well welcome to sophie and colmes if you shevardnadze the global war on drugs has been lasting for decades but new substances are being developed and drop dealing skiing's are multiplying and violence persists is just a lost battle for humanity will to talk about this i'm joined by a unified go to for executives director of the united nations office on drugs and crime. while the nations of the world step up their drug efforts boosting operations against consuls an increase in seizures drug production and the abuse of them continue to rise despite those efforts with the mafia constantly devising new substances and ways to deliver them does the international community have enough strength to enforce drug prohibition globally what will the debates about legalizing drugs bring to the fight against the mafia and will it ever be one you received a lot of executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime welcome

to the show it is great to have you with us mr a few thought of for more than how the same the wall has been fighting a war on drugs and it is a fight that has the u.n. support however you know better than anyone the drug use and production are as high as ever new drugs are being introduced in violence remains a serious side effect i mean 50 years of challenging the drug industry had on and there is not even a dent on it yet the united nations is clear that its course is correct how so. 1st of all i would like to welcome you all from vienna i had quarters of the year in office on drugs crime and indeed it is that very timely. interview as well launching a new world tragedy poor indeed. the sum

somehow united nations a strength to support member states in the dealing was a real drug problem i would not use it warm warm dry because it has never been used within the united nations context but at the same time we have to bear in mind that . just into selden 17. $170000000.00 people have used drugs or was rolled which is more or less stable statistics compared but areas here as there is a slow growth but there is a gross is proportionate to the growth of the road population it means that the situation is dramatic but not as dramatic as it is presented by some. media also there are some successes and of course there is a increase in production of all known types of drugs i mean. opiates

in afghanistan in latin america synthetic drugs everywhere in the road but this process is a little bit of set by the increase in seizures by more efficient work of local floor enforcement to prevent illicit dr rafiq and. and that's why the overall statistics. more or less stable some says he doesn't want oregon why was legalizing weed you've said that wasn't the answer now some years have passed larry why has been made legal in canada is spreading across the united states is this legalization wave hindering the work of your organization. i must say that so far the absolute majority of member states states but is to direct them to open the bensons i firmly against legalization of drugs that is

a position which has been confirmed recently in march ministerial meeting here in vienna and there will ministerial meeting don't determine the state of declare ation and the firm has ever been so full city direct control can then since actually is arrest some exceptions canada. you're away and some states in the united states but so far this thread is not developing and it's really a storm. controlled substances which is cannabis. does not affect my child the activities of united nations office on drugs and that i'm always aware following close the these threads was concerned and actually we have notice that in the united states for instance some states where money while his leg allies. didn't it is out in. stopping the black market it

continues to exist that is through so when talking about the drug issue mr good data should ask the sizes prevention and treatment and he was the one who presided over the decriminalization reforms in portugal which are hailed as success does the fact that he's secretary general now mean the un stance on drugs will lean towards recommend dick decriminalization or his promoting of the global balanced approach to the world drug problem which come by supply adoption on demand and lawrence was meant to treatment today billet deshaun then prevents that is through direct concern that only one in 7 there are good if that persons have access to through appropriate medical treatment a global which is of course not appropriate at that in stage as far as they came in there is a shame many countries are promoting the decriminalization or rather dippin it is

a show of offenses related to the procession of drugs in small quantities for personal use or some other to admit if true it but it doesn't mean that we should be more lenient to is the criminals with dr traffickers. so a group called the global commission on drug policy which lists kofi annan and mongoose member says that punitive policies are only helping crime and it's time for more humane approaches how drug and geos overwhelmingly support this idea leaders of countries that have been hurt by the drug wars are calling for a stop to provide mission is the united nations support for this idea is only a matter of time in 10 years 20 years or never. first of all i have to confess that i am not a resident the great majority of enjoys are supporting this approach. to meeting

with them but regular vienna's a meeting is a joke i mean sitting regularly as a year and you know you see that water. sometimes when i meet with. among themselves even more than it was me a great majority of n.g.o.s also opposed to attempts to legalize drugs but is always happens the majority is more silence in the minority. so what do you say to the argument that legalizing drug use will hurt the illicit drug mafia more than fighting them it seems to me you are not convinced by this line of thought right why expectations that legalisation of cannabis would reduce the legal market and unfortunately it's confirmed and we'll have more and more evidence that the. drug market exists especially the moving of drugs to

schools to other places where they should not go. so. drug. multifaceted criminal organisation. does issue its reach from one criminal activities to another criminal activities even even to support to terrorism so we must rivera careful with that we should understand that. as it is not my opinion this is the opinion of the majority of member states and firmed in many documents adopted in the united nations context dentists and the proper led to believe that the good ization could help to to combat crime it can only benefit criminals. so informing drug policy should their stories be more concerned with the mafia side of things i mean all the violence exploitation corruption ties with terrorism or the human health side of things as

in preventing epidemics of drug use and the consequences which one only only a balanced approach can help us. of course one force months must be supported but is it is not enough the best way of prevention is the prevention of the early stage but also treatment debilitation and that integration of that i can do to a person into society oh so very important task of the international community when we come by and boss supply and demand it out when we put in accordance with human rights standards was a core in accordance with international treaties work and hope to succeed. but look at mexico i mean the drug mafia is threatening the functioning of this state itself the war against drug cartels involves hangs and helicopters but that doesn't deter

people from joining the cartels i mean especially if that is the only job on the horizon for them so mexico and countries like mexico will never will against occur tell us unless they fix their economy right. message is making huge efforts to come but organized crime declaiming know as you as you call them and. groups as a model to fester to criminal groups dealing doing many types of organized crime including drops of course illicit director i think but oh so. many french or in some drugs including opioids in mexico. it is a very difficult task. where work and quit it was there was mexico was an office so if you know this you supporting mexico. and we believe that only way it was in

the international no. international norms were going to come by and fighting organized crime fighting drugs where is more attention to people protecting their rights protecting their rights to health care providing them all necessary support . from drug addiction he was there is no demand on drugs there will be no supply it's clear. all right mr fidel it's a we're going to take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking to. the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime discussing international efforts in fighting drug trafficking and production stay with us.

seem wrong. to same. trail. find themselves worlds apart. just on the common ground. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race. spearing dramatic development only really. i don't see how that strategy will be successful ready. to sit down and talk.

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they were back was you it is you go to the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime talking about fighting the problem of drug abuse and trafficking so mr president trump is struggling to build a wall on the us mexico border and one of his main arguments is that the war will help calm but drug trafficking can it. my impression was that the wall was mostly destined to go to preventing this migration. unfortunately the. united states a experience the future crisis as you know although last year there being

a very and significant decline in the number of death row i would wear this event in new zealand now this synthetic opioids crisis but still that is so one of the major problems of north america and also expanding to other continents whatever could be done to prevent. illicit trafficking but also in this its use of medications or diversion of medication. this could have as a people but once again what is important to provide people with a. medical service medical care and prevention efforts they could play a major role we also have an example of profit bishan that works in japan for for instance japan's tough loss enable the government to claim a very low addiction rate do you feel the deputies approach is worth studying and

maybe i mean waiting. direct control conventions are flexible and. qantas a lot of flexibility is true or to make sure that all measures that they can connect go to through the conventions. of day to. better fit for purpose of the national national legislation national conditions national traditions what what waters through the house banishment including. death penalty is not helping. to prevent the drug use and drug abuse in addition director africa and. we don't see any signs that harsh or more moderate punishment is it has a real impact on the flow of the rocks what is important is international cooperation because radium it was transnational crime which is so full of drugs

coming from one source transit so remaining contradictions and into a distant nation so more and better that british use it is better to deal with their own drug problem. so whether society should be punitive or tolerance towards drug users is a subject of massive debate but in countries where radical anti-drug got it it's there is room for abuse of tough drug laws for instance just recently our journalists russian journalists go north whom the police tried to frame as a drug dealer how to keep up the fight against drugs with legal tools and not tempt the authorities into be using the system. csound says' history if they're overflow bidens and. protection of.

human rights you know cases or people have the right. to be protected from all kinds of abuse or so including flow from law enforcement a 3rd it is clear. i want to talk a bit about countries like latin america where farmers turn to growing drop crops out of economic interest because nothing else brings them as much money as coca leaves for instance or in afghanistan where people depend on the poppy to survive how do you do tell them to stop growing drugs because well it's really bad but when they have to choose between that and hunger they always will choose doing that. election in america treated the rest of the major coca produces a lot bureau and what we're doing with have important programs multimillion programs self-supporting discounters in developing countries are going to flavia hodes. in the cottage and farmers to produce note cocoa but rather.

food like. trees and many other useful things of course that is less attractive to them but it is more predictable for them for their families for their future just as special is that if they have lent it will sit difficult stick and. feel more free. to leave and it is said to produce legal level woods for them for themselves but also for their families and would have good examples including here in austria where the local investors will companies buy these sort of products from colombia from faro and selling can euro as far as afghanistan and serve that is another problem we're also trying to be helpful but unfortunately

the overall situation in this country or political instability insecure. or to. reduce this out at best it is too and that's why unfortunately we're seeing unprecedented record level of. reduction in heroin production in afghanistan. and i've heard you say that it's very important to engage the local population in fighting drug production in mafia crying groups are usually behind this business can we expect ordinary folks to get in confrontation with this dangerous people one their families may get killed and their homes may end up burnt you know i'm traveling through a lot i'm visiting calder's countries including can lead in america ever again and . can tell you that speech into local farmers i made a conclusion that moral is a. dope. target if through the proper adoption

of the ration but they need more support from local authorities they need stable markets for their leases products they need. better infrastructure and there's a need support from big companies. supermarkets if it is done as it is being done and sometimes there are some let america. hope was to be successful at the ration and we will continue to shrink from. the legal. so even if you bomb all the poppy and cannabis fields people are using more and more since saturday drugs so chemistry has taken over nature in this field harder to detect easier to make our synthetic drugs more of a danger to society is than those which have to be grown 1st. as it is true unfortunately there were several real crisis to admit if it's i mean crisis and

they share. it's as a scale of natural disaster in contrast like malaysia. neighboring countries. even japan would have the problem of you say your substances which a developing so fast that governments and international can is ations do not have enough time to schedule them to put them under international drive money toward intent and throw yet is a real problem in many countries including the russian synthetic drugs becoming more prevalent. redish of the right place heroin. and opium and more. so with early voting existing for and use a corrective substances year in vienna and we're trying to devise counters on the appearance of the markets of new types of synthetic drugs you know like everything else drugs have also gone through this 21st century change i mean you don't even

have to go to a shady part of town to get drugs anymore there's websites on a dark now for everything these days how does that change the way you work i mean how do you do what's this relatively new headache. that is a real headache to not to because date so far as a proportion of the share of this dark net traffic and is not comparable to the overall amount of illicit direct traffic and but it is a growing fast growing. growing gets around and a day carol for it and that means that we need to develop more quickly international cooperation in terms so fable cryer which includes the types of know full use of cyber and not only for the robbers but also for other illicit activities that is a sensitive issue country this may have different opinions on that but. i

believe it was a good will was a spirit of unison a compromise a quid fine solution as to some. of. the cyber crime including the use of cyberspace for illicit director africa as you said so what's more important dealing with the supply chain with poppy fields and coke up plantations or shutting down the marketplaces. borth important of course we need to start from the surface but also the traffic and interruption of traffic and is very important we give you one example where facing unprecedented. reason with alteration on production of. opium poppy never again is that the action of opium and heroin is growing but just same time will have less and less. heroin opium. in those on the route from afghanistan sort of central asia to russia

those in the road was used to transport about. 10 percent of all opium and heroin but as action in afghanistan now it would be less than one percent and there would be different factors one of them of course is a better international cooperation including consensual waste you're better coordination before enforcement activities better efforts to prevention and that is one of the good news thank you very much for this interview or talking to you if you do what does executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime discussing the air national efforts and combat a truck trafficking an organized crime that's it for this edition cell phone call seen.

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population sewer we started treating sick people people who are addicted to these drugs like criminals while i was on the hill i increasingly became convinced that the war on drugs was on the stand there are countless numbers of people who are in prison for. certain sins for whom minor minor offenders in the drug trade it's a lot watching your children grow up and miss you in waves and say bye daddy as you're walking out of a business it's just it doesn't get easier. this is this is a stick from the open water bottle phone in the stomach of a fish the brand is spawns of the coca-cola company which sells millions of bottles of soda every day the idea was that let's tell consumers they're the bad ones they're the litter bugs are throwing this away industry should be blamed for all this waste the company has long promised to reuse the plastic.

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