more. economic diplomacy shall we say. you know it's the same thing with the u.s. the troll banky claims to be politically neutral as well but anything that's connected with the government is inherently political whether it be a central bank or a payment system or you know an international monetary fund all of these things are political. michael hart of the national communications director at the 10th amendment center of think you for your time thank you for having me. that's our global news update for this hour and thanks for tuning in. welcome to sophie and sophie shevardnadze the global war on drugs has been lasting for decades but new substances are being developed and drop dealing schools are

multiplying and violence persists is just a lost battle for humanity will to talk about this i'm joined by you to go to for executives director of the united nations office on drugs and crime. while the nations of the world step up their drug efforts boosting operations against counts hows and increasing seizures drug production and the abuse of them continue to rise despite those efforts with the mafia constantly devising new substances and ways to deliver them does the international community have enough strength to enforce drug prohibition globally what will the debate about legalizing drugs spring to the fight against the mafia and will it ever be one you see those as the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime welcome to the show it is great to have you with us mr if you thought of for more than house the same the wall has been fighting a war on drugs and it is a fight that has the u.s.

support however you know better than anyone the drug use and production are as high as ever new drugs are being introduced in violence remains a serious side effect i mean 50 years of challenging the drug industry had on and there is not even a dent on it yet the united nations is clear that it's course. correct how so. 1st of all i would like to welcome you all from vienna i had quarters of the year in office on drugs crime and indeed is that very timely. interview as well launching a new world tragedy poor indeed. the sum somehow united nations strength to support member states in the dealing was a real drug problem i would not use it warm warm dry because it has never been used

within the united nations context but at the same time we have to bear in mind that . just in to soudan 17. $170000000.00 people have used drugs or was rolled which is more or less stable statistics but areas year as there is a slow growth but there is a gross is proportionate to the growth of the road population it means that the situation is dramatic but not as dramatic as it is presented by some. media also there are some successes and of course there is a increase in pres action of all known types of drugs i mean opium opiates in afghanistan in latin america synthetic drugs everywhere in the road but this process is

a little bit of set but i didn't please and seizures by more efficient work of local floor enforcement to prevent illicit doctor rafiq and. that's why the overall statistics. more or less stable some says he doesn't want oregon why was legalizing weed you've said that wasn't the answer now some years of past larry why has been made legal in canada is spreading across the united states is this legalization wave hindering the work of your organization. i must say that so far the absolute majority of member states states but is through the direct control conventions are firmly against legalisation of drugs that is a position which has been confirmed recently in march ministerial meeting here in vienna and there will ministerial meeting adopted to ministerial declare ation

and affirming as it ever been so for the city dark and throw conventions it sure is arrest some exceptions canada. you're away and some states of the united states but so far this thread is not developing and it's really a storm. controlled substances which is cannabis. does not affect my child the activities of united nations office of that i was and that i'm always aware following quick to close the these threads was concerned and actually we have notice that in the united states for instance some states where money while his leg allies. didn't it is out in. stopping the black market it continues to exist that is true so when talking about the drug issue mr good data should ask the sizes prevention and treatment and he was the one who

presided over the decriminalization reforms in portugal which are hailed as success does the fact that he's secretary general now mean the un stance on drugs will lean towards recommend dick decriminalization or his promoting of the global balanced approach to the world drug problem which come by supply deduction and demand and law enforcement and treatment that a billet deshaun then prevents that is through direct i'm certain that only one in 7 that i do to persons have access to through appropriate medical treatment a global which is of course not appropriate at that stage as far as decay minute ization many countries are promoting decriminalization or rather dippin it is a show of offenses related to the procession of drugs in smoke one to 2 for personal use or some other to admit if to it but it doesn't mean that we should be more

lenient to is the criminals with dr traffickers. so a group called the global commission on drug policy which lists kofi annan on m. august member says that punitive policies are only helping crime and it's time for a more humane approaches how drugs and geos overwhelmingly support this idea leaders of countries that have been hurt by the drug wars are calling for a stop to provide mission is the united nations support for this idea is only a matter of time in 10 years 20 years or never. first of all i have to confess that i am not terrorism the great majority of enjoys are supporting this approach. the meeting with them break of the vienna as a meeting is a joke i made sitting regularly as a year and you know you see that water. sometimes when i meet with. among

themselves even more than it was me a great majority of n.g.o.s also opposed to attempts through the glazed drugs but is always happens the majority is more silence in their minority. so what do you say to the argument that legalizing drug use will hurt the illicit drug mafia more than fighting them it seems to me you are not convinced by this line of thought right why expectations that legalisation of cannabis would reduce the legal market unfortunately it's confirmed and we'll have more and more evidence that the. drug market exists expresses the moving drugs to schools to other places where they should not go. so. drug. multifaceted criminal organisation. does issue its reach from one

criminal activities through another criminal activities even even to support to terrorism so we must rivera careful with that we should understand that. as it is not my opinion this is opinion of the majority of member states and firmed in many documents a doctor in the united nations context that this and the proper lead to believe that legalisation would help to to come but crime it can only benefit criminals. so informing drug policy should their stories be more concerned with the mafia side of things i mean all the violence exploitation corruption ties with terrorism or the human health side of things as in preventing epidemics of drug use and the consequences which one only only

a balanced approach can help us. of course law enforcement must be supported but is it is not enough the best way of prevention is the prevention of the early stage but also treatment ability asian and that integration of that i could do to a person and to society also very important task of the international community when we come by and boss supply and demanded action when we put in accordance with human rights standards was a core in accordance with international treaties with then hope to succeed. but look at mexico i mean the drug mafia east threatening the functioning of this state itself the war against drug cartels involves hangs and helicopters but that doesn't deter people from joining the cartels i mean especially if that is the only job on the horizon for them so mexico and countries like mexico will never will against

the cartels unless they fix their economy right mexico is making huge efforts to come but organized crime declaiming know as you as you call them. groups as a multifaceted criminal groups dealing doing many types of organized crime including drugs of course illicit director africa but also. money french or english some drugs including opioids in mexico. it is a very difficult task. where work in critical issue is mexico and office so if you know if you see supporting mexico. and we believe that only way as it was in the international reaches international norms we're going to come by and fighting organized crime fighting drugs which is more attention to people protecting their

rights protecting the rights to health they're providing them all necessary support . from drug addiction he was there is no demand on drugs there will be no supply it's clear all right mr fidel so we're going to take a short break right now and when we're back we'll continue talking to. the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime discussing international efforts in fighting drug trafficking and production stay with us. what politicians to do something to. put themselves on the line they get accepted

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on. the mountains of ways only grow. it where back was you if you go to the executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime talking about fighting the problem of drug abuse and trafficking so mr president trump is struggling to build a wall on the us mexico border and one of his main arguments is that the war will help calm but drug trafficking can it. my impression was that the wall was

mostly destined to prevent this migration. the united states a. crisis as you know although last year. and significant number of this roadway this. crisis but still that is one of the major problems of north america. expanding. 2 other continents whatever could be done to prevent. illicit trafficking but also in this its use of medications or diversion of medication. this could have as a people but once again what is important to provide people with and. medical service medical care and prevention efforts they could play

a major role we also have an example of profit bishan that works in japan for for instance japan's tough loss enable the government to claim a very low addiction rate do you feel the deputies approach is worth studying and maybe i mean waiting direct control conventions are flexible and say allow qantas a lot of flexibility is true or to make sure that all measures that they can connect go to through the conventions. of the day to. better fit for purpose of the national national legislation national conditions national traditions what what waters through the house banishment including a. death penalty is not helping. to prevent the drug use and drug abuse and the this is the act of africa and. we don't see any signs that harsh

or more moderate punishment is it has a real impact on the flow of the rocks what is important is international cooperation because we're dealing with transnational crime was so full of drugs coming from one source tended to remain in contradictions and into the distant nation so more and better that british use it is better to deal with their own drug problem. so whether society should be punitive or tolerance towards drug users is a subject of massive debate but in countries where the radical anti-drug got it it's there is room for abuse of tough drug laws for instance just recently our journalists russian journalists iran go north whom the police tried to frame as a drug dealer how to keep up the fight against drugs with legal tools and not tempt

the authorities into be using the system. csound say's history if the rule of law law bidens and. protection of. human rights you know cases people have the right. to be protected from all kinds of abuse or simply wouldn't flow from law enforcement authorities to just live. i want to talk a bit about countries like latin america where farmers turn to growing drop crops out of economic interest because nothing else brings them as much money as coca leaves for instance or in afghanistan where people depend on the poppy to survive how do you do tell them to stop growing drugs because well it's really bad but when they have to choose between that and hunger they always will choose doing that. election in america treated the rest of the major coca produces

a lot bureau and what we're doing with have important programs multi 1000000 programs self-supporting discounters in developing president if livelihoods. in the cottage and farmers to produce note. but rather. food like. like. like. trees and many other useful things of course it is less attractive to them but it is more predictable for them for their families for their future just as special is that if they have lent it will sit difficult stick and. a few more free. to leave and they said to produce legal livelihoods for them for themselves but also for their families and would have good examples including here in austria where the local investors will companies buy these sort of products

from colombia for. on pirro and selling can you up as far as i'm going to stand and serve that is another problem also trying to be self-aware but unfortunately the overall situation in this country political instability and security. deduces out at best it is true and that's why unfortunately we're seeing unprecedented record level of. resurrection of heroin production in afghanistan. and i've heard you say that it's very important to engage the local population in fighting drug production in mafia crime groups are usually behind this business can we expect ordinary folks to get in confrontation with this dangerous people one their families may get killed and their homes may end up burnt. you know i'm traveling to a lot i'm visiting calder's contrarious including can let in america ever again and

. can tell you that speaking to local farmers i made a conclusion that moral is prepared to drop. they're going to have to put up but actually there are cultivation but they need more support from local authorities they need stable markets for their leases products they need. better infrastructure and they need support from big companies. supermarkets if it is done as it is being done and sometimes there are some that america. hope was to be successful operation and people will continue to switch from illegal to legal. so even if you bomb all the poppy and cannabis fields people are using more and more since saturday drugs so chemistry has taken over nature in this field harder to detect easier to make arson tatic drugs more of

a danger to society is than those which have to be grown 1st. unfortunately there was a crisis that meant if it's i mean crisis and they share is it's as a scale of financial disaster in concert it's like malaysia. other neighboring countries. even japan with half of the problem of you say if you're substances which i develop being so fast that governments and international can is ations do not have enough time with schedules to put them on the international drive money toward it going to control that is a real problem and in many countries including in the russia synthetic drugs becoming more prevalent and so additional direct like heroin. and opium when morphine. so we're early warning system for a new sacred for substances here in vienna and we're trying to devise counters on

the appearance of the markets of new types of synthetic drugs you know like everything else drugs have also gone through this 21st century change i mean you don't even have to go to a shady part of town to get drugs anymore there's websites on a dark nat for everything these days how does that change the way you work i mean how do you do what's this relatively new headache. that is a real headache to not to be headache so far as a proportion of the share of this dark net traffic and is not comparable to overall amount of illicit director african but it is a growing faster growing. growing gets around and a day care for it and that means that we need to develop more quickly international cooperation in terms of cyber crime which includes the types of

know full use of cyber and not only for drugs but also for other illicit activities that is a sensitive issue countries may have different opinions on that but. i believe it was a good will was a spirit of unison a compromise a quid fine solution as to some. of. the cyber crime including the use of cyberspace for illicit director africa as you said so what's more important dealing with the supply chain with poppy fields and coke up plantations or shutting down the marketplaces. borth important of course we need to start from the surface but also the traffic and interruption of traffic and is very important we give you one example where facing unprecedented. reasonable alteration on production of. never again is the election of opium and heroin

is growing but just same time will have less and less. heroin or plume. than those on the route from afghanistan sort of central asia to russia most of the road was used to transport. 10 percent before. and heroin but as action in afghanistan now it would be less than one percent and there would be different factors one of them of course is a better international operation including consensual better coordination but for enforcement activities better efforts to prevention and that is one of the good news thank you very much for this interview or talking to you if you do it just for executive director of the united nations office on drugs and crime discussing the air national efforts and combat a drug trafficking and organized crime that's it for this edition cell phone call

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