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simply carrying out his journalistic work yet sufficient ski faces up to 15 years in jail prosecutors were switched on the day of the hearing meaning they were not familiar with the case. but has no plans to release him whatever the findings. i think what's happening right now shows only one thing no one on the side of the prosecution sincerely cares and not justice these people are only interested in one thing for me to stay behind force as long as possible. people come and say we only today became prosecutors give us time to get acquainted there are $78.00 pages there are $26.00 volumes well 2 or 3 days and we'll decide no. thanks for joining us on r.t. we're back in 30 minutes with the latest. time
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after time here we're going underground hours after israel did what u.k. pm contenders boris johnson and jeremy hunt have advocated before it bomb syria coming up on the show why is the british government destroying it hiding documents essential to the julian assange case we speak to the journalist who is in court this week fighting for their release and is the e.u. squabbles over management personnel changes the un warns that the mediterranean will be a sea of blood we investigate european dehumanization of those who seek better lives for the news atomic bomb goes nuclear as iran and europe do business on this boris johnson giving the thumbs up or the 2 fingers of big business dollars or more coming up in today's going on the ground 1st as a fraction of one percent of the electorate decide britain's next prime minister labour's jeremy corbyn questions the arguable deep state after the murdoch times
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defames him over his health the civil service should be breaching new spite against an elected politician against a prospective government is something that should be very concerned much more concerning for mainstream media as corbin's alleged tolerance for anti semitism here's one of his m.p.'s a tolerant of the violently semitic abuse she has received from people who say they back or been you i spied you are evil satanic late night the hash tag. good has roots me the labor m.p. who has called on jeremy corbyn to resign ever being a spy there is nothing to connect it to any spying for previous employers whether it be french outsourcing company said xo or the swiss company nestlé current be targeted by activists boycott routes to me this came to emphasize she is not a spy. imagine that we speak out and i must inform you that i am not a cia spy i am not a mossad agent nor am i am i 5 percent i'm sure to be here
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i'd be serious enough. although i would urge you not to be unpleasant meeting i do not work for the people of tell me well arguably she did work for an organization linked to tel aviv before entering parliament she used to be a director of the britain israel communications and research center britain's equivalent of israeli lobby as a pac not only that but there are no apparent links between her in the cia or m i 5 a wiki leaks cable appears to expose that she has been used as a asset by the u.s. government in a cable dated 20 year 9 april 24th from the us embassy in london to the then secretary of state hillary clinton me this name ject as a source for finding out when the then prime minister gordon brown would call a general election in britain labor perspective parliamentary candidate for burton roots we need strictly protect told us april 20 that brown had intended to announce
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the elections are made 12 he goes on to say no to this information has not been reported in the press and note perhaps 3 there's not a willing us informant but why was she a protected source for a cable to the us national security council as well as hillary clinton babs it's all accidental the us authorities felt the need to keep her name secret when it came to information about u.k. general elections today she has declined all going underground requests for comment on allegations she was a us intelligence assets but that's the thing about we get leaks cables they allowed journalists to probe the state we don't see the links we otherwise have no evidence for today wiki leaks founder julian assange is in prison in southeast london and the un has determined his treatment by u.k. u.s. ecuadorian and swedish authorities amounts to torture someone who's been following the persecution of wiki leaks in. it's a funny marriage she joins me now so many thanks so much for coming on i know there's a case ongoing i'm going to get to that in a 2nd it's julian assange his birthday today you probably want to wish him happy
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birthday. to we just go back a bit and talk about your freedom of information request and how different the answers you got were from swedish and from british authorities the 1st letter. from paul close to the swedish prosecutor yes basically my idea was back in 2015 when julian had already spent 5 the abscond finally initially on the house arrest and then in the order and i am bussy high realized that no juvenile is no media had ever tried to access the document to do to get the facts so my idea was if i can get the documents from sweden sweden has a very good very good laws when it comes to freedom of information act maybe i can use anything i get from sweden as be cook to get documents from the
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u.k. from the u.s. from australia ecuador whatever and it work i filed my 4 year end in sweden back in 2015 and we have and we will hold back till yes the other talking about the rape allegations i suppose that's crucially made because it provides evidence on how the crown prosecution service which is the very same page and see which is now in charge of considering the u.s. extradition for request of julian assange the crown prosecution service basically advise the swedish prosecutors against the holly strategy which could have led to a quick solution of the swedish case which is questioning julian assange she london rather than extradited him to sweden this was the bombshell. exposure of your freedom of information requests that under king has. some of the. german coffins
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breck's it's sad to break that secretary the c.p.s. seem to be telling sweden or begging sweden to hold up. to keep on with allegations of rape now we go to the dog even and actually they did then put pressure on allegation they advice against questioning him he no longer which is was crucial in creating the legal and then the the free market. which kept julian assange cheaper but then the same document released by the british authorities is redacted completely and this kind of leads us on to what may happen on friday you are at the upper tribunal court in london the sons of course in jail chelsea manning in jail tell me about the case that's going on this week yes basically after. i filed my file in sweden basically competition service sort of fewest me any document and i filed a case law on the 1st year tribunal and they started releasing some documents after
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i filed this case and but the documents are varied redacted the most of them are completely use when you see the 1st here it's also jeff franz kafka is where 3 is the 1st you mention the 1st tier tribe you know that's before this week's tribe yes so there are all these various courts in london that exact i don't want freedom of information so i went to the 1st see it to be you know and they basically hold it against me and so i was for i was basically put into the condition to appeal to the upper tribune all and this is why these yes this week i was at the hopper tribunal with my lawyer defending the right of the press to access these documents now if anyone thinks this is just of interest to those bereaved from allegedly u.s. war crimes in afghanistan or iraq what the case this week what is important about the case this week is important to all journalists everywhere you are trying to
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change the way freedom of information works by saying. factual circumstances changing can change the authorities view of whether they can release documents to a journalist absolutely i mean 1st of all what can we expect from these we. i have asked for the full correspondence between the crown prosecution service and the u.s. authorities which means the u.s. department of justice and the u.s. state department when asked for this document to sweden they needed to say we don't have such correspondence because we didn't get any correspondence with them when i have the same correspondence to the u.k. they didn't want to confirm or deny so if they had been such correspondence with the u.s. why not to tell me media that we don't have such correspond is because the crown prosecution service gave you an n c n d a neither confirm nor deny response about
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correspondence between we've been britain and the united states justice system about julian assange exactly and also about what they were which was really ridiculous because they said we cannot confirm or deny the bow ecuador because any such correspondence would be is about and extend the china we said it doesn't make sense an extradition to act whether because he's in the ecuadorian embassy i think they use ecuador they use they have ecuador do the neither confirm nor deny the exception because he would have sound suspicion to say we cannot confirm nor deny the about the u.s. so they put the airport there but they came out of ridiculous because. the show request by ecuador when julian assange which was in the choir their embassy is completely nonsense it must be about the u.s. extradition spec ok well they said that the lawyers for the authorities are saying ok they they they told us that for julie the son of course there's
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a strong personal interest in the information you're seeking be made public. but that doesn't necessarily mean it is important as regards public interest or did you miss. the nonsense because it is absolutely makes sense to know whether the u.s. has for a war is considering extradition and putting julian assange from the very beginnings as soon as he started publishing the us government documents crucially to understand whether the swedish case was used in an instrumental way to get julian assange extradited initially to sweden then to the u.s. and these crucial to know whether the u.s. considered to put him in jail from the very beginning there is no way to know unless we got the the he made so unless we got the documents there is no way to know and this means that any journalist watching this program right now must realize that if you fail on friday decision over the way they did journalism is it
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is deliberately separated by authorities here in britain with the public interest even if that journalist working on something feels it is over the public absolutely absolutely and there is a you know the what what is crucial to understanding this case that this case is not just about julian assange it is about any journalist everywhere trying to expose war crimes secret documents provide evidence of torture are sent on so if julian if they can assert jurisdiction on an astray and publisher who reviewed this document they can assert jurisdiction on an italian journalist exposing draw our nuclear weapons he never gave the the us basis for nuclear weapon so us nuclear weapons immediately or they came necessary to do restriction on journalists working on the french journalists working on exposing us documents provide evidence of
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crimes in france in in everywhere i mean sure. many so these cases is about the right of the press to publish documents we charge. we charge devastating for the government because they don't want to be exposed of course as they have these documents and it is about the ebbing these possibilities we doubt your life destroyed because if we look at he had this hand basically destroyed we were trying to do we were trying to let the public and many are our colleagues who are telling your campaigning we are not campaigning we have tell you that they are destroying they are destroying his mental. health and the prices so high that a good knowledge should not pay such a price for exposing war crimes and torture and the same applies to the to the journalistic sources like chelsea manning she paid a huge price and
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a journalistic source who expose such valuable and important information in the public interest should not by pay such a price. thank you thanks so much after the break. was a mere liberalism the un claims a new all time high of 17000000 refugees we ask the director of a new film about the hardships of those crossing the mediterranean for a better life if globalization has fostered the kind of international apartheid bustle the headlines children die as israel targets syria and greenpeace has that sinking feeling in the pacific all the more coming up to going underground. join me every 1st day on the alex simon show and i'll be speaking to us from the world of politics sports business i'm show business i'll see you then.
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welcome back joining me now to go through some of the week's top stories this fall the liberal democrat m.p. in charge of secretary of state lembit obi gleb a long time no see yes obviously this offer to. go straight to today's greenpeace report before we go to any stories what do you make of this in deep water the emerging threat of deep sea mining well what they're talking about here is another preservation story as you know the preservation of another preservation over 7 tenths of the earth is covered in water now greenpeace is telling its attention to the idea that some very large companies might be destroying microbes was doing good i mean there was
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a piece while back talking about the fact that an eminent doctor was saying that cures for cancer superbug cures they're all down in the deep and they might be being destroyed by all his money i don't get it professor upton said he found a microbe in his bar a tree which i think they'd hold up from iraq all 700 meters below sea level he said this could solve the resistance problem and this is not being extrapolated by greenpeace to say well we've got to be really careful where we dig tranches and where we we charge up the seabed this is completely our message for greenpeace but we've got to be a bit careful here because most of the sea but there's never been explored what better company for the largest exploratory mission then britain's prince corporate proportion to be run by a company will u.k. seabed resources limited which is not british government owned a tool by lockheed martin walker you wrote on it they're not so worried about the
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microbes but they are very keen on the precious resources haven't been. pointed down that white because really hard to mind deep down in the ocean look at some of the accidents that the oil industry has had so it's not easy even this wholly owned lockheed subsidiary u.k. seabed resources admitted that they found extinctions in the areas of exploration for the exploitation of resources both of the sea when you plow a field it kills lots of ones and lots of local habitat the same is going to happen if you're under sea i'm not rubbishing this i just think we have to have a sense of proportion here that is going to this story from news we've got a stress testing conference in washington the federal reserve we've got one fan of the banks probably the firm of the defense industry take us through the wonderful headline here boris johnson says nobody stuck up for the bankers as much as i did when i asked about half blank blank a business john. that is because he said something. that are in fact
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granted to be british prime minister one of them yet what he said was when somebody said well a lot about big business in terms of your bricks at plans boris he said that phrase business and he's now saying is taken out of context what he meant was big business should not stand in the way of his democratic right to the outcome of the referendum from a couple of years ago is the public at large going to support a prime minister and in a general election if indeed he is crowned prime minister if he says nobody stuck up for the bank as much as i did there's an election in greece in a few days time i think a signal for bankers is not really popular on the right on the left in the sense or anywhere that you're always looking for negatives for us as a man of the people is very popular he's just trying to be popular with big business let's remember where the conservatives got a lot of their money it is from big business and in that sense he's playing to his
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audience he doesn't have to convince you to vote for him because you're not i don't think a member of. the conservative party i think the donations are purely coincidental that's going to big iran threatening to withdraw completely from the j.c.b. away with the other members of the p 5 plus one let alone told trump on sundays they say take us through this angle here story this story's about the law of unintended consequences the headline europe leaders defy trump on iran with bold move now you will know that unilaterally wonderful president of the united states donald trump decided to pull out of painstakingly agreed nuclear deal which iran seemed to be tearing to which pretty much guaranteed that iran wouldn't be building those norty atom bombs but that was good enough for atomic bomb he decided to walk out of it causing huge international stress what's happened here is europe's kept the promise europe said it would not be bullied by the united states into cutting ties with iran now at last after a huge delay they find
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a complicated way of doing it they can sell some stuff to iran iran can pay for it this is for the evading of sanctions because trump has said if you any other country trades with iran we'll attack the other countries with sanctions again but fair play to european union they said they wouldn't be bullied by america if they see this through it's the 1st sign of hope that it might deescalate the situation which donald trump's responsible for meanwhile still in the middle east israel has been bombing iran very little coverage in western nato nation mainstream media want to weigh in and take us through her story that says israel strikes iranian targets in syria a report says 16 killed 21 wouldn't it the headline doesn't say that children were killed as well this is israel conducting not a secret war by its own private campaign they're hitting targets which it reckons are supplied with iranian weapons but the collateral damage to civilians the reason this is they had damaging military equipment used by the syrian government to
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attack al qaeda linked in isis link groups in the region to israel is de facto backing and. well it's the unintended consequence again the issue here is the reason they don't get coverage of it is because as you pointed out it's really complicated it's not even obvious why israel thinks it's in its own interests to do this and why do you think there are so many refugees leaving the region maybe because all the because of things like this maybe it's because it's not a very safe place to live and where does this all go back to the arab spring that's remember this all started when the west thought it could get nice friendly governments all across the middle east that went wrong and this is the collateral damage which affects us all a bit over thank you well the fighting in syria is just placed almost 7000000 people according to the u.n. or is it 10 to the 70000000 refugees worldwide an all time high figure so is it any wonder that the elites who arguably created this crisis have a vested interest in dehumanizing those who leave their home countries to seek
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a better life we caught up with believe folk or the award winning director of a mean a new film that follows a senegalese immigrant working in france and puts a human face on those that global elites degrade humiliate and victimize philip tell me about the new film. i mean in the mean is the story of a man who moved from senegal to france to work leaving behind his wife and children in senegal and only seeing them once a year so he doesn't see his children growing up he's disconnected from his wife and in france life isn't very fun it's only dedicated to work to his needs and the obligation to earn money to send it back in the evenings he meets up with men who live alone like him or until one day in france he meets a woman who he knows that in france relations between men and women are not the same needs to be very cautious but through his need for human contact he lets
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himself full into this relationship with this affair which allows him to have some balance with his work in france the doubts start forming in senegal his wife starts asking questions because the money he sends means that a large number of the family can survive those who help pay for his trip there's a sort of unspoken element both out of prudishness and economic need and the sort of pressure on her from the family to not ask too many questions and accept the situation. and when you walk around a nato nation capital and see building contractors with immigrant labor do you think this film will humanize those people in those buildings. aspect that that's what certain observers of the film have told me that's really the people who build these buildings all roads in france and europe who do this very physical work that the people they meet often ask themselves these questions
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about their lives and why they're there and indeed some observers have told me that the film will undoubtedly change how these people are viewed do you think there are some forces in society that want to deal with those of them well this film tries to humanize them but. these are people who have quite an inhumane life who are no longer capable of living a balanced life in france indeed we often reproach these people for being there but they're there because they greeted these working living conditions that are no longer accepted in europe but ironic that the only sense of community in the film is the immigrants doing the manual labor the the bush was e have nothing but clearly a nation in the world really. says yes these people who have very difficult lives in france who are only working to send money home due to their isolation they are
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forced to meet together creates connections and support each other it's something that is a little absence that has become a little bit absent in what's gabrielle has with her husband and that's how life is a little fractured. aside from the senegalese immigrant there is french algerian as it were with the french daughter watching this film it looks like nothing has changed since the 1950 s. . do you think we suppressed that that yes this character abdul our aziz who came from morocco is the previous generation it's the generation before i mean and in fact is the generation that's often come from north africa now immigration is from this part of africa mali senegal emerged tamia and abdul as easy as someone who has had a life similar to mean in another period and he also came and left his wife in his country and in the film we understand that he separated from his wife had children
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in finance and is now returning to morocco to see his children that he had there and then return to france to his french shoulder and it's a similar situation to i mean i mean caesar's children who tell him that he is like a pretend father and his wife tells him that he is like a fake husband and so it's a life that is a little struggle between the 2 countries. so do you think that globalization has become a sort of into the national apartheid. we sit in on yes sure we live in a world in which the difference is that existed previously between cities and rule areas in france or italy for example have now shifted to a country to country differences so today in western societies we use a workforce that comes from really far away from africa or from eastern europe and the people who have come from far away live a life removed from the society i think to which they contribute through their work there is something that is amplified that existed previously between cities in the
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countryside small and that's now exists on a global level. but do you think there are some issues that unite all those immigrant communities in the sense i know you worked on palestine before whether it be palestine iraq. and there are big issues that you know it was ignorance in the field. last. piece are complex issues like that where these people begin their lives very far from their home there are people whose motive for leaving is war or difficult living conditions and others who moved to seek work elsewhere so all of that is a little complicated but perhaps what unites all of these people is an ability to live and survive and create connections with people who are in the same conditions of survival which sometimes don't exist elsewhere i should i should actually just ask also. i mean the advise is people in senegal to be.
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wary of thinking of traveling to a nato country using rafts. you didn't you didn't think the need of showing that thousands of course of drowned on the news shores. it's something he says you know that the boy has an illusion as to what he expects to find in europe he knows that there are in europe he will have an extremely difficult life and before arriving to europe he will take a journey that is dangerous and that he is leaving his former life behind but also he knows of the reasons for which the boy is leaving him that he has no future where he is and that he needs to go somewhere else to find the means to support his family so that's why he tells him that i can't tell you to go or not to go you know what needs to be done he both wants to not encourage him to go but also he knows he
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can't tell him not to go but thank you for the vocal thank you thank you her much phillipe speaking to us there in central london and tickets to see i mean are available online now that's it for the show will be back on saturday with human rights why should we black you see why for former british prime minister tony blair to investigate a middle east human rights case that is called the attention of the russian and u.s. governments until they get to drive social media see them. trump's impromptu visit to the d.m.z. separating the 2 koreas was ime precedented and historic indeed it was a bold even brilliant decision of course his political opponents particularly the democrats running for president and the media slam an orthodox diplomacy is on the
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side of peace. a u.s. navy seal accused of multiple war crimes including a brutal murder in a combat zone is acquitted by a military court as a key witness claims responsibility for the killing. of churches in tel aviv burn cars and throw petrol bombs after an israeli ethiopian teenager is shot dead by an off duty police officer. tell of true sucker feist's has revealed the 14 sailors who died of a deep sea vessel fire in northwest russia gave up their lives to save their colleagues. and supporters of julian react with anger to a british foreign office pool.

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