plugging quietly as private citizens out of the spotlight. mistrust and blood feuds patiently bringing warring parties to the table why does parallel citizen diplomacy work with. the people. with the promise of nobel peace prize. and how do they get the job done. thank you very much for being with us today thank you for everything. to be in such an interesting profession i want to know all about it so you are a noted negotiator lots of success stories in africa i know that you're now trying to get sites in libya to sit down and talk i mean in a way you're more successful than united nations at least you're getting these guys to sit down and talk. as you would need united nations but also somewhere somehow i needed those. 2

forces which. so you are right now talking about putting down the barriers of mistrust in libya but those barriers are were actually put up way before you and for the reasons that are beyond you what makes you think that an outsider can bring them down. 1st times are. the knowledge of the country and i know as a country. since my 1st trip to libya was i meant $69.00. and better also so he spect was a tradition and always a completely leaves and. going to one. while all easy to show off i think where all countries affecting over libya why not giving really begin to perceive me to have to exist as a voice and to jointly express what i would like to do is

a home country she's my aim is not to make peace east to create. the fundamentals to create. for. peace this is what i'm trying to do so what kind of effort do you have to make to actually bring this people together in the same room bust. test is always a big word yes used to be when but it's essential what they have done for libya for example is a following i've tied to look i've done to 5. is a general scope of politically. 2 extremes of the scope and i for i found bishop was aides and very close to their feet and. they let you belhaj was formed it was thought but to fight has got to fit him since he has years of 70

so. and those odds are 2 weeks or so as is the one who uses it will never talk together because. one accusing the other of. the worst sinks and. so i put them together how how by convincing them that their meeting will be not to discuss. the past and what these won't but do see what they have in common what they want to force in common what is that point of conversions as far as the vehicle is is concerned and the knowing is a point of difference also a point where they don't like anyone and it happens. of course you accept any city case by their own people or as a people of a follow else how can you meet can you see to his can you see to be sure sonny

but films that meeting. ziad agree on very simple principle about the future of libya. is a visa should be one country should be a civilian government should be an army will respond to civilian government so this should be an independent judiciary because this is something that's what i'm saying like this is something that international diplomats have been trying to do forever and you're just saying you know i convinced both sides that they shouldn't talk about the past just talk about the future and a common goal of libya this is a very simple straightforward formula that other diplomats use as well i still don't understand how it works out when you come in a dozen when other diplomats to you must have a key that others don't know what is that key thing they ever keep the one they have a past 20 do them some kind of guarantees what. you could have. a hand at the beginning it was a complete left shows are after 5 minutes no the problem is. once you have

once you are not an institution when you are not a government your voice is your voice it belongs to you and even. in your voice zen people accept to do seems they would not accept was a situation. is this is a difference between diplomacy and official diplomacy. diplomacy is one like everybody talks the same way it means nobody can have individual opinions they have to express what is it. different than me i am not bound to that i can i can have i can do what i want when i want and people believe as close to me. just one example in south africa i stopped the dialogues between white and black by an exchange of prisoners.

or than 60 people. 5 country forms 5 country and 4. has 2 places in the. muslim beak it did a very small sleep everything went right not one document was site so he's not the best bet. which has been site everybody rife with his address was in plain stupid but back of the back of the president everybody believe that it should be issued that i have at that time and be part of that that. not one people . and that it was evolving major country like hans or south africa. mozambique so i wonder if it always goes down so sometimes i had a friend an american friend who was working at the fall of apartheid in south

africa just like you and he was telling me you know every time he's in the conflict resolution as well and he was how we know every time i go for a new job i have this feeling that i know what to do i know how to fix said i know it better and after 3 years of being there he was like you just fall into this state where you understand you don't know anything and you probably will never understand anything do you ever get that feeling when you go to a new conflict to a new country where you feel like i know it i'm going to do this and then you're on the ground and you're trying to do your job trying trying trying and then at the end of the day you like i just don't understand anything and probably never will you were talking about success. so it's good i had some success but they had also failure. i had big failure i tied to fix conflicts which i didn't succeed. so of course i am. my success

but why is to give a chance to to the to peace to give a chance to peace doesn't mean that you guarantee that you will bring peace but at least you give a chance to achieve peace is what i'm going to tell you to do with no guarantees that i will succeed so i am much more courageous and miss more ambitious than if i am seeking ways and i'm going to succeed or not she's not my issue i am not sinking was what i was a chance what i was a statistic what i was a possibility for me to succeed and not interested i just say shall i do i have enough elements in my hands to try to bring peace. do i have elements here. are my going to put them aside to not doing what they want no of course not i go for it this is their s. life danger at any point in your line of work where you feel like sense of

superiority here i am white man from the land of perspired in peace i come to you party squabbling our solve your pain because i know better does to ever get that feeling because it's dangerous there's a there's a fine line when you have so much power and trust. in your hands and you can make the processes move you can get that sense you can yeah sure i don't you don't have i am very as i don't. sure of what i'm doing that i am as i am present. tense i don't know the world in the english i'm sorry as i doubt about what i am doing just a feeling of superiority that can never. because if i doubt that means that they don't have a sense of superiority. and i never go is

a sense of and people know that you know we are dealing with men we do mean we human and sometimes we have to put the sides of paper and have documented. z. explain a. logical explanations. to to get. also a human side in the piece because everybody will use. people who. is a muslim to be the most were a cock there somewhere somehow was hoping for peace so want peace is it easy for your good i think maybe something good one worst and sense of superiority that a lot of big powers get while they're going in conflicts ignorance because right now we see a lot of politicians. they don't have the understanding of the region when they actually act in that region they don't know the complexity of the fragility of the

places that they affect for instance i remember president obama saying that not lack of planning in libya was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his presidency just recently norway admitted having no idea what they were doing when they send their claims to bomb libya and we see that happening actually a lot where does this tour approach come from i mean should they elected leaders be sent to some mandatory job or have political lessons about the world because this happens all the time. you know when you when you start to do something and it's valid for government or individuals don't try to don't. seem twice before you. even need to bad and you replace it by the worse and unfortunately what's happened more and more in the past you you you want to change it to take off of good take of the bad but you replace it by something less of the

bad you have taking off and for me of course how can you avoid that you avoid it by. z.z.z. because when when you leave a conflict by keating and there's a conflict when you when you you you you solve a solution by kidding another of the people you face but when you deal. with. the c.d.c. as if you've bought do you really want to build a future together then you are avoiding. a place to go from bad to worse here we're going to take a short break right now while we come back we'll continue talking about harold the promise and what is it and is it more effective beneficial the promise and stay with us.

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and we're back with the funny yet expert in peril diplomacy and the chairman of the foundation and i remember you expressing your opinion in the early times of the syrian conflict escalation you were about wrote about wars of good versus evil. that was you rightly said that you know that you've said that this is led by us and they can longer force on everyone because balance of power is shifting so i always think of why does the united states still go over and over again for the same strategy of fighting the black and white good versus evil wars when it has brought all the asli so much misery to the world and to themselves in the 1st place why not to me to answer to this question you're a true diplomat no i'm not to me. why should a express an opinion on the battle of any american no i. am pretty sure says it will worse yes. i am just saying we have to be very worried. that you we

by taking something bad will be placings by subsidy given us and this story as prove that some of the actions taken by this one those. have been they placing something bad something event with us. we leave that to the 20th century and. those mistakes because while as you said about president obama they were not planning after what do we do after how out and for me i am thinking this after has a very fundamental bass and after has to be a consideration if that is a consideration they can be exchange of opinion it can be democracy at last i'm not talking about western democracy or eastern democracy or specifically democracy a book the ability of the people to decide of their own future. only be done.

before they considerations here and that is here so you just mentioned earlier in the into that parallel the promise in official diplomacy it's pyro because they go without crossing pass so that means that you're not part of the system right official system there that this stablish meant was when you do your job as a diplomat. a lot of your success stories in the african period they were tied to the hall they were tied to shock so you kind of are in the system or are you completely not part of the system. after certain moments it's time for the system to take over. i am. i am not here to make peace i am here to facilitate peace who is going to make peace izzie a situation because you need 20 agreement it's one which i am not thinkable to to

take so yes and to certain moment there is let's say if. some people accept it some countries accept it there is a like of communication and. a takeover by country of 2 brings everything to lose if in the finality when i did so. which led to the independence of namibia and for the 1st time as a cuban and the american were sitting at the same table with are together with the south africans younger than it was i have the political has been signed. it was taken by the un and there was a big show in. un for the signing of the agreement i was not even invited i want to invent it nobody invited me when they all know that i was initiated this because this time at

a certain moment of the official takeover and i have don't pretend that i can replace what is off the show of course not i am not here to the place anybody i am not here to to do. to i am here to help to assist not to replace did the official diplomats listen to your advice as an outsider or do they really try to shut you down because it's competition. then we have to go back to the human natur i have extolled the need for their friends with our diplomats and zander said what i do and prove what it. of course. they belong to. myself probably not but then again it is not white and black it's i have very good friends we have diplomats they had. they have no problem with them because it is really allies that bring some seeing. the progress but of course it is situation we don't

like me maybe they don't like successes or has have your political convictions or i don't know moral convictions ever get in the way of doing the job as a imperil the commissary for instance this guy i cannot talk to that want to talk to or whatever you feel personally is always irrelevant if you have to make peace and make people reconcile. there is not one person in the planet have so i would have a few sort of course never one. as criminally can be i will accept if he is a lady to talk about peace i will talk to him of course in the beginning of the interview said that i bring fighting sides to one table because there is trust you know they trust me and they trust that you know with they come together it's going to be for the better of the common cause does this always work how do you

make people who are not willing to reconcile change their mind or this is only work when they actually do want to negotiate deep inside you see this is a technique between records. when i did i did the 1st conference which is in may in the car which is called now that i won because hopefully we are going to have a dugout to. i did invite also people said i didn't know who are the people but i've done these i went to bishop's alley i went to a billet village and i said please convince your friends to come to the conference so exam. i've been convincing their friends to come to the conference so i was not exposed as a person the test was. jump jumping from one person to the other but at the

end of this way also. because if i would have been the one who'd been travelling with my leg age and going to to see the people i want to invade to convince maybe i would not have succeeded because it dawned on me and of us of me they who were his white men in the libyan conflict as you say. but if a amusing somebody was done by said. that's a different course says something which is you don't very briefly when i started to be interested in africa i had a chance i was very young i was 20 i was me i was invited for dinner by a very fantastic man we were president of a could devise a few what he calls. me and he invited me sort of a lunch and he was listening to me and i was interested he got a call in what i want to do with africa an hour into africa i was there and there's the end of the dinner he said you are interested with africa i am going to give you only one advice only one never enter an african village

if you are not accompanied by somebody who is known by the village. and they have apply. all my life is. a caution is the. beginning is never given by myself is given by somebody who has a test of a person. and it works so i realize that there are no guarantees of any kind of anything when you get 2 people when you get people in the same room that have been killing each other for such a long time so it's a big deal that they sit down but what is the success rate usually those people who have been feuding for so long ok they're in the same room what is the success rate after they start talking have you i'm sure you've. already there in your personal theory i don't i don't count ok but let me tell you something

is where the dialogue is the most essential because that means easy and accepted to meet. it has been a patient it was a meeting is not is not. no idea what they're going to discuss their bed so india actually india take the dialogue has been established between them probably most probably most of the time for me so. they don't. have before they meet. evaluated appreciative. that it was going to be very detail very sour and i was already but i never experienced. a moment where i put 2 parties together and no one has left the home never explained that they might not and. it did happen in the car one when

after mrs. delegates. accepted to be on the plane our charter did that but when this all was going to be in their homes i said no we cannot sit there with the same people in the left so. the. ways that. i never experimented but do you know like gestures words that are it already like signal to you that there's going to be a deal here do you feel yes dance or are this like a center for ages and is when you're intervene. you you know you're not. he manes as long as it is not. beginning or slight of conflict your positions then yes you have to intervene and calm down and tell people that she is what you mean she's what the ones in the end of the day maybe

you you can match and. you feel it you. knew you feel at the time. you you sure you should. and having yes when you work on a complicated conflict like syria. and if not then what would you advise people to do there no i would never work on the conflicts that sit here because unfortunately syria is going to be young people of syria of syria i still believe that in libya yes not yet living where it goes beyond the people of libya in syria has gone beyond the people of syria is a pretty people of syria today doesn't count i mean it's. so what will be my role to to do to have syrian government matching. us government and. order and i don't have the keys and. i cannot

and that is a given i don't i'm not following so since well good luck in the cases that you are involved in unsure they're going to be successful like most of the cases you have undertaken thank you much but this is thank you very much it's been a pleasure it was been a pleasure for me to. look . in this community and there are people who believe that it's ok to substract food i

might say it's really hard there are no jobs and you see that that kids ask and as a parent. i can come up with a logical argument there's a lot of conflict in the game between the cost of the tough. i would say revolves around money and most of them money has made. us want to know each other. each other this could be just the state of california alone to make $6000000000.00 a year of prison camp which is good so when you live where. you don't care anymore nobody cares about your so you don't care mind anything.

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