and the opposition leader. mr amir's it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you think is my question in many western media you're referred to as either former oil czar or hugo chavez is the right hand man i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. and hearing europe but i cannot disclose for because we're on the persecution from the government of venezuela. oil minister for prison. the most important post in the. hour. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in 2017 you accused him of incompetence and there supreme power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to decide what do you make all file what's happening in and

around venezuela right now. why should. our country faces a very deep. crisis in the political economic and. in the because. we have no. president. mr way though. of. constitutional we have a problem in the political. guys in the economical size that we are confronting. more than 1700000 percent. busy of the. food they were lewisham all saw the gorman half of the straw. poll which is the most important. in

the country in the source inside. the our people are suffering because of where our games. after the prison where no facing the poverty of our people the mystery of our people. will suffer in the excellence of our young people. more than 4000000 of people have been left the country if their 1st time in our history well they put the position often is our is indeed very troubling and i know that you put most of the blame on president maduro and his lack of competence but for most foreign there is there isn't much difference between let's say the child his administration and the mature administration they're really seen as 2 sides of the same coin why is it different from you why why do you put so much blame on my door and seemingly exonerate president chavez entirely i believe that motherhood is not only incompetent. i believe that this government will be the worse for gore and

of been a swelling of where his story but mainly he's a traitor of the charges. and 1st of all because. being a teen it gains our constitution all saw a team. especially the. mother who has been destroyed. it is one of the the most powerful company in a world contrary response roof to. produce the oil the main issue for our economy my little has been deployed all of our social programs that we call. missions in my country and then. a thing. a party it's not it's not. it's completely different but

mr ramirez i think what you are not mentioning is a very sharp change in economic environment between the 2 administrations president chavez had the benefit of high or oil prices while present manures term client side it's been a very sharp decline in the hydrocarbon market as critical and skeptical as you are of murderous competence is it fair to blame this crisis a very very deep crisis on him in charlie rather than on the whole bully vary and economic system don't believe the pretty. different. during the. remember that when we are the government with the present charice the oil. the. $10.00 per barrel then we recorded the unity. and they were recorded the but the most important is that we able to recover the

control of the oil industry. also the money. for the industry and good money of the oil industry then we'd be able to get all the revenues from the 2 in favor of the old economy we as we spend. more done 10 years of. growing in economic also in the. now you said in one recent interview that if charis were still alive and if he saw the state of the country today he would have probably mounted a coup d'etat against madura what makes you believe that sure sure because i know the. situation. even war. when the president made. in 9092 now it's worse the

situation. really believe the charges will be very concerned about the current situation because a mother who has to be conducting a work or 2 for the suster in the source is an economic point of view but also he says been affecting the poor people a mother who has been hitting the they hit the poor people especially our people now is trying to flying a little box with some fought our people is trying to escape the country. open the lee and give away or to the private companies international companies is a disaster is a side to the same reasons why i chose conduct. in $992.00 now you clearly have asked drunken actions within that in israel and military would you be willing to be

part of such air could you tie against president durand do you think in general any sort of core orchestrated by military or somebody else would be in the interest of your country what will it mean to let me tell you that i am very clear in my position against any foreign intervention in my country against of the sanctions because. where we have to reject that but ensured would mother with him have any chance to recover the country both and neither with what though because also with why you don't like him who are you go behind why do or is this dream when sector in the country also with some support from the us then we believe we need to farms find some some way some into mean a way sun balanced way to avoid the violence. busy intervention that the.

their right to be in the position to the constitution is a what i understood your your position perfectly but let me rephrase my question again have you been in any contact with the venezuelan military recently to discuss possible ways of solving venezuelan crisis yes permanently permanently and have you how do you discuss your own the role in that in the resolution of that crisis a great to hear my country has been a worsening from the 4 years ago hold the situation is. a warning. about economical situation like. more than. 18 documents warning about the situation but nobody wants to hear me warning that the hotel will protect our own oil company which is the main factor in the economy then are you still in contact with my people still writing are you still making interviews

because they believe that we have the opportunity to her solve this problem with the violence you said in the recent interview that you would be even open to run for presidency in your country it seems that you're positioning yourself as a 3rd that alternative between the current president and the leader of the opposition. because i believe we need to study the constitution to open the political game i mean we have to us can people over people what do you want to do in the future for their recent i believe that i rarely do to show for the people and the imposition. on the. principles but also open the 400 the new situation i'm sure you would agree that this kind of choice should be left up to the venezuelan people but you know that the international politics is always more complicated than. i know that you have good ties among israel and

international partners 1st of all russia and china but do you think that americans do you think the europeans are likely to see your candidature as a consensus what. the consensus of my people when. we have to explain for everybody all the contras the interests of my country in my country that we have to preserve the peace we have to preserve the functioning of the contrie we have to her star is the economy under the rule of law oh this is on the interest of everybody for that reason is very. the current situation for there is so i believe that we need to be backing by the army now our socialism is extremely difficult system to pull off we the russians know that better than anyone else. regardless of who is in charge whether it is you mr goh i don't know mr madeira do you think been is all i can continue are relying on

a planned economy going forward will believe that the plan for the. present to the corner in 2012 was a good one we call the plan for the homeland it is the star is the main issues daughter kori for work or tree i believe we need to base on this plan in go than to show for our people there was a really good again the normality in the court i believe that i believe we need to restart all or we're programmes in going into recovery of the situation mr maritz we have to take a short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned.

give me too much. time we said. but i'm also the most companies you know so i've been a good who says. when i meet. this company she must get all emotional screaming nobody goes from didn't you know just . to spoil you i'm sure. someone. you see live in the little. i don't know you kind of this. little kid is. always in this. to your list.

that's my life that you know i started on wall street 40 years ago and i've been living in a log cheeriest life of ever cheaper money ever since literally not having to work a day in my life because that's part of 40 years ago i've gone straight up. to get up off the ground to serve began to. name things on the sounds of maybe. mislead especially. wish to do away from the officer. the officer did a kind of lunge for the white bean. once missed and then what happened on 3 swung

at the hands didn't hit him i never saw any contact between the 2 and the kind went back to where they were so the officers back here there try again 15 feet apart at this point and that's when the officer pulled out his gun and he did it on 3. welcome back to pulls apart because rafael premier is a close ally of president chavez and now a presidential hopeful in venezuela. mr ramirez just before the break we started talking about possible ways of recovering the venezuelan economy and you know just a few days ago president when doura gave an exclusive interview chart in which he was asked the same question and he's answer was rather prefer axing because he talked about markets measures and fix prices in one breath something that would be

an absolute oxymoron to most economists in purely economic terms what emergency stuff should we sell it take right now to move out of this predicament yes the most important priority in the economic sense will be a. function. we know how to do because the oil is there we have people. 200. industry. to go saying. you know we're industry then a position. will come out our company and then to produce. your stool 20 crito some better birthday in 3 months after the control of the industry would a call with the again the production to trim the butter. all. the

1st step will be to record it all industry because they 90 percent of our income came from the oil revenue when they leave the company into those who for being there begin to 14 the. no it's the one. people they know it's the money of the oil industry including our burner from from china from. anybody no. they don't have any knowledge about the well you round up company for more than a day kate you certainly have the experience but how exactly you would recover the oil industry given the pressure that is put on the news alibi the united states and assuming we are i.c.m. that the western partners the european partners would also fall over the sanctions

yeah but that sanctions. snows is no necessarily. effect in that the strong way a work or tree is somebody with the knowledge man that will be able to manage the industry will be able to defeat the sanctions it's not the 1st time in 2000 day in the us in both sunshine and spirits or they will look at any technological assistant any funds of financial assistance bought at the tile we are ready to respond we have been ready to respond the problem is that current direction they don't. they don't be ready to do nothing nothing then there is one problem but it's not the only one of only step 2 do they circle or step in when we need to take some action to restore is some kind of monetary policy we need to liberate the rate of change and we need to to open the to receive more

investment in more. dollars and differing currency the same thurso step is that we need to. kind of star is the internal producer producing now nobody producing nothing inside the courtroom not in this industrial sector no for producing food nobody had them that happen because also in the economical sic to do you need some good and more for some confidence in the leadership of the country i know that you've also been very vocal about the need to overcome the so-called oil or rant ism or the dutch disease and arguably the best time to do that was during the boom years when you were presiding over the industry what prevented the then is alan leadership at the time from pursuing that it is not too easy we spend the whole 3 years with some more. both for the national

companies during all. 320 then is not easy the prison term is suspended a lot of time 1st of all to sterilise a new political secondly to create a new legal framework then to to solve the problem in the hewish sorceror parole and we facing a time and then just then the oil industry when prison terms proposed a plan for the home a. homeland in my contrary that's including hope to develop the. economical sectors. not all sectors in the. work we need to move but no you have to work. you have to recovery of the company because you will need to do whatever you want to do you need to record the oil

sector now there americans are very open about dar intention to put their hands on the been a sale an oil they never had before but i think now they are more open about that than ever but what's interesting is that the trumpet ministry sion in addition to oil has introduced another factor and they are now framing venezuela as a threat to american national security i'm sure you saw us secretary of state mike compare. alleging that even his elam government has ties with iran and hizbollah what do you make of that you know that there will declare that they will take the control of oil up in the lead it's not a secret plan for devery some i believe we have to defend our constitution because in our constitution the current constitution. has claimed the property of the also the property for our national oil company in fact. the

opposition. starting with the pre with decision of. the sun i believe we need to fly we need to. also. program in gordon to maintain the control of the oil industry now i ask you a lot of questions about the present madura let me also fall off with a few questions about the self appointed and interim president who i'm go i don't know the speed with which the americans the trumpet ministration through their support behind him do you think it and up how ping or hurting his standing in the eyes of the venezuelan people. though is just a face. behind this thread emily in reno. when party. people too used to be very of law against the president then they are using tool. to try to

capitalize suster of muddle ingo than to pose for the 1st time in our history son is $3000000.00 wing government in the courtroom that's a dungaree for the country because nobody will be able to impose a new mall. over the border of the us the chinese more existing us a story a blog we are a huge quantity of the core tree then we need to find something of agreement to run the country in the future but that the reason i'm asking is this question is because one russian observer called what's happening in india in venezuela a fight between economic logic and national pride as much as the people may be frustrated with them adore is economic policies don't you think the american endorsement of quite all makes it far more difficult for the people to reject my door because that would be seen as surrendering to the americans of course yes i

believe that the my your duty of the people especially when military people they don't will any intermission. there any invasion the inheritance in our issues. we have and a very strong history of. office so when and if he remembered where the sun from the. then that is in the beam of the conscience of our people we are not going to a low and mean if mother or a surplus suster it is a disaster we're going to resolve by our with our people know with any intervention . now from what i understand for you personally the choice between my door and go i don't know is really a choice or for worse evil who do you think is more damaging for the country in the long run no everything is war. so

we need to do we need to to find another way for that reason i believe that the my your e t. of the people. to have some opinion to bloat to participate we need to restore. democracy in the country and go then to. the they way and the proposal of pressing charges who are trying to do is call for does for my role or from the army sector or asking for the society in gold and we are not going we need to stop to go in for any confrontation in the future it's not good for the going to look at these sorry meaning the security concerns with. the power a lot of how the international police is conducting i don't.

like to my country like syria to my country like iraq to my country and in that case if they try to intervene and for our country and to produce. their will spread to colombia spread to work where though because we are together in the same territory of the same core to the same people will be a disaster for everybody now you mentioned the international meddling and i also covered a lot of regime change operations and i think one thing that is different this time around is the lack of unity among the europeans you know that italy just if you days ago disrupted the year european consensus on calling for early elections and i know that. i personally are in favor of file of an early elections and yet you also strongly oppose foreign interference into the affairs of your country i you more disappointed or excited about the talent position right now no i support

the issue of entirely makes the call. they're conducting a meeting of the moment they they'll. really good in danger in gordon. there's something of the elegant. way you can go then to find some agreement when we need to do that but. in the meat work people are so free for the scheme in the poor mother and go them to create some dying off by a true out. goal or may go then do we solve the source or problem of my people in this. election we are now ready to go for election now we have 4 meaning of when this will outside the country we have one that he'll show you money tyrion prices the huge growth who would need to stop going to release one you know one and a half year to some condition to go for the election mr ramirez we have to leave it

there but i really appreciate your joining us today thank you very much thank you thank you thank you so much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and hope to syria get on the same place same time here on worlds apart. in this community there are people who believe that it's ok. it's really hard there are no jobs and you see that i've got kids that ask and as

a parent. i can come up with arguments and there's a lot of conflict within the game between the teams most of the conflict i would say. is made. close one you know the children's each other is good business the state of california alone makes $6000000000.00 a year off to prison complexes to get some 20 a life where. you don't care. anything. about them to maximize their financial survival guide. looking forward to your pension account. yonks this is what happens to pensions in britain. as a report. you

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