a little bit of set but i didn't present seizures by more efficient work of local floor enforcement to prevent illicit drug traffic and. and that's why the overall statistics. more or less stable some says he doesn't want oregon why

was legalizing weed you've said that wasn't the answer now some years have passed larry juana has been made legal in canada is spreading across the united states is this legalization wave hindering the work of your organization. i must say that so far the absolute majority of member states states but is to direct them to open the bensons i firmly against legalization of drugs that is a position which has been confirmed recently in march ministerial meeting here in vienna and there will be ministerial meeting don't determine the state of declare ation and the firm has it ever been so full city direct control can then sense it should his arrest some exceptions canada. you're away and some states in the united states but so far this thread is not developing and it's a real

a storm. controlled substances which is cannabis. does not affect my child the activities of united nations office of the drugs and that i'm always aware following quick to close the these threads was concerned and actually we have notice that in the united states for instance some states where money while his leg allies. didn't it is out in. stopping the black market it continues to exist that is through so when talking about the drug issue mr good data should ask the sizes prevention and treatment and he was the one who prayer presided over the decriminalization reforms in portugal which are hailed as success does the fact that he's secretary general now mean the un stance on drugs will lean towards recommend dick decriminalization or his promoting of the global balanced approach to the world drug problem which come by supplied adoption and

demanded adoption loring's was meant and treatment today billet deshaun them prevents that is through direct i'm certain that only one in 7 that i do to persons have access to through appropriate medical treatment a global which is of course not appropriate at that in stage as far as they came in there is a shame many countries are promoting decriminalization or rather dippin it is a show of offenses related to the procession of drugs in smoke one to 2 for personal use or some other to admit if to it but it doesn't mean that we should be more lenient to as the criminals with dr traffickers. so a group called the global commission on drug policy which lists kofi anon and mongoose member says that punitive policies are only helping crime and it's time

for more humane approaches how drug and geos overwhelmingly support this idea leaders of countries that have been hurt by the drug wars are calling for a stop to provide mission is the united nations support for this idea is only a matter of time in 10 years 20 years or never. first of all i have to confess that i am not a resident the great majority of enjoys are supporting this approach. to meeting with them but regular vienna's a meeting is a joke i made sitting regularly as a year and you know you see that water. sometimes when i meet with. among themselves even more than it was me a great majority of n.g.o.s also opposed to attempts to the good guys the rocks but is always happens the majority is more silence in

the minority. so what do you say to the argument that legalizing drug use will hurt the illicit drug mafia more than fighting them it seems to me you are not convinced by this line of thought right why expectations that legalisation of cannabis would reduce the legal market and unfortunately it's confirmed and we'll have more and more evidence that the. drug market exists especially the moving drugs to schools to other places where they should not go. so. drug. multifaceted criminal organisation. does issue its reach from one criminal activities to another criminal activities even even to support to terrorism so we must rivera careful with that you should understand that.

as it is not my opinion this is the opinion of the majority of member states and firmed in many documents adopted in the united nations context that this and the proper led to believe that the good ization could help to to come but crime it can only benefit criminals. so informing drug policy should their stories be more concerned with the mafia side of things i mean all the violence exploitation corruption ties with terrorism or the human health side of things as in preventing epidemics of drug use and the consequences which one. only only a balanced approach can help us. of course one force months must be supported but as that is not enough the best way of prevention is the prevention of the early stage but also treatment to debilitate and that integration of that i can do to

a person and to society oh so very important task of the international community when we come by and boss supply and demand it out when we put in accordance with human rights standards was a core in accordance with international treaties work and hope to succeed. but look at mexico i mean the drug mafia east threatening the functioning of this state itself the war against drug cartels involves hangs and helicopters but that doesn't deter people from joining the cartels i mean especially if that is the only job on the horizon for them so mexico and countries like mexico will never will against the cartels unless they fix their economy right mexico is making huge efforts to come but organized crime determine know as you as you call them and . groups as a model to fess up to criminal groups dealing doing many types of organized crime

including drops of course illicit director afaik but oh so. many french are in some drugs including opioids in mexico. it is a very difficult task and where i work and where it was there was mexico and office so if you know this you supporting mexico. and we believe that only way is it was in the international no. international norms we're going to come by and fighting organized crime fighting drugs where is more attention to people in their rights protecting their rights to health. providing them all necessary support. from drug addiction he was there is no demand on drugs there will be no supply it's clear all right mr fidel so we're going to take

a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking to. the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime discussing international efforts and fighting drug trafficking and production stay with us. public wealth. when the ruling classes protect themselves.

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trafficking so this is you know a president trump is struggling to build a wall on the us mexico border and one of his main arguments is that the war will help calm but drug trafficking can it. my impression was that the wall was mostly destined to prevent this migration. unfortunately the. united states say experienced the. crisis as you know although last year there being embedded and significant decline in the number of deaths roadways ace ventura needle and now this. crisis but still it is one of the major problems of north america. so expanding to other continents whatever could be done to prevent. that african but also its use of medications or diversion of

medication. was a people but once again what is important to provide people with. medical service medical care and prevention efforts. we could play a major role we also have an example of profit bishan that works in japan for for instance japan's tough loss enable the government to claim a very low addiction rate do you feel the japanese approach is worth studying and maybe i mean waiting direct anthro conventions are flexible and say allow qantas a lot of flexibility is true or to make sure that all measures that they can connect go to through the conventions. of day to. better fit for purpose of their national national legislation national conditions national traditions what what waters through the house bunch meant including.

death penalty is not helping to prevent the drug use and drug abuse in addition directive i think it. we don't see any signs that harsh or more moderate punishment is it has a real impact on the flow of the rocks what is important is international cooperation because we're dealing with transnational crime which is so full of drugs coming from one source tended to remain in contradictions and dig up a distant nation so more and better that british use it is better to deal with the broad drug problem. whether society should be punitive or tolerance towards drug users is a subject of massive debate but in countries with radical anti-drug oddities there

is room for abuse of tough drug loss for instance just recently our journalists russian journalists evangel north whom the police tried to frame as a drug dealer how to keep up the fight against drugs with legal tools and not tempt the authorities into be using the system. csound cesar's thrifty rule of law law bidens and. protection of. human rights you know cases people have the right. to be protected from all kinds of abuses including will from law enforcement authorities did just live. i want to talk a bit about countries like latin america where farmers turn to growing drop crops out of economic interest because nothing else brings them as much money as coca leaves for instance or in afghanistan where people depend on the poppy to survive

how do you do tell them to stop growing drugs because well it's really bad but when they have to choose between that and hunger they always will choose doing that. election america treated the rest of the major coca produces a lot bureau and what we're doing with have important programs multi 1000000 programs self-supporting discounters in developing president if livelihoods. in the cottage and farmers to produce note. but rather. food like. like. like. true trees and many other useful things of course that is less attractive to them but it is more predictable for them for their families for their futures as specialist that if they have lent it will sit difficult state and. they can feel more free.

to leave indeed they said to produce legal livelihoods for them for themselves but also for the f.m. of the senate would have good examples including here in austria where the local investors will companies buying these sort of products from colombia from piro and selling can euro as far as afghanistan and serve that is another problem we're also trying to be self-aware but unfortunately the overall situation in this country political instability and security. deduces so at best it is true and that's why unfortunately we're seeing unprecedented record level of. opium production unfetter and production in afghanistan. and i've heard you say that it's very important to engage the local population in fighting dropped production in mafia crime groups are usually behind this business can we expect ordinary folks to

get in confrontation with this dangerous people while their families may get killed and their homes may end up burnt. you know i'm traveling to a lot i'm visiting calder's countries including can let in america ever again and. can tell you that speaking to local farmers i made a conclusion that moral is prepared to drop. a target if through the production there acculturation but they need more support from local authorities they need stable markets for their leases products they need. better infrastructure and there's a need support from big companies. markets if it is done as it is being done and sometimes there are some that america would hope was to be successful operation and we will continue to shrink from illegal to legal.

so even if you bomb all the poppy and cannabis fields people are using more and more since saturday drugs so chemistry has taken over nature in this field harder to detect easier to make arson tatic drugs more of a danger to society is than those which have to be grown 1st. unfortunately there was a crisis if it meant if it's i mean crisis and they share. it's as a scale of financial disaster in qantas like malaysia. other neighboring countries. even japan with half of the problem of you say your substances which are there whether ping so fast that governments and international can is ations do not have enough time with schedules to put them under international drive money toward a gun control jet is

a real problem and in many countries including russia synthetic drugs becoming more prevalent and there are additional direct like heroin. and opium when morphine. so will we have a liver an existing for your sake with your substances here in vienna and we're trying to devise counters on the appearance of the markets of new types of synthetic drugs you know like everything else drugs have also gone through this 21st century change i mean you don't even have to go to a shady part of town to get drugs anymore there's websites on a dark nat for everything these days how does that change the way you work i mean how do you do what's this relatively new headache. that is a real headache to not to because date so far as a proportion of the share of this dark net traffic and is not comparable to the overall amount of illusions that are trafficked in but it is

a growing faster growing. growing gets around and a day care for it and that means that we need to develop more quickly international cooperation in terms of cyber crime which includes the types of. full use of cyber and not only for drugs but also for other illicit activities that is a sensitive issue countries may have different opinions on that but. i believe it was a good will was a spirit of innocent compromise a quid fine solution as to some. of cybercrime including the use of cyberspace for illicit director africa as you said so what's more important dealing with the supply chain with poppy fields and coke up plantations or shutting down the marketplaces. borth important of course we need

to start from the source but also the traffic and interruption of their applicant is very important we give you one example where facing unprecedented. reason with alteration on production of. opium poppy never again is that the election of opium and heroin is growing but just same time will have less and less . heroin or boom. in those on the route from afghanistan sort of central asia to russia most of the road was used to transport a. 10 percent before. and heroin but of action in afghanistan now it would be less than one percent and there would be different factors to one of them of course is a better international cooperation and would you consent to a share better coordination before enforcement activities better efforts to prevention and deserters one of the good news thank you very much for this

interview or talking to you if you do it does for executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime discussing the air national efforts and combat a truck trafficking and organized crime that's it for this edition cell phone call see you next.

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