since my 1st trip to libya was and then $69.00. and better also so he spect was a tradition and always a completely leaves and. going to one. she's while all easy to show off i think where all countries are fighting over libya why not giving. me to it to exist as a voice and to jointly express what i would like to do is a home country she's my aim is not to make peace east to peate. the fundamentals to create. for. peace this is what i'm trying to say what kind of effort do you have to make to actually bring these people together in the same room bust class is always a big word yes he said he went but it's essential it's what they have done for

libya for example he's a following a tie to look i don't the 5. is a general scope of political the. 2 extremes of the scope and i for i found bishop was aids and very close to. their feet and their large ability belhaj was formed fault but to fight it has got to fit him since he is the age of 70 so yeah and those are the 2 weeks or so as is the one who uses it will never talk together because. one accusing the other of. the worst things and. so i put them together how how by convincing them that their meeting will be not to discuss. the past and what these won't but to see what

they have in common. what do you want for in common what is that point of course versions as far as the v.a.'s go. is concerned and the knowing is a point of the. point where they don't like anyone and it happens. of course you accept me. on people or as a people of a photo as how can you meet the man how can you see to. be sure sunday but homes that meeting. ziad agree on very simple principle about the future of libya. is a visa to should be one country should be a civilian government should be an army we respond to civilian government so this should be an independent judiciary because this is something that's what i'm saying like this is something that international diplomats have been trying to do forever and you're just saying you know i convinced both sides that they shouldn't talk about the past just talk about the future and a common goal of libya this is

a very simple straightforward formula that other diplomats use as well i still don't understand how it works out when you come in a dozen when other diplomats to you must have a key that others don't know what is that key thing i ever keep the one they have a past meant to give them some kind of guarantees what. so there's no guarantee you could have. at the beginning or they could have left the shows are after 5 minutes no the problem is. once you have once you are not an institution when you are not a government. your voice is your voice it belongs to you and if this trust in your voice zen people accept to do sings they wouldn't accept was a situation we as it were is a difference between palin diplomacy and andrew fishel diplomacy is the office of

diplomacy is one line everybody talks the same way it mean nobody can have the individual opinion they have to express what was it. the others or is it the early for that me i am not bound to that i can i can have i can do what i want when i want and people believe as close me. just one example in south africa i start dialogues between white and black by an exchange of prisoners and other than 60 people or 5 countries in force 5 country and 1st. place in. my muslim baek it happened very smoothly everything went right not one document was saying that is not the best which has been sacked everybody

rife with this was a plain stupid but back to back of the prisoner's everybody believe that it should be issued arrive at that time and be part of that that. not one people and that it was involving millions country like hans or south africa now media mozambique. so i wonder if it always goes down so i had a friend an american friend who was working at the fall of apartheid in south africa just like you and he was telling me you know every time he's in the conflict resolution as well and he was how we know every time i go for a new job i have this feeling that i know what to do i know how to fix it i know it better and after 3 years of being there he was like you just fall into this state where you understand you don't know anything and you probably will never understand anything do you ever get that feeling when you go to a new conflict to

a new country where you feel like i know it i'm going to do this and then you're on the ground and you trying to do your job trying trying trying and then at the end of the day you like i just don't understand anything in probably never will you interview about success. so it's good they had some success but they had a little failure i had big failure i pod to fix. so of course i am. doing my success but why is to give a chance to to the to peace to give a chance to peace doesn't mean that you get on that you will bring peace but at least you give a chance to achieve peace this is what i'm going to tell you to do with no guarantees that i will succeed so i am much more courageous and much more ambitious than if i am seeking ways and i'm going to succeed or not she's not my issue i am

not sinking was what i was a chance what i was a statistic what i was a possibility for me to succeed and not interested i just say shall i do i have enough elements in my hands to try to bring peace. do i have elements here. are my going to put them aside to not doing what they want no of course not i go for it this is their s. like danger at any point in your line of work where you feel like sense of superiority here i am white man from the land of perspired in peace i come to you patty squabbling our solve your pain because i know better does do you ever get that feeling because it's dangerous there's a there's a fine line when you have so much power and trust. in your hands and you can make the processes move you can get that sense you can yeah sure i don't you don't have

i am very as i don't. sure of what i'm doing that i am as i am. i don't know as well in the english i'm sorry as i doubt about what i am doing just a feeling of superiority that can never. because if i doubt that means that they don't have a sense of superiority. and i never go is a sense of and people know that you know we are dealing with men we are dealing with human and sometimes we have to put 2 sides of paper and document. z. explaining. explain it. to to get. a human side in the piece because everybody one. people who. is a muslim to be the most were a cock there somewhere somehow was hoping for peace and want peace is

easy in it out of all but i think maybe something good when worst and sense of security that a lot of big powers get while they're going in conflicts is ignorance because right now we see a lot of politicians. they don't have the understanding of the region when they actually act in that region they don't know the complexity of the fragility of the places that they affect for instance i remember president obama saying that not lack of planning in libya was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his presidency just recently norway admitted having no idea what they were doing when they send their claims to bomb libya and we see that happening actually a lot where does this i'm a tour approach come from i mean should they elected leaders be sent to some mandatory job or have political lessons about the world because this happens all

the time. you know when you when you start to do something and it's valid for government or individuals don't try to don't. seem twice before you. even need to bad and you replace it by the worse and unfortunately what's happened more and more in the past you you you want to check to take off of good take of the bad but you replace it by something less of the bad you have taking off and for me of course how can you avoid that you avoid it by i think o.c.d. asians z.z.z. . because when when you leave a conflict by keating and those are when you when you. kidding and those of the people you face but when you deal with the issue with.

the c.d.c. as if you've bought do you really want to build a future together. you are avoiding to replace. bad to worse here we're going to take a short break right now while we come back we'll continue talking about parallel diplomacy what is it and is it more effective than the official diplomacy stay with us. the poseidon adventure mixed with the titanic in one. loss all sinking of the

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and we're back with. expert diplomacy and the chairman of the foundation and i remember you expressing your opinion in the early times of the syrian conflict escalation you were about wrote about wars of good versus evil. that was you write

that you know that you've said that this is led by us and they can no longer force on everyone because balance of power is shifting so i always think of why does the united states still go over and over again for the same strategy of fighting the black and white good versus evil wars when it has brought all his slaves so much misery to the world and to themselves in the 1st place. why not to me to answer to this question you're a true diplomat no i'm not to this is not to me sure why you why should a express an opinion on leisure travel or any kind know i. am just as it were worse yes. i am just saying we have to be very worried that you we by taking something bad will be placings by subsidy given us and this story as proof that some of the actions taken by this one those. they placing something

bad something event with us. we leave that to the 20th century and. those mistakes because while as you said about president obama they were not planning after what do we do after how i work and for me i am taking this afternoon as a very fundamental bass. after has to be a consideration is it easily cost addition they can be exchange of opinion it can be democracy at last i'm not talking about western democracy or eastern democracy or specific democracy a book is the ability of the people to decide of their own future and that can be only be done. before they can see the issues or cure and that it is here so you just mentioned earlier in the into that parallel diplomacy in official diplomacy it's pyro because they go without crossing pass so that means that you're not part

of the system right official system there that this stablish meanwhile when you do your job as a diplomat. a lot of your success stories in the african period they were tied to to how they were tied to chicago scene you kind of are in the system or are you completely not part of the system. after certain moments. it's time for the system to take over. that's for sure i am as i said earlier i am not here to make peace i am here to facilitate peace who is going to make peace izzie a situation because you need plenty agreement it's one which i am not thinkable to to take so yes after certain moment there is let's say if. some people accept it some countries accept it there is a like of communication and. a takeover

by country of 2 brings everything to lose if in the finality when i did so. which led to the independence of let me be and for the 1st time as a cuban and the american was sitting at the same table with together with the south africans younger than it was i have the political as been signed it was taken by the un and there was a big show in. the un for the signing of the agreement i was not even invited i want to invent nobody invited me when they all know that i was initiated this is because this time at a certain moment of the official takeover and i have don't pretend that i can replace what is off the show of course not i am not here to the place anybody i am not here to to do. to i am here to help to assist not

to replace the official diplomats listen to your advice as an outsider or do they really try to shut you down because it's competition then we have to go back to the human nature i have extolled the need for friends with our diplomats and zander said what i do and prove what it. of course. they belong to. myself probably not but then again it is not white and black it's i have very good friends we have diplomats they had. and they have no problem with them because it is really allies that bring some seeing the extent. of the progress but of course it is situation we don't like me maybe they don't like successes or has have your political convictions or i don't know moral convictions ever get in the way of doing the job as a imperil the commissaire for instance this guy i cannot talk to that want to talk

to or whatever you feel personally is always irrelevant if you have to make peace and make people reconcile. there is not one person in the planet have so i would have a few sort of course never one. as criminally can be i will accept if he is a lady to talk about peace i will talk to him of course in the beginning of the interview set that i bring fighting sides to one table because there is trust you know they trust me and they trust that you know with they come together it's going to be for the better of the common cause does this always work how do you make people who are not willing to reconcile change their mind or this is only work when they actually do want to negotiate their side you see this is a tactic between records. when i did i did the 1st conference which is in

may in that car which is called now that i won because hopefully we are going to have a dugout to. i did vitals people said i didn't know who are the people but i have done. i went to bishop's alley i went to the letter village and i said peace convinced your friends to come to the conference so exam. and been convincing their friends to come to the conference so i was not exposed as a person the test was. jumping jumping from one person to the other but at the end of this way also because if i would have been the one who had been travelling with my leg age and going to to see the people i want to invade to convince maybe i would not have succeeded because it dawned on me send a verse of me they who is white man in the in the libyan conflict as you say. but

if i am using somebody was done by so. that's a different push this is something which is you don't very briefly when i started to be interested in africa i had a chance i was very young i was 20 i was every i was invited for dinner by a very fantastic men we were president of a could divide the very cause. me and he invited me sort of our lunch and he was listening to me and i was interested in going to told him what i want to do with africa an hour into africa i was there and as the end of the dinner he said you are interested with africa i am going to give you only one advice only one never enter an african village if you are not accompanied by somebody who is known by the village. and they have apply. all my life.

again don't tease a question is. at the beginning is never given by myself is given by somebody who has a test of a person. and it works so i realize that there are no guarantees of any kind of anything when you get 2 people when you get people in the same room that have been killing each other for such a long time so it's a big deal that they sit down but what is the success rate usually those people who have been feuding for so long ok they're in the same room what is the success rate after they start talking have you i'm sure you've. already there are in your personal theory i don't i don't count ok but let me tell you something is where the dialogue is the most essential because that means even if accepted to meet. it has been a patient it was a meeting is not is not. no idea what they're going to discuss their

bed so india actually india take the dialogue has been established between them. most of the most of the time for me so. don't. have before the meat. evaluated appreciative. that it was going to be very be very sour and i was already but i never experienced. a moment where i put 2 parties together and no one is left never explained that they might not and. it did happen in the car one when after our messages i mean delegates. accepted to be on the plane their charter i did that but when this all was going to be their homes i said no we cannot sit there with the same people in the left so. the.

ways that. i never experimented but do you know like gestures words that oh it already like signal to you that there's going to be a deal here do you feel yes dance or are this like a center for ages and is when you're intervene. you know you're on the toilet. he manes as long as it is not. beginning or slight of a conflict your positions then yes you have the right to intervene and calm down and tell people that she's what you mean she's what the ones in the end of the day maybe you you can match and. you feel it you go sation you you feel it's a time. you use you should. intervene yes when you work on a complicated conflict like syria and if not then what would your advice people to

do that no i will never work on 2 conflicts because unfortunately syria is going to be young people of syria of syria. i still believe that in libya yes not yet it should live and where it goes beyond the people of libya in syria has gone beyond the people of syria as a pretty people of syria today doesn't call it i mean it's. so. what will be my role too to do or do to have syrian government matching. the u.s. government. and that i don't have the keys and. i cannot and that is all i give up i don't have i'm not following sourcing it's well good luck in the cases that you are involved and i'm sure they're going to be successful like most of the cases you have undertaken thank you much but this is thank you very

much it's been a pleasure it was been a pleasure for me to. make . clear.

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