where should the country move from here to discuss that i'm now joined by rafael ramirez close ally of president chavez and a harsh critic of president nicolas maduro and the opposition leader. mr ramirez it's good to talk to you thank you very much for your time thank you. in many western media you're referred to as either former oil czar or hugo chavez says the right hand man i wonder how do you personally see yourself now. and here in europe but disclosure because. the government of venezuela. the most important post. now i know that you had a major falling out with president maduro in 2017 you accused him of incompetence

and the supreme power he accused you of corruption but if we try to put those personal grievances to the side what do you make all file what's happening in and around venezuela right now. our country faces a very deep. crisis in the. economy. in the. no 2. presidents. we have a problem in the political. economic. team. more than 1700000.

lux of the supply of medicines the food they were lewisham all saw the gorman half of the straw. poll which is the most important in the country in the source inside . the our people are suffering because of where our games. after the prison is where no facing the poverty of our people the mystery of our people. will suffer and the excellence of our young people. more than 4000000 of people have been left the country if the 1st time in our history well they put the position often is our is indeed very troubling and i know that you put most of the blame on president maduro and he's lack of competence but for most foreign there is there isn't much difference between let's say the child his administration and the mature administration they're really seen as 2 sides of the same coin why is it different from you why why do you put so much blame on my

door and seemingly exonerate president chavez entirely i believe that motherhood is not only incompetent. i believe that this government will be the worse for gore and of been a swelling of where his story but mainly he's a traitor of the charges. and 1st of all because. being a teen in gains our constitution all saw a teen. especially the. ready mother who has been destroyed. it is one of the the most powerful company in a work or treat her sponsor of 2 for. the main issue for our economy. being deploy all of our social programs that we call. missions in my. and then. a thing.

is not. completely different but mr ramirez i think what you are not mentioning is a very sharp change in economic environment between the 2 administrations president chavez had the benefit of high oil prices while present maduro's term quine sided with a very sharp decline in the hydrocarbon markets as critical and skeptical as you are of materials competence is it fair to blame this crisis a very very deep crisis on him in charlie rather than on the whole bully vary and economic system. different. during the. remember that when we are the government with the prison charice the oil. be. $10.00 per barrel then it will.

go to the press of oil but the most important is that we able to recover the control of the oil industry. also the money. for the industry a good management of the oil industry would be good to get all the revenues. in favor of the old economy we. we we have spent. more than 10 years of. trees growing in economic also in this. now you said in one recent interview that if charis were still alive and if he saw the state of the country today he would have probably mounted a coup d'etat against madura what makes you believe that sure sure because.

no the canonical and saucer situation is even worse. when the prison charice made. in 9092 now it's worse the situation. really believe the charges will be very concerned about the current situation because i'm a dude who has to be conducting a work or 2 for the suster in the source an economic point of view but also he says been affecting the poor people who has been hitting the they hit the poor people especially our people now is trying to flying a little box with some fought our people is trying to escape the country. open the lid and give our oil sector to the private companies international companies it's a disaster is a cycle of the same reasons why i chose conduct. in $992.00 now you clearly have

vast wrong connections within that in israel and military would you be willing to be part of such air could you tie against president durand do you think in general any sort of core orchestrated by military or somebody else would be in the interest of your country what will it mean to let me tell you that i am very clear in my position i mean against any foreign intervention in my country against of the sanctions because completely illegal where we have to reject that but ensured would mother with him have any chance to recover the country both and neither with way though because also with why you don't like him who are you the law behind white though is this dream when sector in the country also with some support from the us then we believe we need. 2 farms firing some some ways some

into mean away some balance way to avoid the violence. busy intervention that the right sector to be in the position to the constitution is a what i understood your your position perfectly but let me rephrase my question again have you been in any contact with the venezuelan military recently to discuss possible ways of solving venezuelan crisis yes permanently permanently and have you how do you discuss your own the role in that in the resolution of that crisis a great to hear my country has been a worsening from the 4 years ago how the situation is. a warning. about the economical situation i prepared more than. 18 documents warning about the situation but nobody wants to hear me i warning at the time how

to protect our own oil company which is the main factor in the economy then are you still in contact with my people still writing i just still making interviews because they believe the we have the opportunity to her solve this problem with the violence you said in the recent interview that you would be even open to run for presidency in your country it seems that you're positioning yourself as a 3rd that alternative between the current president and the leader of the opposition of course yes because i believe that we need to study the constitution to open the political game i mean we have to us can people our people what do you want to do in the future for their recent i believe that i'm ready to to show for the people another position based on the service principles but also openly for the. the new situation i'm sure you would agree that this kind

of choice should be left up to the venezuelan people but you know that the international politics is always more complicated than that i know that you have good ties among when israel and international partners 1st of all russia and china but do you think that americans do you think the europeans are likely to see your candidate sure as a consensus was. the consensus for my people when. we have to explain for everybody all the contras the interests of my country in my country that we have to preserve the business we have to preserve the functioning of the contrary we have to. low interest. for there is very. current situation over there. that we need to be backing by army now our socialism is extremely difficult system to pull off we the

russians know that better than anyone else. regardless of who is in charge whether it is you mr go i don't know mr madeira do you think been is all i can continue or relying on a planned economy going forward will i believe that the plan for. the country in 2012 was a good we call. for the homeland it is the main issues. for work or treaty i believe we need to base. to show for our people. again the normality. i believe busy we need to do all or we're programs in gordon to recovery the situation we have to take a short break right now but we will be back in just a few moments stay tuned.

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test facts right concentrates free in fits of it's own that patients won't give them doctors the wrong stoplight. stuff why they would keep me sick each of those years day. and people still die i don't always question or so i tried being hard to live when so many have. a paradise with some all year round turned into a round the experimentation field the agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major irritants there's no question otherwise why would that the chemical company workers themselves be geared up that suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments but often in day you have many of these people who have one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is. ansible while the

battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of environmental racism going on in hawaii whether these companies feel they can get away with it because the people have less political power. that's my life you know i started on wall street 40 years ago and i've been living in a log cheeriest life of ever cheaper money ever since literally not having to work a day in my life because the yes that's part of 40 years ago i've gone straight up . called them back to worlds apart but raw failed premier it's a close ally of president chavez and now

a presidential hopeful in venezuela. mr ramirez just before the break we started talking about possible ways of recovering the venezuelan economy and you know just a few days ago president windorah gave an exclusive interview charting which he was asked the same question and he's answer was rather perplexing because he talked about the markets majerus and fix prices in one breath something that would be an absolute oxymoron to most economists in purely economic terms what emergency steps should really sell it take right now to move out of this predicament yes the most important. because sense will be a. function. i mean we know how to do because there we have to. compare the bubble 200. industry look at the. during the to go same to be with.

us in our industry then at that time the opposition. will come out of our company and then the provision full just to 20 tritos some better day in 3 months after the control of the industry will recover he again the production to trim miller who better also we recorded all the fires then the 1st step will be to record it all industry because they 90 percent of our income came from the oil revenue when i when they leave the company into those who 14 at the beginning of 2 to 14 the pollution was 3000000. then now it's the $1000000.00 barrels per day everybody knows the mismanagement of the oil industry including our partner from true share from china from every place they know that the. board

of directors they either they don't have any knowledge about well you round up company for more than a day kate you you certainly have the experience but how exactly you would recover the oil industry given the pressure that is put on the news alibied the united states and assuming we are i seem that the western partners the european partners would also fall over the sanctions yeah but that sanctions. knows is no necessary. to effect in that the strong way a work or tree is somebody with the knowledge man that will be able to manage the industry will be able to defeat the sanctions is not the 1st time in 2000 day in the us in both sunshine and spirits or they will look at any technological assistant any of us financial assistance but at the time we are ready to respond we have been ready to respond the problem is that current direction they don't. they

don't be ready to do nothing nothing then there is one problem but it's not the only one of only a step to do the 2nd a step when we need to take some action to restoring some kind of monetary policy we need to liberate the rate of change and we need to to open the to receive more investment in more. dollars erode certain differing currency the same the 1st step is that we need to. restore is the internet produce producing now nobody producing nothing inside the courtroom now in this industrial sector no for producing food nobody had them that happened because also in the economical sic to do you need some good and more for a song confidence in the leadership of the country i know that you've also been

very vocal about the need to overcome the so-called oil rant ism or the dutch disease and arguably the best time to do that was during the boom years when you were presiding over the industry what prevented the then is alan leadership at that time from pursuing that because it's not too easy we spend the whole 3 years with some more. both for the national companies during all. 320 then it's not easy the prison term is suspended a lot of time 1st of all to sterilise a new political secondly to create a new legal framework then to to solve the problem in the hewish sorceror parole and we facing a time and then just then the oil industry when prison terms proposed a plan for the home

a. homeland in my corn tree that's including how to develop the. economical sectors. not all sectors in the core to our work we need to move but no you have to work. you have to recovery the company because you will need to do whatever you want to do you need to record the oil sector now there americans are very open about dar intention to put their hands on the venue sale an oil they never had before but i think now they are more open about that than ever but what's interesting is that the trumpet ministry in addition to oil has introduced another factor and they are now framing venezuela as a threat to the american national security i'm sure you saw our secretary of state mike compare. alleging that even his elem government has ties with iran and hizbollah what do you make of that you know that they will declare that they will

take the control of oil up in the lead it's not a secret plan for devery some i believe we have to defend our constitution because in our constitution the current constitution. has claimed the property of the also the property for our national oil company in fact. the opposition. starting with the brain with decision of. i believe we need to fight we need to. also. program in god in 2 month in the control of the oil industry now i ask you a lot of questions about the present madura let me also follow up with a few questions about the self appointed and interim president who i'm go i don't know the speed with which the americans they trumpet ministration through their support behind him do you think it and up how ping or hurting his standing in the

eyes of the venezuelan people. though is just a face. behind this threat i mean. when party. people too used to be very of law against the president then they are using tool. to try to capitalize suster of mud ingo than to pose for the 1st time in our history son is $3000000.00 wing government in the courtroom that's a done for the country because nobody will be able to impose a new mall. over the border of the us the chinese more existing us a story a blog we are a huge quantity of the core tree then we need to find something of agreement to run

the country in the future but that the reason i'm asking is this question is because one russian observer called what's happening in india in venezuela a fight between economic logic and national pride as much as the people may be frustrated with them adore is economic policies don't you think the american endorsement of quite all makes it far more difficult for the people to reject my door because that would be seen as surrendering to the americans of course yes i believe that the my your duty of the people especially when military people they don't will any intermission. there any invasion the inherent in our issues. we have on our various trauma a history of. so when and if he remembered where the sun from the. then that is in the beam of the conscience of our people we are not going to a low and mean if mother or a surplus suster it is

a disaster we're going to her solve by our with our people no with any intervention . now from what i understand for you personally the choice between my door and go i don't know is really a choice or for worse evil who do you think is more damaging for the country in the long run no everything is war. so we need to do we need to to find another way for that reason i believe that the my your duty of the people. to have some opinion to both were still participate we need to restore. democracy in the country and go them to. their way and the proposal of christian charities who are trying to do is call for does for my role or from the army sect or asking for the society in god in that we

are not going we need to stop to go in for any confrontation in the future it's not good for the going to look at this sorry has been the security concern with. the power a lot of how the international police is conducting i don't. like to my country like syria to my country like iraq to my counter in that case if they try to intervene if i were content to produce. there will spread to colombia in spread to work where though because we're together in the same territory at the same court at the same people will be a disaster for people now you mentioned the international meddling and i also covered a lot of regime change operations and i think one thing that is different this time around is. the lack of unity among the europeans you know that italy just if you

days ago disrupted the year european consensus on calling for early elections and i know that. you personally are in favor of of an early elections and yet you also strongly oppose foreign interference into the affairs of your country are you more disappointed or excited about the tally in position right now no i support the issue of interleaved mexico or. they're conducting a meeting just for the moment they we they'll. really good in danger gordon. there's something of the elegant. way you can go then to find some agreement when we need to do that but us in the meat work before us so free for the scheme in the poor mother in go then to create some kind of buy a tree out. in gold and do we solve the source or problem of my people in this.

election we are now ready to go for election now we have 4 meaning of when this will outside the country we have one that he'll show you money tyrion prices the huge crowds who would need to want to release one you know when the half year to start some condition to go for the election mr ramirez we have to leave it there but i really appreciate your joining us today thank you very much thank you thank you thank you so much i encourage our viewers to keep this conversation going on our social media pages and hope the series get on the same place same time here on worlds apart.

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