investment back from that fund so that was just a nonsense in relation to the forged documents the extraordinary thing about that is this claim 1st started because a disgruntled employee who while she just sacked went to the authorities complaining about her. subsequently an auditor audited the books of the port authority and produced 2 documents which he said showed that they had been claiming for services rendered to the port authority which were not actually jews at all subsequently that very person was convicted of forging those documents and was sentenced to 6 months imprisonment he in fact absconded so isn't in prison and very recently in the last month came back to kuwait where the kuwaiti court even though he discounted and been convicted have allowed him out on bail while his appeal against that is heard the contrast to what happened to marcia couldn't be

more stark somebody convicted and absconded marcia who's been under investigation this is been hanging over her head and since 2012 she's been actively pursued by the authorities since 2015 so much so that she's been on bail when she was on bail and her american green card expired she wasn't able to go and go to the states because she only and the bail conditions are like there are accuser and yet she was then detained for 472 days since november 27th 17 until just this june while he has been treated completely different is very arbitrary it's basically a personal problem with spiraled out of control why would they want to pick on her the great judicial system or is that the greater authority is we believe that there is. in a sense this is bizarre why is this happening i haven't even told you that the same

time this you you mentioned about these the sky idea that she them besought she actually bought of a company brought civil proceedings in the kuwaiti court saying this money is doing owing and the quaids the civil courts both but for. 1st instance on appeal actually agreed and said yes this money is due and owing and should be paid that's part of the allegations against islam the right out if it doesn't know what the left hand is doing some people wages you think what you think about the death penalty which has just been reintroduced. what you expect them was just as from a middle east or talks in any way well 1st stop kuwait who is just stepped out has as chair of the security council for this last month and who has signed all the un treaties particularly the basic rights that everyone should expect in relation to a fair trial should respect them secondly we have many many non-nationals in

kuwait and indeed in the gulf states generally who are coming there to do business acting and behaving lawfully they need to have to expect and have the confidence that the judicial system will treat them fairly and not arbitrarily as this is happened in this case there was a big conference here about our british investments and there was a general ease about what was happening to foreign investors in the gulf in relation to the criminalize ation of what is essentially commercial disputes and essentially fights between commercial companies for lucrative gulf contracts and we believe that this is that marsh if you like is collateral damage in the wider by every between local firms for lucrative gulf contracts but i want to get on to international economic pressure in a 2nd it's quite noisy here very busy law firm it is i want to ask 1st of all

you've filed a petition of complaint to the u.n. working group on arbiter detention would you expect from the working group that well we found out about a month ago now kuwait has 6 weeks to respond so we're eagerly awaiting a very. spawn's to see how they justify this bizarre behavior for some of their courts. and then following that kuwait has time to respond and then they are working group will then consider what has happened and give their opinion as to whether in fact this is a case of arbitrary detention or not we confidently expect that an impartial body like that will see the difficulties in justifying this particular aspect and to come up with that is it partly depends of course on the response from kuwait because as i said they have 6 weeks they could ask for another month depends how big that long that response is so we're not talking about imminently that we will

we will wait and see at the same time we've also engaged with another procedure the u.n. which is called the special report on the independence of judges and prosecutors and that is just his role isn't just to look at the independence of judges it's also to look at the. standard of behavior and in this case for example there was an explicit are thing that happened just the other week because i mention that marsh has not been able to push the case and she has a very. support from including the former f.b.i. head who has looked at the evidence against and we've produced a report when he produced that reports to the court the judge came out with the extraordinary question of him which was who played you in the channel 4 series homeland i was in the kuwaiti court that was in the kuwaiti court because he was 4 of. louis freeh ok what was the point of the u.n.

arbitration working committee because as you know well they've criticized british authorities this came i think even before the u.n. special report on torture accused the british government of involving torture julian a search for under wiki leaks if the british authorities don't. appear to care much about findings on arbitrary detention when it comes to the most famous publisher in the world what do you begin to think about your glimpse of the u.n. i'm well of the great government thing of course you know the u.n. working groups the un special rapporteur don't have any teeth i mean they don't have any troops to send in they don't have a police force to send in however they do have. opinion false and underweight of international condemnation behind that it's also the fact that as you may or may not be aware that under the u.n. human rights council there are 4 year leave reviews of countries compliance with

human rights standards and kuwait is coming up in january and certainly we intend to make sure that this issue about the trial process and how there seems to be arbitrary justice a different sets of rules for one group of people from another and the dangers for international business pair persons coming to kuwait to carry out business invest. in the country that should be something that we intend hope will be raised very strongly and kuwait would have to answer for that in the in the court of the united nations in the court of public opinion from you being human rights lawyer for you lara logan as a whole long i mean isn't this the problem with human rights when the lead rich russian national gets into problems in the middle eastern country. they get protection from lawyers like you understand the virtual claims kuwait and julie

restricts reno expression discriminates against the we do community there are reports of torture before death sentences. why is it only there were i'm not saying that marsh is the only person who may have suffered here. in kuwait overseas that would be ridiculous but you know 1st of all mushed isn't exactly a elite. rich russian she is a businesswoman who has made her way in the world she has become very prominent in kuwait partly because so few women hold her sort of position that she made that position as though she came to kuwait as a foreign national and because of her work and has skills. put herself in that position secondly of course there are other human rights violations that we can we can all see around the world but one of the question surely is human rights is for everyone and rich or poor to have your liberty arbitrarily taken away from you.

should not be done it out to process on a proper system of law you mention the former head of the f.b.i. louis freeh people have remarked on the very high profile defenders of the liberty of bush. river neil bush the son of george or walker bush. the door trump has been briefed by a renter for me a lawyer and the russian foreign minister sergei lavrov why do you think this case is attracting such high profile support because i think as we know people are concerned about the ability of international trade to operate in the in the right manner and this question about can business people who are going about their lawful business complying with the laws of the state can they be sure that if

there is some sort of dispute it won't be turned against them in a way that leads to what happened to marsha $472.00 days in a kuwaiti prison confined in a room with 6 other women which was actually a cell phone to deprive in prison she was quite described as the russian woman in fact in court in some of the earlier hearings the judge described as the russian woman this does not show. an equality before the law which is finally we're in the same building as the cherie blair foundation what is it given controversial surname you have what is the validation and what does it do around the world the let the schriever. foundation to it's 10 years old now in those 10 years we've reached 150000 women in lower middle income countries and providing them with training mentoring networks and. use of technology

to grow and expand the small medium and growing businesses women taking control of their future and helping them to realize their dreams. thank you thank you after the break adviser to prince charles and porridge on his name checking by mark roylance when he put the world shakespeare company over be. coming up with what you have going on the ground. if you will not obey the voice of the lord your god be careful to do all these commandments and the statutes which i command you this day in all these curses shall come upon you and overtake you. and then the white people is stolen property

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meant someone else was going to pay on the other side and the people that paid on the other side which everyone else is. welcome back to the u.n. in geneva is today presented with a report into british racism exacerbated by conservative and liberal democrat politicians after the $28.00 western economic crisis u.n. special report and. even suggested that the u.k. government should not be surprised by allegations of racism brazil woodley she was referring to outgoing prime minister of tourism a. hostile environments and deportation advertisement but will things get better here because may has cell. said that boris johnson uses the wrong words when it comes to discrimination it's very clear that the language that boris johnson used to describe people's appearance has caused offense it's not language i would have used i think it's wrong to use that language boris of course could be prime

minister in june of weeks or it could be this man the defacto former boss of the u.k. is universal health care system when doctors went out on strike here he is questioning the right of foreigners to get free health care is it right that someone can come from overseas perhaps a tourist coming from america or japan and actually pay nothing towards the health care some might argue it is especially if it deterred a tourist with a contagious disease from seeking medical help while visiting britain but have both contenders to be prime minister by august have anything in common it is their interest in say fracking jeremy hunt was in slovenia lobbying for fracking in february and johnson has argued that households should have a commercial interest in fracking that's not something that would be supported by dry end of green politics in britain for decades joining me now is the chancellor of kill university an environmental campaigner jonathon porritt thanks so much older for coming on so let's go straight to more graylands one of britain's greatest actors name checking you don't plea as one of the reasons he

has decided to sever ties with the royal shakespeare company is because of its sponsorship by b.p. . to be fair this is. all mark's decision really and he asked me what i felt about it knowing that i have over the years done some work with oil and gas companies including b.p. and shell and had to come to a judgment for myself about the degree to which they are serious now about thriving in a low carbon world without further investments in oil and gas so we talked about that at length and i feel very strongly that when someone like mark feels a moral imperative that is wrong for a company like b.p. to be spending some of its what he would call ill gotten gains on supporting young people through the assisted ticket scheme you have to we have to listen to him he's thought about this really carefully it's a very deep moral decision for him but i mean he quoted you as saying that

b.p. has downplayed its role in causing the climate emergency now you just said you advise b.p. moon where they downplay it back then or the time that i was working with b.p. was when lord brown was chief exec who's been on this show i should say good. there was a whole length of time for 5 years where b.p. was really serious about trying to think its way out of being a pure oil and gas company becoming what john brown described as an integrated energy company in fact he would quite often say we're not an oil and gas company we're going to be an integrated energy company dr brown was very driven in his determination to change b.p. around it didn't happen and once they'd lost that opportunity then so this is sort of 2000 at the time that he was chief exec once that happened then they reverted to a much more traditional conventional row which is we have to keep rolling out the

investments in new and gas every year to replace the stuff we bring out of the ground every year and they've never they've never got back seriously into now. police plea. is against what you're saying bob dudley the current american c.e.o. says b.p. continues to make bold changes continues to me bold changes across the group as part of our commitment to advancing a low carbon future you know this is getting a bit outrageous that these companies will still talk about the fact we're going to be burning huge amounts of oil and gas through 220402050 etc etc and the next moment they'll turn around and say we're being really serious now about our economy insistent with the climate goals of the bears agreement is what they say but but you have to look at the pattern of investment the amount of money they're spending on renewable energy now in comparison to the amount of money they're putting into brand new oil and gas projects as are $4000000000.00 half

a 1000000000 on renewables $16000000000.00 on oil and gas and that's the pattern that goes on year after year after year and they have to get smart about this before their investors get smart about it because once the investors say we're not going to put any more money into projects that are never going to be able to deliver the revenues for us as investors given the world has to decarbonise. during that time the inverse is eventually going to say to bob dudley and his board you've got this wrong you're calling this wrong there's no way around this of course the investors can be politicians regulations actually mean that not diversifying into renewables is still profitable not diversity firing into radials is like signing your own death warrant we have to have massive new investments in renewables every year i mean at the moment investments in renewable is run at about about $300000000000.00 a year globally which isn't bad it's quite

a lot of money going into it as you can imagine but we need somewhere between $800000000000.00 and a. trillion dollars of new investment in renewables every year so politicians are getting smarter about this to be fair a middling performance on this world leader on offshore wind power put a lot of resource and thinking into that and that's the one area where we're still a world leader but every country in the world now is going to have to step up the speed and the depth of the investment it makes in renewables when you engine armageddon there just stepping back from this when you were talking with people at shell and people at b.p. some people say this is the 1st generation of people in history that of. trying to argue over something that their own children may be affected by against the interests of their own children and talk about ruling elites in dealing you make of what do you make of that presumably had conversations with people who said what

you're saying is not well to pick a word sustainable financially. it was always the most fascinating moment whenever we were doing this in gage when work with b.p. or show we did i did a lot of advisory work as well. and after the end of the formal process as it were and we were having a drink or dinner or whatever it would be. time after time they would say i'm really more worried about this than you can imagine because my kids are on my back already they're telling me this is something that we have to sort out in this company now that was 1015 years ago you can imagine what it's like now with extinction rebellion with the school strikes with gratitude with david attenborough out there saying to everybody that this is now a challenge to the very nature of our civilization you can imagine what the kids of these chief exacts are like around the dinner table with their parents right now

and i tell you something that's as influential a way of getting to them as practically anything else. ok but if. you're a. struggling playwright struggling artist struggling portrayed just. the national portrait gallery the royal opera house the british museum they all take money from b.p. should people be boycotting these institutions and surely there are people at all these organizations that understand what you do about the environment have decided they have to get b.p. money to keep going they don't have to there's been a understandable reason why they have come to rely on big sponsors like b.p. this isn't a general campaign against corporate sponsorship for the arts this is a very specific story about companies like b.p. and shell and it is important to make that case because there's no reason at all why the r a c shouldn't find another sponsor for this is to take it scheme it's

just that his mother pointed out very compellingly he just said look you're providing a benefit for these kids but at the same time you're denying it. that the business that you're in is going to destroy their future well they've obviously have their own reasons for making these decisions but aside from i mean we have to understand obviously consumer boycotts are not going to win this as nobel laureate economist or stiglitz calls it 3rd world war for the environment is that any of us want to change or out of the picture any of you is watching them what can they watch out as consumers watch as for greenwashing by big corporate multinationals again i you know we do a lot of work with businesses a lot of businesses are doing a ton of stuff now this is not all green wash the kind of position how do they tell the difference was that is a good question but when you're in the business of oil and gas and you say that don't worry the future is safe in our hands you know you're dealing with a really deep greenwash that so bob dudley is a green washer in chief most people have got

a pretty canny instinct for the difference between stuff that is real and he's making a difference not as big a difference as we need but a difference and the stuff that they know is just a marketing scam so you support it extinction rebellion when they targeted 5 fossil fuel companies and quarters in london b b saudi aramco reps will you support that because you could see what elites arguably thought of this kind of thing mark field of or and former foreign minister suspended for i don't know what you thought of how he treated the extinction rebellion climate change protester at the mansion house when johnson philip hammond was giving his speech and i was at a dinner in mansion i was accusing the extinction rebellion people of being elite. there's a certain irony there and the way he behaved i think is widely accepted to have been completely wrong. i can see why he was really cross because. you know nobody likes. a protest reminding you very very compellingly

that there are different way of looking there are different ways of looking at this world and now we have to decouple the no one likes that when you're sunk deep in the middle of a consensus about the usefulness of fossil fuels but his behavior was unacceptable while the un special rapporteur for the balls to go short shrift from the government when he was talking about poverty and austerity policies by this government he's now saying that the environmental crisis or catastrophe. will claim under $20000000.00 of the world's poorest. they will be driven into poverty by 2030 elites in this society are taking that seriously. and you take it seriously i take all that very seriously indeed and this all goes back to the official scientific reports from the governments advisory body from the intergovernmental panel on climate change and those reports become more and more outspoken in telling us what will happen if we allow the gases to build up in the

atmosphere and the temperature gets warmer and warmer they are very clear that we're heading into some very difficult and dark times so when you hear a projection like that which is based on the inevitability of increased droughts increased disruption more people refugee as refugees increasing sea levels you can't help but acknowledge that the poorest of the poor around the world are going to be in the frame 1st they will be hit 1st and hard as you look at puerto rico with the hurrican debt devastating it will take them 5 to 10 years to recover from that so this isn't this isn't some crazy future although president trump said puerto rico would recover i'm going to ask about trump because i live aboard this year the military have a big part of it for a change the u.s. military apparently is the biggest polluter it has polluted more than 100 combined states actual countries do you think anything will can seriously be done about the

u.s. military quite of. the national portrait gallery and there is an interesting story to be told here the carbon footprint of the u.s. military so you look at everything all the equipment and sounds of it is absolutely huge it's enormous and there's no turning away from that probably the only high level voice in donald trump's ear at the moment saying you've got to take this climate change story seriously because this is as big a threat to national security in the u.s. as anything else going on in china or russia anywhere else and that's because it will be so disruptive they'll be. millions of people on the move will lose access to markets it'll just be a mess and in a mess extremists terrorists flourish it's much harder to manage things like migration in a proper way so the pentagon has been one of the most thoughtful sources of advice to the us president past and present. of any us agency going back now 15 years

to the point thank you thank you that's it for the show will be back on wednesday after bart's jones and jeremy hunt slug it out on t.v. to persuade point 3 percent of the u.k. electorate that they should be britain's prime minister by the end of the month until then people talk about social media see them. so the temporary orders that i'm under before i go to final trial actually do allow me to address them as james and use male pronouns but i cannot do that in front of 3rd parties who know him as a girl so basically i can't go to a school i keep them away from any friends he might have at school at all there's a girl at my home he's known as james and i use male pronouns what i'm prohibited from doing right now is trying to convince him that he's actually

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influential intellectuals of our time speaks about the modern civilization of america. the u.s. launches a new strategy to counter so-called malign kremlin influence provoking hosh reaction from moscow which granted it and to russian propaganda plus. you're a boy right now. a 6 year old boy in the u.s. state of texas is caught up in a bit custody battle between his divorced mother and father who come to grief which gender the child should be identified as. i consider this to be child abuse and the sexual mutilation of children on a on an industrial scale so it makes me feel terrible i can't believe that a mother would do this. and the u.k. government told his new best.