russia may go ahead james well though i think the tories have seen the rising on the wall about bret's thanks to the parents it party and then i don't very rapid. phenomenal success in a couple of recent elections so the tory party very afraid to wreck the party is going to. take away their vote will split that vote because that's where they are but it gets most of your support as well they got rid of theresa may now morris johnson he's not entirely trustworthy on bret's and he's talking about tinkering with the political declaration that's added to that we will draw all agreement and the political that the regime doesn't really mean anything it's the draw agreement that's legally binding and that's what the problem is. his election he's been elected to do. to get back to don. and to say

that stories from electoral defeat. ok let me go to lee here but lee when a good guess really the biggest problem in dealing with brags that at least when it comes to parliament is that both parties were divided on the issue within each party here can boris johnson unite the tories because if he can do that he might be able to poach from people across the aisle as it were here it really gets down to how he manages the party in my not correct go ahead lee well it does if you're playing fantasy politics if you're playing real politics then you know that the irish backstop the european union is implacable position. and you know the record of mendacity and tomfoolery of boris johnson then you really wouldn't put your house on the boris being able to unify either his party or the country there are lots of people in the tory party with deep emotional scars from

previous encounters yeah with boris johnson some of whom are sitting around the cabinet table is a cabinet full of deeply ambitious and venal politicians boris being the lead cheerleader amongst them but the extent to which he could maintain unity within that cabinet under the sweltering pressure that he's going to come under in brussels and the european union i think will not unite the tory party but will break it into mark the same question here i mean i think we have a new personality ok in 10 downing street but i don't see the strategy moving forward ok to resume he says to resumes which are all deal is dead ok so what is his deal they can appeal to not only his own party but to the public at large i mean i studied this very carefully i'm actually getting very bored with it because i don't see the needle being moved here what can he do that no one else has done mark. ah well he can certainly do something that nobody

else's turn and that is he can prove either to be false or true the position that he's put forward to his party in the british public and that position is that the reason may only fail because she didn't really believe in brackets and so far i think people on both sides of the aisle on this question probably have reason to be satisfied about what how things are going because he's assembled a team virtually every single one of whom wholeheartedly seem to believe or say they believe in bret's it so let's see what happens bring it on and i think that obviously the downside of this is that if there is. no deal broke set in parliament is sidelined that we have all sorts of terrible constitutional issues that might happen i think in the end that mr johnson is not the kind of person who will be able to do that kind of thing i think that he's going to go to brussels his real

tactic here is strategy is to hope that people in the e.u. think here's a man who really knows what he's talking about rather who believes in what he's talking about so for once we're going to have to really negotiate seriously this is where everything comes to the crunch whereas mrs may we manage to follow her off he's hoping that they'll be movement within the. process and that he won't therefore have to go through with the no no deal threat so in terms of the unity however i think that the danger for people moderate people in the conservative party is that they're going to be accused of being defeatists and not patriotic that's mr johnson's card he's talking up all this optimism isn't stuff daring his critics to say to produce reasons for not being quite so mindlessly optimistic and he will then turn around and say to the british public these are people who don't believe in your country and that is a car that will work very well. in england very poorly in scotland and northern

ireland not the voters it seems quite a lot of them like to distort distortions of reality ok well you know you can you can have you know you could have been to see adam a certainly has that he said we need optimism he certainly has that but james how does that make briggs it happened i mean the european union all through this process and i think to resume was the worst person to negotiate because she was a remainder and that why did you said to remain there to do brags that i mean that was ridiculous ok and we got it and she deserved her fate ok but the european union is going to make this is painful as possible for you guys and i don't see why they get to change their tune i mean they can they broke her and they want to break him if necessary go ahead james well everyone talks about there is a maze red line but i don't have any red lines that you want to brussels and you're in commission. yes of course the e.u. wants to make this thing what's the other create

a situation where doesn't or you get name. which is what is. the. drop becomes. the imposition of trade barriers between tariffs. ok why do they want to do that while the e.u. was already in a trice. before we proceed to leave. it was in a crisis because no western countries the wealthy. north west and. some in europe and eastern europe and the republic of ireland like colonies and there's a lot of and there are a lot of political reasons or cultural. barriers. and so it was already in a crisis and it gets out. and then crossed and the might there may be other countries who might be wondering why in the end that is the reason why one of the

reasons why the e.u. wants to make this as painful as possible we i mean they always go back to the default position of w t o rules ok i mean if boris johnson wants to succeed and i have to believe he wants to. do much better than to resume when you were assigned an entire group of people to work with that goal of w t o rules because there are good there's not going to be another deal the deal is that the european union is going to accept is already on the table the parliament has dismissed it 3 times boris johnson isn't going to go down that path i mean what new dispy saying we have a kitchen cabinet it's a deputy oh rules work on it you've got 99 days go ahead lee. i don't think so i think we're w t o rules. are no deal hard brick say and they would be only to the only country in the world operating on the meet those rules and they are sob each in their implications for the country so they asked a realistic option

a toll and i also think that the extent to which you know the kind of xenophobia sentiment we see abroad for little england plucky standing against the assembled holds of the european union with their. you know pan-european agenda is a is a a a scenario that has been developed and pursued in and propagandized in the british press the decades and funny enough it will be the kind of irrationality that flows from such sentiment that will see this country commit economic suicide by electing a prime minister who's not only incompetent as he's recorded in london shows us but has an opportunity of such grand proportions that even his brother joe johnson who resigned over the brecht seat was pretty convinced by boris johnson to

come back in government and it's partly signed up to probe resi agenda so here we have the chance of boys who can spin around on any given issue 360 degrees in a heartbeat and both obviously like sacrifice the economic prosperity of the nation they said let me just up this conclusion the tories are not even following the global big business agenda because if the tories were following that agenda here to have some rationale in terms of their ideological position and their long time association as being the big hitters for big business now even though boris johnson is waving corporate tax cuts in front of them this is. paling to significance with the man from business that we have better arrangements than the no deal there isn't a serious business leader with that money who is. agreeing with the position

of a no deal so it's counted today their constituency base it's it's it's federal have an emotional it is not here that i spread by or irrational xenophobia out there is no logical conclusion other than to this particular really majorly election of course we have to get a hard break gentlemen and after that hard break we'll continue our discussion on bojo and regs and stay with. them on the sounds of an mit grown man mislead essentially.

was that away from the officers. of his group. the obvious or did they kind of lunge for the web in one smiths and they would have been done treece one and i didn't i never saw any contact with. any kind of went back to where they were so the answers back here there again 15 feet apart at this point and that's when the officer is gone even beyond 3. what politicians do something to. put themselves on the line to get accepted or rejected. so when you want to be president. or some want to. have to go right to be cross as a white woman for 3 of them or 10 people that i'm interested in holes in the lives of our. first city.

of.

me. so. it's just so costs. and very well can see you watching us and see us. need to call tony. i'm a little but i think you might. get one. body. on

this. trip and i don't want that for a case that's funny as i knew she was going to the outcome of tonight yeah i am question. you could be in bed and have a chicken does. a female to move a little the one that young enough to feel proud of the. show it's the same for all but old roles just don't hold. any new world just to shape out just a bit comes to educate and in gauge equals betrayal. when

so many find themselves worlds apart. choose to look for common ground. welcome back to crossfire were all things were considered peter lavelle reminder we're discussing bojo and breaks it. ok let's go back to mark here i still haven't gotten an answer to my question how is boris johnson going to achieve this if he's going to achieve it now i mention with lee. rules ok that's one way hard brags that ok but which all agreement is off the table because it was already down 3 times and humiliated a prime minister ok so can you tell me what the 3rd very into is here does he know and if he does know what he can't support a friend of ok well i would get the. last you got you got ahead of me on that one

let me go to mark. you got me on that one ok go ahead mark. well there is word that there's a certain amount of discussion going on about changing the withdrawal agreement that relates to the backstop which were to really put a border between northern and northern of the republic of ireland of actually having the kind of border between the e.u. and the bulk of britain having more on the irish sea in other words changing the buck stop problem to a kind of an island problem there's all these johnson is very keen on a logical changes. we're now 50 years on putting a man in the moon but we can't sort out these arrangements regarding the movement of goods surely human ingenuity in this new optimistic here of jobs soon is and we should be able to find

a solution to that really i think the only thing. the only thing on offer is sheer force of personality plus a certain my. to blackmail i wonder if mr johnson is going to even though the you are quite happy that the divorce settlement $39000000000.00 i believe that that's going to be paid over years rather than all at once perhaps some threat to look at that again and whittle down that figure he's hoping that through really psychological. that. you could change the deal it sounds like black magic that black magic your dad actually i don't get the token solitaires ok let me go back to the game here i like it now we're finally getting to the point of this whole debate here and to see ok well fine ok but fantasy doesn't get the fantasy doesn't usually have much to do with policy or good policy that is here james james said the general election that's been it's in the offering

here general election. there's a general election before all of the well it doesn't have to be there's no real precedent for that. parliament probably can't stop them being. stopped us leaving on. about what we. call recall and no deal or you know anymore anyway because. we've sorted out a lot of. bilateral trade deals with a number of countries like norway and south korea and in the last couple years that's not it's not losing interest that we're nowhere near salting out trade deals with any companies we've got preliminary agreements top further discussions there's still some probably stand still since i'm not the point is that there are a number of labor. you are. maybe 10 or 20 who go against their own and most of the government or certainly we're. on an

emotion that will actually wreck everybody selected in the run up to a general election. and then you can also have a media selected as we speak. and that. is. the labor party although it nearly going down you're going down a path that i think it's really important here let me go back to mark in lancaster how have both parties made major parties fared through all of this here because boris johnson has the opportunity to bring some unity to the tories but what about labor because labor has been very well it's been waffling a lot on this here but i and i suppose if i was jeremy carbon i would do the same thing watch your opponents destroy themselves and that's one political tactic here but how both parties have been very damaged i think you could say through this entire process go ahead mark. yes well they'll be an awful lot of mainstream labor politicians who are just tearing their hair out at the moment this is

a god sent opportunity for any credible party of opposition and labor is in its own internal chaos and if it wasn't for the fact you could say the internal chaos is about very different issue of allegations of anti-semitism but it's in chaos over breakfast as well and mr coleman has been dragged kicking and screaming to a position which sounds a bit more like remain but he doesn't sound at all sincere on this and that's because he has a birth certificate so you have a party that should be ready to cash in having been converted to pro european ways in the 1980 s. that far back it's now divided again just at the moment when it needs to be united and the beneficiary of this is the liberal democrats the one thing i would say that's really dangerous for the cities in the johnson camp is that where ours the party and the conservative party there's absolutely no love lost the tall and that vote is likely to be split if they do face off in a general election i have

a very strong hunch that the remain camp is going to be a lot more efficient in a general election that's ensuring that the city with the best chance of winning will succeed in various constituencies so a general election is something that the conservatives may have a very mixed feelings about labor i'm afraid they should be just looking at it is an open goal but the chances are under mr coburn's leadership whatever his virtues that they would blaze the ball over that open goal and the british politics would just be completely chaotic and unstable into the foreseeable future ok we have both parties failed the the electorate because they voted to leave ok and parliament and both parties have failed to execute on the people's will here and so this is really the crux of it for me too i mean i'm kind of big gnostic about it but i believe in democracy ok it was a vote at all. winning clear and it was decisive ok for a large campaign like that so i think it's really incumbent upon them because if

they can't get a deal through then they've failed the people and that is a very good that will damage the the belief people have in the political system and it's pretty damaged right now all through the western world what can bore us johnson do to turn that around beyond being optimistic which i guess we all want to feel optimistic but i don't see how that it moves the needle at all go ahead. you know the only realistic optimism is an incredibly dangerous character if speak to have when you're playing high stakes politics is soon you have a greater control over external inventus then you then you do not you have talents which you do not have. and they can be absolutely catastrophic i think it poses an existential challenge to both parties that he's absolutely clear i'm neither. labor all tory have really taken the opportunity to borrow their strategic position

that would benefit them but also align fully with the interests of the country labor's prevaricated too much it is armed and it's not been clear in its messaging and i couldn't stand the frustration in the party i think when we come to a general election the question is going to be binary what is going to be pro bricks or bricks and i said good position for labor to be in even if they lose the election because even if they lose a general election if we come out of european union without a deal so it will be the recession and the economic impact that the tide of popular opinion will turn when people feel in their pockets we could be in for another general election much sooner than people think so either you seem porton for labor to stick to a principled position and the fact is you can't extricate yourself from a 60 year relationship with a european union that has got by his untiring levels of bureaucracy legislation and

policy and simply got to work in part to get it together and fix that and resolve it overnight it takes decades to unravel that european union relationship. i don't see anybody being able to do that any time soon ok james you have talked about labor and we've talked about the tories how does the brig's in party play into this because they really kind of. a dramatic arrival on the scene here what you all can they play in all of this here and can the tories in the in the breaks of party work together i mean i would be a very interesting combination. well nigel farage is brought down to tory prime minister and that's a resume. and this is why. someone who at least sounds like. right now it's tories and the brits the maid and the lecturer of the law and it would be a joke if you have a local organization. and you. like

. i don't like. about the environment. there's only one way is a big debate here and i get here and. i love this is just this judge has already announced a visit by a boat a potties further on she's a wonderful young you know carried on you know as i recall that just as opposed to the post-modernism in late nights postmodernism absolutely baby. so we possibly have seen the mess they've gotten sounds into it and they're seeing it now labor's policy is not they don't know what the problem is. you sure go big on that as you said and you said well it's told me. that kaberle grazing were moved out by by farache i think farache i think i think that boris has moved to the right to compensate for farache is going to you could never move to the right hard enough for some of these people and i think the i.g.

. art will do for boris as they did from a camera ok let me go tomorrow let me go to mark shane and i want to go to mark mark is going to finish it out for us here how does this all and mark is are going to be. transparent here it's a trail of tears ok how is it all and i mean we have where we have 99 days and a lot of optimism how does it all end mark go ahead. well if you look at about 1st of all i'd say napoleon where he lives today be very flattered to be compared to nigel for. i think if we talk about this 99 day thing to paraphrase t.s. eliot this is the way the british politics basically the pieces smash in reassemble not with a whimper which it was in a way and to reason maybe but with the back and say this is bringing all these underlying things to the surface you could say if you think that remain is the right option this is

a chance to lance the boil of this and this and to european sentiments and to actually get britain into a more realistic course in the world equally by sheer force of will and also the very interesting populist measures of mr johnson on the domestic front is suggesting sorting out care for the elderly getting rid of all sterrett see all these kind of things which have lasting money problems if this kind of thing is is going to be a no ok i have to jump in here to get we've all run out of time here he's going to have to solve all problems at the same time many thanks to my guests in london lancaster and in plymouth and thanks to our viewers for watching us here darkie see you next time remember.

the financial times today was all about money laundering 1st to visit the school should this be different. this is a good start well we have our 3 banks all set up something in your something in america something overseas using the cayman islands it will hold these banks are complicit in the kleptocracy we just have to deal with all it's a need to do some serious money laundering ok let's see. we did well we got a nice watch for max and for. jewelry. for you know what money. watch guy's record. why a paradise with some ground turned into a round the experimentation field but agricultural chemicals we know that these chemicals have consequences they are major irritants there's no question otherwise

why would that the chemical company workers themselves be geared up and suited up locals attempt to combat the on regulated experiments that often in day you have many of these people one foot into the biotech pharma and the other foot in the government regulatory bodies this kind of collusion is reprehensible while the battle goes on the chemicals continue to poison hawaii and its people so one has to ask the question whether there is a form of environmental research going on in hawaii whether these companies feel they can get away with this because the people have less political power. no 0. 000.

that there's. you're. in the headlines it's late monday morning from moscow the french president bush's political maneuvering over the weekend took the leaders of the g. 7 by surprise he invited the radian foreign minister to the g. 7 summit for prices to tell you that. radical new rules are in full suit google with the tech type of telling employees now not to engage in political debate it would be the family of a pretty stupid.